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Hidden fees for Homebuyers

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Mortgage and Lending with Christensen Financial Mortgage 385907

that's what the headline said.

well I've been a mortgage lender for over 30 years so I was interested in what the hidden fees might be, but what I found out was

there weren't any, still looking

Behind the headline was an article written by Stephen Gandel, Sr. Editor, for CNNMoney.com.

Apparently Stephen felt that the real article entitled

FHA's solvency plan isn't fair

might not draw the attention he wanted, so

well credibility isn't really important anymore, now is it?

so on to the unfairness

what is being questioned here is the FHA's requirement for homebuyers to pay monthly mortgage insurance premiums for the life of the loan. he compares the cost to that of getting a conventional mortgage with a 20% down payment.

on old cliche' here please

that's comparing apples and oranges

the FHA allows a homebuyer to acquire a mortgage with a minimum payment of 3.5%, a credit score of 640 (and in some cases lower), with fairly reasonable ratios, and guidelines. Also the source of the down payment, closing costs, and prepaids may come from a DPA (down payment assistance program), a gift, or the seller may contribute up to 6% of the sales price toward the buyers cost.

there's no comparison to the requirements of a 20% down convention mortgage, the risk is substantially different

and for some reason Stephen feels the cost and terms should be the same. Well I disagree.

Anytime we see a structural change of significance, initially there is some resistance, but upon further examination we realize that the impact may not be as dramatic as originally thought, and/or the change may be necessary.

There was no data provided in the article as to what the average time is that FHA buyers keep their mortgage, to me that might have been helpful. Also, I found it interesting that he stated that with a 5% down payment previously the FHA insurance would be dropped in 7 years.

Now I've done a plethora of FHA mortgages and I can probably count on one hand, and may not need all of my fingers, how many times an FHA buyer made a 5% down payment. Most FHA buyers choose the minimum 3.5% down payment. I mean if he can't get the simple stuff straight maybe he shouldn't have written the article.

Now, as for the premise, as to is it fair?

FHA loans are higher risk, without question, therefore applying different guidelines is okay with me. Also, while that is the guideline today, as anyone who has been involved with FHA buyers knows this guideline may not be forever.

These rules change a lot.

Do we need it at this time?

To keep FHA stable, and a viable alternative going forward it's safe to say we probably do. With these increases the buyers will bear the burden of keeping the program solvent, and not the taxpayers in general.

Personally, I think that's appropriate.

Okay, back to the beginning;

Hidden costs?

doesn't appear to be any. The costs are very much out in the open, for all to see.

Unfair?

I really don't think so, and if you disagree please offer some alternatives, as for the past few years FHA has played a vital roll in financing, as the traditional MI companies backed off, while licking their wounds.

I guess my conclusion would be that it's fair and/or necessary

for now

  

 

 

Roger Stensland
Keller Williams Realty Puget Sound - Maple Valley, WA
Let's Move!

I don't think that the consideration of fair or unfair even comes into it.  It's just business.  Fair or unfair is treating two people who are identical on paper differently.  Now, it this is true, I am sure that a class action law suit is coming down the pike.  Merely, because the rules have changed, does not make it unfair in the same manner that two families that are identical on paper except for their credit scores and spending habits make one able to purchase a home, while the other family can not afford to purchase a new home.  If the one family would change their spending habits, they too could afford to purchase a home.

May 06, 2013 12:42 AM
Dan Hopper
Dan Hopper - Gold Way RE - Westminster, CO
Colorado Broker / Referral Services

When many of these news articles always want to talk about "what is fair", just like "fair taxes".  What is fair to me, may not be fair to the next person... so let's get over that part.  FHA is looking to mitigate the potential loss due to the low down payment.  Many would argue, raise the down payment to 5%, rather than keeping it at 3.5%.  While doing that, keep the MIP down rather than raising that to the 1.35%.  That is a bit high.  So, to address the hidden costs, you are right.... there are none.

May 06, 2013 12:47 AM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

Just what fees are "hidden"??

Mr. Gandel must not have been through a traditional loan application and approval lately. 

May 06, 2013 01:03 AM
Fred Griffin Florida Real Estate
Fred Griffin Real Estate - Tallahassee, FL
Licensed Florida Real Estate Broker

My Acquaintance sells Used Cars.  He will finance to literally anybody.  But what do you think his interest rates are; how fast will he send the Repo Man when that payment is not made, etc. 

