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Things A Home Inspector Should Never Say On A Report

By
Home Inspector with Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC 3380-000723

I got a call from a disturbed Realtor not long ago saying he had had an inspection on a listing and thought there might be things a home inspector should never say on a report.

His call was asking if these things were appropriate and what could be done about them. 

"What things?", I asked.  This is a very large house and only fourteen years old.

He began reading from the report.  After each point he asked me what my thoughts were.

1.  "On houses this size and quality I have seen slate roofs."   My answer was, "So?"  And I have seen houses with metal roofs.  What does that mean?  Can the structure there even support slate?  Probably not.  I said the comment was out of line, and outside anything any home inspector association suggests a report should say.

2.  "This house is so large I think it needs 9 HVAC units.  There are only 7."  My answer was, "How does he know that?"  HVAC needs are not simple to calculate.  A house this size would demand a computer calculation.  In the olden days the rule of thumb used to be 1 ton of HVAC unit for every 750 square feet of house.  Or something around that.  This is no more.  Today we have higher ceilings, bigger (and better) windows and doors, more square feet of "open" area, and so forth.  The need calculation depends on such things as cubic area in square feet, linear length and size of HVAC ducts, numbers of windows, U-factors of those windows based on the sides of the houses they are placed on, number and placement of registers, and much, much more.  It is a hugely difficult problem.  Nobody, not even a home inspector, could possibly make that statement, but especially on a home inspection report.  I said the comment was out of line, and outside anything any home inspector association suggests a report should say.

3.  "The electric panel boxes are old and should be brought up to modern code."  I have no idea what he means by this.  The electrical is not "old," it might not have a modern twist like AFCI breakers, but there is no demand that panels be brought up to meet the latest requirements unless some changes have been made that demand it.  If that was the case people would be changing the electrical in their houses every year.  The National Electric Code can make as many as 1000 changes or so from year to year, and can revamp completely every three or so.  Electricians could NEVER keep up with it all working daily from house to house, much less homeowners knowing what would have to be done!  I said the comment was out of line, and outside anything any home inspector association suggests a report should say.

4.  "The front stoop has settled and needs to be lifted up to meet County code."  This is Northern Virginia!  Most stoops have settled a bit!  Some much worse than others to be sure, but I don't know what County code demands about that, and certainly don't know why the home inspector is telling people what to do with their houses.  When I asked how much it had settled he said about 1".  I said the comment was out of line, and outside anything any home inspector association suggests a report should say.

Asking me what could be done, I suggested he ask the inspector his association membership number and call them asking if this is what they require of their home inspectors.  (I know they do not require this sort of thing.)  I suggested he file a complaint.  Tell them I said the comments were out of line, and outside anything any home inspector association suggests a report should say.

Subsequent visits by the contractually-required professionals revealed that the roof was in good shape and structurally could not support slate, the HVAC might be able to get away with only six units (!) so the seven were just fine, the electrical comment was ridiculous and the County said they had no such front stoop requirement.

My recommendation:  a home inspector's job is to observe and report.  Saying what kind of roof is present and its condition is really the only relevant information a home inspector report should contain.  Good commentary on a report NEVER hurts.  In my opinion the home inspector on this house was OUT OF LINE, and said things on the report outside anything any home inspector association suggests a report should say.

 

 

 

Posted by

Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC  

Based in Bristow, serving all of Northern Virginia.

Office (703) 330-6388   Cell (703) 585-7560

www.jaymarinspect.com


Comments(64)

Patricia Kennedy
RLAH@properties - Washington, DC
Home in the Capital

Oh, Jay!  This is why I love to have you do my home inspections.  You'll never put anything stupid or gauche in a report.

Mar 25, 2013 11:06 AM
Linda Greco Rich, ABR, SRES
Exit Preferred Realty - Bel Air, MD
Harford County Specialist

Dreaded words from a buyer..."I don't want you to recommend an inspector" I spent 3 hours at a home inspection once with a guy who did inspections part time...he was so paranoid that he inspected the house twice and wrote the craziest things!

Mar 25, 2013 11:52 AM
Joan Whitebook
BHG The Masiello Group - Nashua, NH
Consumer Focused Real Estate Services

Jay -- we need a clone here in So. New Hampshire.  We have some good home inspectors, but every once and awhile we run into someone like the one you evaluated.

Mar 25, 2013 12:26 PM
Tammie White, Broker
Franklin Homes Realty LLC - Franklin, TN
Franklin TN Homes for Sale

Jay, how I wish you were in my market. I recently got an inspector who said moisture was detected around the toilets. The buyer requested all the rings be replaced. We agreed but when the plumber came out, there wasn't any moisture. I was there and witnessed it but once the toilets were off we had to replace the ring. Not sure what the problem was but it wasn't due to a leak of any type.

Mar 25, 2013 12:43 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Well, thanks Pat.  And I hope I never do too!

Linda - part time?  Why did they pick him?

Joan - I am sure they are in every market.  I think there are over 100 home inspectors in Northern Virginia.

It might be because the cleaned the bathrooms that morning Tammie.  Typically moisture around a toilet is isolated to a single area, so if it was all around it probably wasn't any leaking.  The fix was like killing an ant with a hammer.

