... how it is affecting the overall economy.  This is a great post, but I will admit it is pretty deep.. not casual reading.  Matt Heaton might like it (agreeing or disagreeing... I think he will like the depth).  Here are a few excerpts, but I would recommend visiting the post and reading it in its entirety:

I mean, why else would the Fed so aggressively and so suddenly attempt to stimulate the economy with excessive monetary ease and advocate swift and decisive government intervention with fiscal stimulus? Do you think they don't know the moral hazards of what they are doing? What is at stake here are the risks of another debt-deflation spiral like we had in the 1930's and therein lies their concerns. Even if they won't speak it, others are beginning to.

Consider this if you will:  "In the fourth quarter of 2007, new foreclosures averaged 2,939 a day, double the pace of a year earlier. In the 1930s, lenders were seizing homes at an average rate of 3,000 a day, adjusted for today's housing stock size,"  according to RealtyTrac Inc.,

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If the median home price declines anywhere near 25%, this could spell B-I-G  T-R-O-U-B-L-E for the U.S. economy. "Keep in mind, says Merrill's Rosenberg, that the relatively puny price decline to date has already pushed home-loan delinquencies to their highest level in 20 years."

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Laissez-Faire Economists of the 1930's
Elaborating on the solutions attempted by the government and Federal Reserve during the 1930's Freidrich Hayek observed that, "To combat the depression by a forced credit expansion is to attempt to cure the evil by the very means which bought it about- because we are suffering from a misdirection, we want to create further misdirection....We must not forget that for the last six to eight years monetary policy all over the world has followed the advise of the 'stabilisers.' It is high time that their influence which has already done enough harm should be overthrown." - Monetary Theory and the Trade Cycle circa 1933

A century before Von Mises, Ropke, and Hayek, there was John Stuart Mill, another laissez-faire proponent who held the opinion that "in all the more advanced communities, the majority of things are worse done by the intervention of government than the individuals most interested in the matter would do them, or cause them to be done, if left to themselves." - Principles of Political Economy, circa 1848

Modern Day Laissez-Faire
Echoing Wilhelm Ropke of yesteryear is Pimco's Mark Kiesel who has recently been quoted as saying that "rescuing borrowers will only worsen the economic misery for everyone. Keeping the market from correcting itself only prolongs the problem....The housing market will find its own bottom, without a government bailout." Kiesel is suggesting that market forces today are akin to the debt-deflationary spiral of the 1930's and that they are simply far more powerful than any interventionists measures can hope to achieve.
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"Because, Gross goes on to say, demand in the form of consumption has been artificially and fictitiously stimulated in recent years by financial engineering run amuck, there is a legitimate question as to whether its black hole imploding destructiveness can be totally countered with another dose of lower yields and deficit spending packages. The $150 billion "return to sender" deficit plan advanced by Bush and the Congress, for instance, amounts to just 1% of GDP and is of marginal benefit to long-term prosperity…

The U.S. needs a Krugman "demand-based" fiscal package alright, but a $300-$500 billion permanent one,  because as the system of modern day levered shadow finance slows to a crawl or even contracts at the edges, its ability to systemically fertilize economic growth must be called into question. To provide a stable recovery path, government spending needs to fill the gap - not consumption. Public works programs, badly needed infrastructure repairs, as well as spending on research and development projects should form the heart of our path to recovery. 

This is the comment I left:

Very interesting post.  Admittedly, there is a good bit of it that is above my head since I am not in the world of finance to the same degree.  

One thing did strike me though.  One of the issues that we have seen increasing in the last decades is the increase of debt with decrease of savings.  We are only consumers.  This coupled with the unfriendly climate towards business has led to the US no longer being a destination for business, but just an important market... Offshoring of both profit and operations.  

So, that leads me to wonder if something like the FairTax would strike the right balance.  It would encourage individual savings (making a larger investment pool available) while encouraging business capital investment.  It would also encourage a repatriation of both profits and operations since the corporations wouldn't have either taxes or the costs of determining taxes (and the costs of figuring it out isn't cheap).  

I think that the FairTax bill, as written might actually spur the US economy to a large degree.  Of course, generally when I see the plan criticized, it is modified and then the modifications are criticized (like the President's Advisory Panel on Taxation).  

What do you think?

To really dive into would take more of a wonk than me...  But, I liked the read, if not the details.  I think this is well written and reasonably defended.  Of course, it takes a high octane crystal ball to really know the right path, and I'm afraid that those are all to rare.  Even the people that we look to for predictions can't agree on the direction, much less the amplitude of a solution.

