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UFF agents....look what you made me do......shouldn't have pushed me....

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Education & Training with Independent Leadership & Financial Fitness Consultant

Those whom read my blog know that I'm not the biggest fan of the Mortgage Merge Account, or what some like to call the Australian Mortgage Acceleration system.  For the last few years I've had wholesale rep's from CMG wholesale and MacQuarie bank explain how some Europeans and Australians manage their mortgages.  But stupid me, I didn't check into these claims and assumed that it was a fact.  After all we don't live in Australia, and for all I know these are legitimate company's, so why would they be telling me a tall tail.

Now comes United First Financial, Sydney Financial and a slew of other programs that are now singing the song of mortgage acceleration.  It's fresh, it's what the Europeans do!  One UFF agent has told me that 1/2 of all Australians have these accounts.  

Alright everyone, guess what?  Yep....it's not even close to true.  In fact if you take some time and look it up on Google or Yahoo, you'll soon find information that proves these debt reducer programs are actually frowned on in Australia and they are little more then HYPE!

Check out this article for a start, Mortgage Reduction Scam 

These are not my words, as you can see from the article, it's the estimation of the Australian equivalent of the better business bureau.  Well hold on there Mr..where are the case studies, there in the PDF link, just read them!

What's really scary is that in Australia they charge $5000 for these programs, and they are not just sold through MLM's or direct sales groups, but they're sold over the phone by telemarketing groups.  Thank goodness for the Do not call list, but you can see the writing on the wall everyone. 

One other thing to remember if your in the mortgage industry.  Read the PDF, because it leaves no doubt that mortgage agents in general are not in on this scam.  The Australian mortgage industry is intelligent enough to stay out of this mess.  Unfortunately their U.S. counterparts are turning out to not be as wise.  What is really telling is that this consumer group recommends that borrowers consult with trained financial professionals.  In other words, they don't advise neighbors, friends, or family to sell mortgage reduction plans.

Now why didn't we think of that? 

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Jeff Belonger
Social Media - Infinity Home Mortgage Company, Inc - Cherry Hill, NJ
The FHA Expert - FHA Loans - FHA mortgages - USDA loans - VA Loans

Karl... I also dislike these programs....  I can still show the client other safe vehicles to grow their money. Besides, the one negative thing about these types of programs is that you need to be disciplined.   Gee, what happened to the Pay Option Arms?  No discipline. There is a person that loves these money merge accounts, but she hates the pay option arm..   I am sorry, it works along the same lines. They are just blinded by the initial program, because how it works. Hell, anyone can plug in an extra $2,000 a month and pay off a mortgage in half the time. They tell you that you need to keep your residual money in there as long as possible. What they fail to tell you is that if you take it all out even by the end of the month, that the program won't work. I could be here forever.

Let me leave these so-called professionals with this thought....  check back with me in 2 years from now. As many know, I hate using the word guarantee... but I guarantee these loans will be in the US headlines as negativity, just as the pay option arms, 4 years later after flooding the market.

Oh yea... sorry.... but I didn't have time to post what you did... I found out about some of this news months ago, on how most people overseas don't have this program. It's been part of their marketing tool here in the US>...  people just believe what is written on a brochure as a fact, until they actually do the research. Most people don't do the research.... which is another problem and why the US is in a big pickle.

jeff belonger
Feb 07, 2008 11:54 PM
Ron Avneri
Seattle, WA
Financial Professional

I agree Karl, it's not the program though, it's the fact that people don't use them correctly, just as Jeff mentions with the option arm.  This is one of the best programs available (If used responsibly and correctly) I used to live in Australia and I was good with the women, the surf and the politeness and generosity of the people.  If you go there, focus on these things.

Feb 08, 2008 05:56 AM
Whitney Yasso
Sliva Captial - Honolulu, HI

This program is all over Hawaii. Agents on craigslist and every where possible...

Feb 08, 2008 06:11 AM
Richard Sweum
1st Security Bank - Everett, WA

"Can 70% of Australian Homeowners be wrong?"  Why, Yes Virginia...They can!  Remember that many of them a decendants of criminals  (POME's...prisoners of mother England).  

Equity lines have none of the protection measures in tham that amortized FNMA and FHMA do.  Scary.

Feb 11, 2008 05:01 AM
Dan Hartman
Province Mortgage Associates - NMLS #2861 - Providence, RI

I'm seeing substantial growth in the number of people offering this around here, too.  It looks more like the benefits are to the seller than to anyone else considering the number offering it.

Dan

Feb 11, 2008 05:06 AM
Jon Nelson
Nelco Holdings LLC - Eden Prairie, MN

I agree with all of you, in fact it all comes down to EDUCATION!!!! Most Americans need to be educated on finances,debt, and mortgages. The reason we have the problems we do is because people are illiterate when it comes to all this. I have a program with a proven 6 year track record for a FRACTION of the price of UFF that is worth every penny people pay for it. Doesn't cost anymore than an online college course.

