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Appraisers - Buy Them One and All? Protection or Prostitution ?

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Real Estate Agent with EXP Realty 414-525-0563 57026-90 Broker

 

homes made of money  Consumers, Realtors, Lenders ...Everyone wants to believe that a appraisal is the protection offered a borrower...a guarantee...a certification...the reality of what a property is REALLY worth...isn't it ?  Isn't it...that the hundreds of dollars that a buyer pays...really the studied document that clearly shows that when compared to other properties in the immediate area...that are similar...or have been adjusted for their differences..it IS the Holy Grail of lending..the Borrower's "guaranty" that they got what they paid for...or in some cases...MORE than they paid for...that is the value of an appraisal.holy grail

      Appraisers are given the offer....they know what the buyer offered the Seller...they know how much the Buyer will finance and how much they put down in cash...and easily determine the "risk ratio" of the bank.  Gone ...for the most part are the days of  No Money Down...Ironic that the government and the rural based government lending program,  is a no money down program (USDA) that still give me goose bumps...and not in a good way.

  pendulum  You hear an echo of complaints about appraisals....the pendulum swings both ways....seemingly without merit.  That is, the appraisal fits the property....because looking long enough, hard enough, far enough, old enough....a property DID really sell for $X....and   whew(!)  now the bank gets the loan. An appraisal is supposed to be protection....for the borrower...the assurance/insurance of property value and not a creative comparison  tailored to meet the numbers presented in the offer.

    What is the remedy ?  Should appraisers not be given the PRICE offered/negotiated and only the inclusions and description which may include things not easily seen ?  Would that change or increase the professional objectivity ?  Vote now with your comments. Not likely that one blog voice will change the system...one candle does break the curse of the darkness....every change starts somewhere.  Amen and Women.

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Sally K. & David L. Hanson, ABR, CDPE, CSS, e-Pro,ILHM, REDS


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Carol Zingone
Berkshire Hathaway Home Services Florida Network Realty - Jacksonville Beach, FL
Global Realtor in Jax Beach, FL - ABR, CRS, CIPS
Interesting...maybe appraisers should not be given the offer, and see what figrue they come up with without a guidepost....
Jun 03, 2013 10:32 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

I have heard from appraisers that they offer a guesstimate and that their price could probably not be defended in court.  Yet it is taken as gospel!

Jun 03, 2013 10:54 PM
Sally K. & David L. Hanson
EXP Realty 414-525-0563 - Brookfield, WI
WI Real Estate Agents - Luxury - Divorce

No price is right Carol....Say Jay...what any of us put in writing...market comps, appraisals, inspections should be able to withstand the legal test it may find necessary...sounds like fodder for another blog !

Jun 03, 2013 10:56 PM
Clint Mckie
Desert Sun Home, commercial Inspections - Carlsbad, NM
Desert Sun Home, Comm. Inspection 1-575-706-5586

Hi Sally and David,

Being an appraiser would not be the job I would like to have. You could get way too many people mad at you in one fail swoop.I think I will stick to just doing inspections. I get in enough trouble , or get blamed for it anyway.

Have a good day in Wisconsin my friends.

Best, Clint McKie

Jun 03, 2013 11:08 PM
Sally K. & David L. Hanson
EXP Realty 414-525-0563 - Brookfield, WI
WI Real Estate Agents - Luxury - Divorce

Telling people what they don't want to hear never wins a popularity contest....but those of us who do...can look in the mirror with a clear conscience.

Jun 03, 2013 11:11 PM
Kristin Johnston - REALTOR®
RE/MAX Platinum - Waukesha, WI
Giving Back With Each Home Sold!

In most cases it sure does seem like the appraisals are a joke magically coming in at the offer price....agreed that they should NOT get the offer!

Jun 03, 2013 11:12 PM
Frank Rubi
Frank Rubi Real Estate, LLC - Metairie, LA
FrankRubiRealEstate.com

I agree with the point of not giving information on the sale. The appraiser should treat each property as if it was a re-fin. Only the value and just your value. 