Mar 25, 2013 07:34 PM
James Dray
Fathom Realty - Bentonville, AR

Jay that is a list of things one might not want to say for sure.  I wonder how long this person has been doing inspections and he (she) may need to go back for some more training. 

Mar 25, 2013 07:53 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

They would not give me his name James.  Maybe they thought I would go after him and his association.

Mar 25, 2013 08:25 PM
Donald Hester
NCW Home Inspections, LLC - Wenatchee, WA
NCW Home Inspections, LLC

Jay, He used that four letter word that will get almost every inspector to go bonkers ;)  As for opinion we all use opinion we just hope it is professional opinion ;)

Mar 26, 2013 12:02 AM
Lori Fishkind
Reliant Realty - Franklin, TN
Realtor

I think that observations are important.  Personal opinion on matters outside their scope, not so much.  Opinions should be limited to recommendations on further inspection, if the buyer deems it necessary.

 

For example, your HVAC situation.  The inspector *may* have an opinion on the adequacy of the HVAC system(s), but truly, that should be limited to an observation/comment with a recommendation that the HVAC system be inspected by a licensed HVAC company.  Since he is NOT a licensed HVAC professional, his *opinion* on the adequacy of the system should not come into play.

I like professional, straight forward inspectors that state the facts.  I dislike inspectors who are alarmists, and create drama every step of the way.

Mar 26, 2013 12:58 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

You mean slate Don?  That has five letters.  Opinions matter, but it depends on which we offer!  That's totally clear, right?

Oh, maybe "code...?"

Lori - you hit a nail that most inspectors would agree with!  There are a few alarmists out there though.  This guy's HVAC opinions were lunacy.

Mar 26, 2013 07:35 AM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

Interesting. I do agree this inspector has made comments that are ridiculous, as you point out. However I somewhat disagree with your statement;

"outside anything any home inspector association suggests a report should say."

In the context of what this inspector said, yes that is fairly accurate, in a broader sense, I think much less so. The SoP, which every one the inspector chooses to or must follow, is the minimum, as I know that you are aware. The SoP is also deliberately vague to allow for latitude in reporting.  I certainly can report on the all of the things this inspector chose to make comments on, there is nothing that says I can not. That it is forbidden. Of course this inspector will find doing business and keeping business very difficult. 

Over the years, I see that many inspectors seem to fail to understand the role they play. It has been a learning experience for me. It still is. We are there to infom our clients and protect their interest through accurate and unbiased information. We can not make up their minds for them, as they so often ask us to do. We can only provide the tools to that end. 

Mar 26, 2013 10:43 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

The key word is "suggest," Jim.  And yes, it's a learning experience.  I agree - any inspector can say anything.  But no inspector is an island and silly comments reflect on everyone.  Have you ever said, "I have seen a different roof on this kind of house" before?  It's silly.  And outside of anything an association would suggest be said on a report.

Mar 26, 2013 11:04 PM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

My point is that associations and SoPs do not make suggestions on how or what we say. Which is a good thing. SoP defines on what must be minimally inspected and reported. I also agree that these types of things reflect on all of us. This inspector will not be in business long. 

Mar 27, 2013 05:27 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

I understood your point to be that I was wrong to say that these kinds of comments were "outside anything any home inspector association suggests a report should say."  I still think they are.  No association would suggest such comments are okay or anything of the sort.  Nor would they suggest these are simply opinions and that any opinion is okay.  These are just silly statements.  Stupid would not be far off.

This particular inspector is infamous.  I get calls from realtors about him often.  This post was because of two calls I got back to back the same week.

He has been around a long time, is a huge ASHI advocate and trashes anyone not so affiliated.  You cannot talk with him, he is so arrogant.  Between you and me, he is the reason I have not joined ASHI.  It seems too militant an organization for me.  Does ASHI suggest these kinds of comments be made?  No.  Does it say it's alright?  Of course not.  Do I think ASHI has meetings making suggestions as to what should and should not go on reports?  No.  But these comments meet no SOP.

But, as I say, nobody is an island and this stupidity, unfortunately, reflects on others.  Even me.

 

Mar 27, 2013 05:51 AM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

Amazing he is still in business. I can see why you get calls. It must frustrate the people involved in the deals he inspects. I do certainly agree no association, no reasonable person would endorse such commments. Stupid is, I think, a fair assessment of his reporting style. 

Mar 27, 2013 07:01 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Now, My Best Pen Pal's Dad, if I was up near you and you were the Pres, I would consider ASHI!  But not here.

Mar 27, 2013 07:06 AM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

Sorry, my term was up almost two years ago :( You'd like our group. Great bunch, no egos. We have a lot fun!

Mar 27, 2013 07:11 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

I think the group members are relevant to who joins and does not join.  Too bad.  There are those who think if you aren't ASHI connected you aren't "certified!"  That's called "good press!"

Mar 27, 2013 07:16 AM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

I've been certifiable for years ;)

Mar 27, 2013 07:21 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

We all have our niche!

Mar 27, 2013 07:41 AM