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What Are The FHA Guidelines On Cesspools?

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Mortgage and Lending with George Souto NMLS #65149 FHA, CHFA, VA Mortgages NMLS #65149

This past weekend I got a phone call from a friend who is an out State Realtor, with a question on What Are The FHA Guidelines On Cesspools?  She had a listing on a property with a cesspool, and a Buyer who wanted to purchase the property with an FHA Loan.  However, the Buyer's Realtor was insisting that FHA would not do a Mortgage on a property with a cesspool. I don't recall ever doing a mortgage for a Borrower purchasing a property with a cesspool, so that meant I had to do a little homework so that I could give her a correct answer on What Are The FHA Guidelines On Cesspools?

To my surprise FHA does not really have a guideline that is specific to cesspools, but instead has a catch all guideline that covers all septic & odd ball sewage systems in general.  The FHA Guideline basically states that properties that cannot connect to a public system, and are serviced by an individual sewage system that is ACCEPTABLE to their local Health Department, the system is then also ACCEPTABLE to FHA. 

As I stated previously this is a catch all guideline, so it includes numerous types of sewage systems such as:

  • Engineered septic systems
  • Cesspools
  • Privies (out houses)
  • Mound systems. 

Also an individual sewage system inspection is only required if:

  • The Appraiser sees evidence of a possible system failure.
  • If it is mandated by State or local Jurisdictions.
  • If it is customary to the area, or
  • At the request of the Lender.

Should a sewage system inspection be required, the appraiser will condition for the sewage system to be inspected by:

  • The local Health Department or Authority
  • A licensed Sanitarian, or
  • An individual determined to be qualified by a DE Underwriter, and
  • A certification that the system is operating satisfactorily.

NOTE:  If the property is serviced by an individual sewage system, and the water source is a Well, the individual sewage system MUST be 100 feet from the Well.

Even though the above Are The FHA Guidelines On Cesspools, Investors may have overlays that WILL NOT allow for properties to have individual sewage systems, such as cesspools.  Therefore, Borrowers should check with the Lender that they are obtaining a mortgage from to see if that Lender or their Investors, have overlays pertaining to individual sewage systems, which would prevent them from approving a mortgage.  

 

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Comments (34)

Michael Blue
Home Smart Realty West - Encinitas, CA
REALTOR - 760-889-8877, Encinitas/Carlsbad
I saw a movie in the 1970s with people wading in a cesspool searching for money planted to see how far people will go for money.
May 30, 2013 02:42 AM
George Souto
George Souto NMLS #65149 FHA, CHFA, VA Mortgages - Middletown, CT
Your Connecticut Mortgage Expert

Ed, Oooooch that is a hefty price tag.  I have yet to run into one, and between you and I, I hope I don't run into one in the future.

Bill, nope not my loan, was just providing the FHA Guidelines to an AR Friend.  The next hurdle is the local health codes, some will continue to allow for the cesspool to continue and some will not if there is going to be a transfer of title.  Once you clear those two hurdles then you have to pray that the Lender/Investor will accept it.  It is not easy but the FHA Guidelines do allow them.  I did not check into the USDA Mortgage so thanks for that info.

Michael that plan would have to have a hole lot of money in order for me to even start to consider doing something like that ........ LOL

 

May 30, 2013 02:56 AM
Debb Janes
Nature As Neighbors - Camas, WA
Put My Love of Nature At Work for You

Great information George. I just had to educate myself regarding Grinder Pumps - a unit that macerates and lifts the sewage to a pipe to the public system.

Being up to speed, on all systems house related - and loan related is critical to being a well-rounded real estate pro. Thanks for the FHA information.

May 30, 2013 03:27 AM
Annette Thor
Connecticut Homes and Commercial Fairfield Cty,CT reinct.com - Westport, CT
Residential & Commercial Real Estate Broker in CT

George A home with a cess pool tells me the home's hardly been updated in 100 yrs, I'd see it as an encumbrance to sale of the home.

May 30, 2013 04:38 AM
George Souto
George Souto NMLS #65149 FHA, CHFA, VA Mortgages - Middletown, CT
Your Connecticut Mortgage Expert

Debb we all need to keep on educating ourselves, there is always something new to learn.  Grinder pumps I am familiar with.  In my town they have used them where there isn't sewer line on the street, but the properties are within a distance that can be reached by a grinder pump.  The big thing with the grinder pumps are loss of power ..... not good :)

Annette like I said in the blog and in a couple of the comments, I have not run into a property with a cesspool before, so I am not sure what kind of property would still have one.  I would imagine that the property would have been a part of a farm at one point.

May 30, 2013 05:05 AM
Joan Cox
House to Home, Inc. - Denver Real Estate - 720-231-6373 - Denver, CO
Denver Real Estate - Selling One Home at a Time

George, like Judi, I had not heard of cesspools, but Ginny talks about them on occasion.    We have leech fields in rural areas.

May 30, 2013 11:14 AM
Jennifer Fivelsdal
JFIVE Home Realty LLC | 845-758-6842|162 Deer Run Rd Red Hook NY 12571 - Rhinebeck, NY
Mid Hudson Valley real estate connection

George this issue is very relevant to my market place.   It is important to have a lender who fully understand this situation.