Feb 15, 2008 12:33 AM
Anonymous
Mary Anne D.
Watched the Sydney Financial Group videos and I thought the presenter looked a little shady.  Then checed good old Active Rain and found your good post.  Thanks!
Apr 08, 2008 05:52 PM
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Anonymous
Mary Anne D.
Watched the Sydney Financial Group videos and I thought the presenter looked a little shady.  Then checed good old Active Rain and found your good post.  Thanks!
Apr 08, 2008 05:52 PM
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Anonymous
Mary Anne D.

I further looked into this because a mortgage colleague is selling the WEXL plan.  This plan is all over the Internet with many "affiliates" but nothing impartial can be found as of this posting.  Why?  Bcause it turns out that Sydney Financial has reincarnated themselves as WEXL Financial in February of 2008.  I found this by looking up WEXL Financial on the Department of Utah Insurance website, called their phone number and got "The Infinity Group and Sydney Financial."  Wonder why they changed their name?  Caveat Emptor!

May 29, 2008 02:26 PM
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K C
Independent Leadership & Financial Fitness Consultant - Pleasant Grove, UT

Mary Anne,  my understanding is that the program hasn't worked very well.  Problem is that the big money is in writing large EIUL Insurance contracts, and the mortgage reduction program was absorbed into the WEXL Financial program.  But now I've heard that WEXL and Sydney are not getting along.  Now this is just information I've heard from people who are working with their program, who knows for sure what is really going on with that company.  All I know is that UFF has done a much better job, but I'm sure recent mortgage changes haven't been helping their bottom line either.

May 29, 2008 04:33 PM
Richard Byron Smith, NMLS #184479
Mortgage Loan Officer, Fairway Independent Mortgage Corporation NMLS #2289 - Chattanooga, TN
Mortgage Loan Officer

The pdf article seemed to focus on the Money Merge Account software system. What about the CMG Accelerator program or the old MacQuarie program?

I actually think the biggest problem with the software approach is the inital costs? If it were around $500 it would be a good approach for many people. Of course the multi level network marketing would not work at $500 per program.

Richard

May 31, 2008 06:39 AM
Anonymous
Mark

There are none MLM Mortgage Reduction programs that charge less than $700.00. This includes consulting, the software and video tutorials. There's information about this on inlinebusiness.com

Jun 13, 2008 03:44 AM
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Ron Brown NMLS #270845
NMLS ID: 40831 - Federal Way, WA

Just in case anybody still believes these are a product worth investing in, check out the health of Macquarie Mortgage (One of the largest "pushers of these products).  They were forced to leave the US market back in March.  I see a few blogs are still out there SELLING these, and yes they are a sales pitch in my opinion.  False hopes for people who most likely have never had the discipline to save or invest diligently.  I had hopes that those kind of loan officers were working at Burger Express by now.

Ron Brown

First Mortgage Company of Washington

Jul 13, 2008 07:59 AM
Gary Miljour
American Financial Network, Inc. NMLS#207208 - Southern Pines, NC
Mortgage Originator NMLS Licensed in AZ and NC

Karl,

Great Post,

I am just glad that I am surrounded by mortgage professionals that can read between the lines and noticed the dangers. 

Jul 13, 2008 05:12 PM
Patrick Burno
CENTURY 21 - Charlotte, NC

Do me a favor and listen to this audio clip From the Dave Ramsey Show on Fox Business Channel about UFF and this Realtor/UFF Agent that called in. It is sooo funny, dude!   http://a1611.g.akamai.net/f/1611/23575/9h/dramsey.download.akamai.com/23575/audio/mp3/mydrs_blog/07072008_head_to_head.mp3

Mar 11, 2009 07:18 AM
K C
Independent Leadership & Financial Fitness Consultant - Pleasant Grove, UT

Wow....that is some funny stuff!!  Excellent, thanks Patrick!

 

 

Mar 11, 2009 08:30 AM
Anonymous
Tom

You guy's are all full of crap! You are the reason why this country is being duped by mortgage lenders and banks. No wonder we are in a trillion dollar hole.

Jun 02, 2009 12:52 PM
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Ron Brown NMLS #270845
NMLS ID: 40831 - Federal Way, WA

WOW, Go Tom! 

First off, let me say I'm impressed that anybody commented on this thread almost a full year later.

Second, and this is posted directly for you, Tom; way to bring some facts to the debate, you've really enlightened us all!

BTW, Tom - you wouldn't happen to be one of those people pitching these snake oil remedies would you?

(end sarcasm)

Jun 03, 2009 02:50 AM