     When you take a high-risk (financing used cars, or offering low-down payment FHA Loans) you have to CYA!

May 06, 2013 01:23 AM
Graziella Bruner
NCS Premier Real Estate - Detroit, MI
Associate Broker - Serving Wayne & Oakland County

I would have to agree - What Hidden Fees?  Everything is now on the GFE and its surely on the HUD1 for all parties to see and finalize.

May 06, 2013 01:24 AM
Jay Beckingham
Christensen Financial Mortgage - Port St Lucie, FL
Seniors ROCK!

Roger,

these guidelines will be applied equally across the board to all. therefore fair, correct?

Dan,

I think the low down payment is necessary. just my opinion. is the MIP a little high? probably, but it's a choice.

Lenn,

hidden fees, I don't see any.

with the  HUD GFE's and requirements, if they weren't disclosed I might be required to pay them.

thanks,

jay

May 06, 2013 01:33 AM
Kate McQueen
Realty Associates Texas - Cypress, TX
Tailored service for your real estate needs!

I agree with the posts here concerning "fair." I'm weary of hearing the word.  When I hear the word used in a context such as this, I immediately think that I'm about to hear a juvenile whiner carry on about their woes.  Guidelines are guidelines and are applied in the same way to everyone.

I do have some concerns about the permanent MI in the FHA loan.  I hope to see some alternatives from conventional sources that may attract some of the would be FHA buyers.  With the housing market continuing to stablize in most parts of the country and stricter loan approval guidelines, risk is declining and should open the door for responsible alternatives.

May 06, 2013 01:35 AM
Richie Alan Naggar
people first...then business Ran Right Realty - Riverside, CA
agent & author

There are so many laws regulating this industry that I find it incredible to hide anything. Also, why would you want to?

May 06, 2013 01:55 AM
Jay Beckingham
Christensen Financial Mortgage - Port St Lucie, FL
Seniors ROCK!

Fred,

I agree, the cost is directly related to the risk.

Graziella,

when it comes to MI i'm liable. it's a no tolerance item. so I get it right or I pay

Kate,

I think that we're already seeing alternatives. in florida conventional MI was just not an option for awhile, even now many investors refuse to offer 5% down options, but some do.

Richie,

I'm a disclose and sometimes overdisclose kind of guy. i'd rather have clients needed less $$$ at closing, certainly not more.

thanks all,

 

jay

May 06, 2013 02:11 AM
Steven Cook
No Longer Processing Mortgages. - Tacoma, WA

Jay -- this is a great article about how someone who apparently does not know the business is trying to make things "fair" in their view.  I wonder if by "fair" he means everyone should be treated alike?  If so, maybe we can't let him make that big down payment - so he gets to pay the MI also?  BTW -- my systems are showing that the continuing MIP for FHA will raise the APR about 0.5%. Not hidden, but higher.

May 06, 2013 03:40 AM
Harry F. D'Elia III
WEDO Real Estate and Beyond, LLC - Phoenix, AZ
Investor , Mentor, GRI, Radio, CIPS, REOs, ABR

Home buyers continue to need further education when it comes to loan costs. There have many changes over the last few years. Disclose

May 06, 2013 07:13 AM
Jay Beckingham
Christensen Financial Mortgage - Port St Lucie, FL
Seniors ROCK!

Steven,

no doubt the cost has increased. I don't think it's dramatic, and at this time we do not know how many people will actually be affected by the lifetime MI, but we do know the program is still there for them to use if they need it.

Harry,

I teach an affordable housing homebuyers course. it is required for Florida bond and similar assistance programs. We encourage the Realtors to send all of their buyers, but...

thanks,

jay

May 06, 2013 07:23 AM
Kim & Kristine Halverson
Sotheby's & Knipe ERA - Bend, OR
Sisters, Realtors

Jay, good to know there is not hidden costs.  Thanks, Kristine

May 06, 2013 08:42 AM
Brian Sharkey
SharkeyRE LLC - Singer Island, FL
SharkeyRE

Very interesting post, this was a good read.  Thank You for sharing.

Thanks,

Brian Sharkey

Jun 29, 2013 03:40 AM
Jay Beckingham
Christensen Financial Mortgage - Port St Lucie, FL
Seniors ROCK!

Kristine,

everything's pretty much out in the open, especially if you have a quality mortgage rep.

Brian,

 

thanks for the kind words.

I'm moving in your direction, looks like Port St Lucie.

jay

 

Jun 29, 2013 04:00 AM