May 30, 2013 04:41 PM
George Souto
George Souto NMLS #65149 FHA, CHFA, VA Mortgages - Middletown, CT
Your Connecticut Mortgage Expert

Joan, I have not run into them here in Connecticut, even though I know that we have them.  They seem to be more common in Upper State NY.

Jennifer as I just commented to Joan, cesspool seem to be much more common where you are than where I am, so I would imagine that making sure you have a Lender that will follow the FHA Guideline would be very important.

May 30, 2013 05:30 PM
Paul Silver
Tiverton, RI
Rhode Island full service real estate firm

We have a town in aour service area that has been scheduled to get sewers installed, but the delays keep adding on time, and so it is now becoming a real issue as to what to do with old cesspools... the State wants all replacede with septics, but with the coming of sdewers, the expense is high, and then will have to be upgraded in any event when sewers do in fact come to town... a real issue...

May 30, 2013 11:30 PM
Dorte Engel
RE/MAX Leading Edge - Bowie, MD
ABC - Annapolis, Bowie, Crofton & rest of Maryland

Dear George,

Although I have heard of cesspools, I did not realize that people still use them. Having lived in the country, I have come across some of the other systems (including composting systems), but never a cesspool. How interesting.

May 30, 2013 11:55 PM
George P. Cruz Sr.
Premier Brokers International - Port St Lucie, FL
PSL FL CDPE, TRC, CIPS

Thanks for the definition of cesspools..

 

 

 

 

 

 

May 31, 2013 12:09 AM
Mickey Hayward
Sunset Properties, Hayward Realty - Onley, VA
Farm - Land - Home Sales & Commercial Real Estate

George - I run into this all the time since I live in a rural area and sell farms.  It's becoming a huge issue in the Chesapeake Bay watershed of Maryland.  There are all types of systems now and many carry huge price tags.  I always suggest a Sewage Disposal System inspection (regardless of loan type) and 99% of the time buyers have one done.  There used to be a "Dye" test where an inspector put, usually blue, dye in the toilet bowls and flush the toilets, then look for blue coloration on the ground.  Most often, now, the entire tank portion of the system is dug up and exposed for leakage and the drain fields (if there are any) are sampled for coloration of the soils to insure proper functioning.  FHA is usually ok if the system passes the inspection.  Good post. 

May 31, 2013 01:32 AM
Ric Mills
Keller Williams Southern Az - Tucson, AZ
Integrity, Honesty, and Vast Real Estate Knowledge

Great post and as you found out there is no right answer.  We have to have all "alternative" systems checked and certified with each sale.  The seller in most cases is responsible for this cost.

May 31, 2013 01:49 AM
Ginny Gorman
RI Real Estate Services ~ 401-529-7849~ RI Waterfront Real Estate - North Kingstown, RI
Homes for Sale in Southern RI and beyond

Another great piece of advice George...asked that again recently of a lender.

May 31, 2013 02:35 AM
Doug Kaller
Academy Mortgage, Reno, NV - Reno, NV

 

Thank you for the well written post. Cesspools and Septic’s are common in rural areas. Agents always call prior to an offer when the home is not connected to the city sewer system. An inspection is only required if either the appraiser or home inspector notes a problem in his report. The seller usually is responsible for the cost of pumping and often pays for the inspection. A cesspool or septic has never prevented me from doing a loan.

 

May 31, 2013 03:16 AM
Cynthia Larsen
Cotati, CA
Independent Broker In Sonoma County, CA

We sell homes here with cesspools with no problem. They are common in the rural west side of my county. We call them "redwood boxes" since most are lined with redwood which is also common here. Enjoyed your post, thank you.

May 31, 2013 04:42 AM
Sandra Paulow
Aspen Properties, Inc. - Pinetop Lakeside, AZ
REALTOR, Associate Broker, GRI, SFR

I haven't heard that term in years!  We deal with a lot of septic tanks but a cesspool isn't something I had even thought about.  Bet there are some around here though since we still have a few places with outhouses too. 

May 31, 2013 06:47 AM
Travis "the SOLD man" Parker; Broker/Owner
Travis Realty - Enterprise, AL
email: Travis@theSOLDman.me / cell: 334-494-7846

This must be "Cesspool Week". There was another article on FHA & Cesspools just a day or so ago here on AR. Anyway, Y'all both wrote pretty much the same, so I can safely assume that the info is accurate!

May 31, 2013 06:55 AM
Marte Cliff
Marte Cliff Copywriting - Priest River, ID
Your real estate writer

Now you've got my curiosity aroused - I'll have to learn the difference between cesspools and septic systems. I live in a rural area, so most homes have septic tanks and drainfields - and they DO have to be at least 100 feet from a well or any "live water."

May 31, 2013 01:12 PM
Bob Miller
Keller Williams Cornerstone Realty - Ocala, FL
The Ocala Dream Team
George we did not think anyone would allow cesspools anymore.
Jun 07, 2013 03:37 AM