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Lane:  I have a prediction....that while this is a great post, I doubt that very many people comment on it!  The reason that I think this is that I think that most of the folks here on AR, while they are great people, just aren't into the deeper issues involved here.  

As far as the points that were made in that post, I couldn't agree more!  I hope that you don't mind the plug here, but I recently wrote a post called, "No Such Thing As A Free Lunch" (which only got one outside comment, by the way) that went into why I think that the recent rate cuts and the stimulus package were bad things.

Basically, as your quote from 1933 points out, spending is what got us into this mess!  All the rate cuts and the stimulus package are going to do is hurt us in the long haul.  Printing money is NOT THE ANSWER!

I hope that people wake up and realize that fiscal responsibility is important.  More important than getting a $600.00 check in the mail.

Thanks for a thought provoking post!

 

Bob Mitchell

ValueList Real Estate Services, Inc.

 

11:16am • #1
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The whole fallicy is the monetary easing is an attempt by the FED to stimulate the economy.  They are simply following the demand for credit downwards with their monetary easing.  They like to jawbone about economic factors but that really is just a smokescreen to try and influence markets through talk.

The problem is way too big for the government to try and stimulate their way out of.  We've propped everything up for too long, and it's gotta correct.  The true cause of propping wasn't interest rates, but structured finance and deregulation in the banking system that allowed for massive risk taking and leverage to be used.  This in effect created a ton of liquidity in the system, that can evaporate just as fast as it was created.

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Bob - Quite literally, while you were writing your comment, I was commenting on your blog...  I'm not writing this for comments.  I wrote this because I thought it was an interesting subject.  Than kyou for commenting, and I hope a few people drop into the post you highlighted. 

Matt - As I was reading the portion referencing the Fed target rate cuts, I saw a nice little out in there that allows the writer to support your position... that is that the fed was trying to drive down rates.  That is what the jawboning is about.  I agree that the path we have taken to this point has gotten us here and ramping it up isn't likely the best path to try to take to go the other way. 

11:24am • #3
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Lane: Yes, that's how the FED tries to influence rates is through jawboning and talk.  The main source of their power to influence markets comes from the misconception that they control rates.  As far as actually monetary easing or raising of the FED fund target rate they are just following credit demand, nothing more.  

At the point when the FED says "jump" and the markets don't jump that's when the big problem occurrs...

11:38am • #4
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Lane and Matt:  I noticed that about us commenting on each other's post.....what is it that my kids say, "ginx" or something to that effect....I forgot the rest of that game, maybe I can't blog until you give me permission or something??  

Anyway, to comment on Matt's comment, If handled correctly, the Fed does indeed have the power to "control" interest rates in that they really do control the amount of money that is in circulation (at least to a certain degree)  The problem is that this power isn't absolute.  In this case, 7 years of fiscal irresponsibility has painted the fed into a corner.  Right now, all they CAN do is jawbone and pray.

Short term rates could drop to zero and if people are afraid that home prices are going to fall, they ain't going to buy!   This uncertainty in the housing market is what has people freaked.  If the powers that be were to address the housing market's problems though addressing the credit market's mistakes, then a floor could be put under housing prices.  People would feel better about their economic circumstances and would start spending again.  The economy would pick right back up.

I would hope that the powers that be would learn from the experience, but I'm starting to wonder if that is actually a possibility???  

 

Bob Mitchell

ValueList Real Estate Services, Inc. 

11:51am • #5
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Matt - I think we are headed into the area where the market won't jump.  In fact, I think we will need to break out the AED and shock the market.  What do you think about the FairTax?

Bob - Blog away my friend...  The fiscal irresponsibility has lasted well longer than 7 years.  I would say that it is closer to 75 years... and has encompassed Democrat and Republican administrations and Congresses.  There was a small attempt to correct that behavior during the Republican Revolution with Newt Gingrich... but even that was short lived.  However, the responsibility and the willingness of a few Republicans to stand up to Clinton I is what led to the slowing of spending increases for a few years.  Too bad George couldn't find HIS veto pen for six years... because the GOP went drunk and out of control with power when they got the chance.  Of course, in most cases they spent (only slightly) less money than the Democrats wanted to spend.  So, while they were certainly irresponsible with their spending, they were no more irresponsible than the Democrats wanted to be. 

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