Jun 03, 2013 11:16 PM
James Dray
Fathom Realty - Bentonville, AR

OH Brother and sister you hit the nail on the head.  What difference does it make what the sale price is it's the value of the property without any influences from outside sources.

Jun 03, 2013 11:36 PM
Sally K. & David L. Hanson
EXP Realty 414-525-0563 - Brookfield, WI
WI Real Estate Agents - Luxury - Divorce

How cool would it be if AR on this topic and others...changed the world....one blog at a time ??

Jun 03, 2013 11:47 PM
Chris and Dick Dovorany
Homes for Sale in Naples, Bonita Springs and Estero, Florida - Naples, FL
Broker/Associate at Premiere Plus Realty

Appraisers are definately prostitutes.  I have tons of evidence.

Jun 04, 2013 12:38 AM
Sally K. & David L. Hanson
EXP Realty 414-525-0563 - Brookfield, WI
WI Real Estate Agents - Luxury - Divorce

Sometimes people think that requires feather boas, high heels and sequins...or not.

Jun 04, 2013 01:23 AM
Gene Mundt, IL/WI Mortgage Originator - FHA/VA/Conv/Jumbo/Portfolio/Refi
NMLS #216987, IL Lic. 031.0006220, WI Licensed. APMC NMLS #175656 - New Lenox, IL
708.921.6331 - 40+ yrs experience

Sally:  Having been an appraiser for years and a Mortgage Lender now ... I guess I have multiple perspectives on this topic.  I totally understand what you are saying regarding this topic.  Personally?  I always liked getting the contract and the info it contained.  Not so much for the sales price shown on it, but for other info on the contract too.  Just gave me a good base knowledge from which to start.  After managing many appraisers over the years I fulfilled that job, I came to know that like any profession ... there were good and bad in the field.  And the appraisal completed was reflective of their abilities and their willingness to take the time to do the job right.  Too often, many weren't (or aren't).  Thus the problems we see and hear about.  Given the state of current markets, the industry as a whole, and how the appraisal industry has had to change over the last handful of years ... it surely hasn't bode well for the quality of report written.  There are so many changes that need to take place to resolve the issue.  You tackle just one ...

Gene

Jun 04, 2013 05:41 AM
Lisa Von Domek
Lisa Von Domek Team - Dallas, TX
....Experience Isn't Expensive.... It's Priceless!

Hello Sally and David,

You have hit on one of my pet peeves and I agree 100%...appraisers should not be given the contract amount before doing the appraisal.  The best way to get an accurate market value is working it from start to finish and providing a final number...it would be interesting to see a blind study done on this!

Jun 04, 2013 06:19 AM
Conrad Allen
Re/Max Professional Associates - Webster, MA
Webster, Ma, Realtor

Hi Sally & David.  The government mandates that the appraiser have the sales agreement.  It is more for the concessions than it is for the sales price.  Concessions are subtracted from the final sales price of the comps. It is the adjusted sales price that is compared to the subject property.

Jun 04, 2013 08:16 PM
Sally K. & David L. Hanson
EXP Realty 414-525-0563 - Brookfield, WI
WI Real Estate Agents - Luxury - Divorce

I understand the concessions...the price should not be relevant if it is an objective evaluation....the vast differences...or far reaching comps into other counties are proof that this system is broken.

Jun 04, 2013 08:53 PM
Joe Petrowsky
Mortgage Consultant, Right Trac Financial Group, Inc. NMLS # 2709 - Manchester, CT
Your Mortgage Consultant for Life

I fight the appraisal battle everyday, sometimes a losing battle other times, one for the winning team. Nice job with your post.

Jun 04, 2013 09:06 PM
Dick and Dixie Sells
Sells Real Estate, LLC - Trinity, FL
Realtors, Tampa Bay Florida Homes For Sale

It of course depends on HOW the contract is used. If the contract price is considered the bulls eye to aim for, then it defeats the purpose. An appraisal is by definition an OPINION of value. We have appraisal issues here quite a bit. It shows that our values are rising. BUT it makes me pull my hair out some days.

Jun 04, 2013 09:41 PM
Sally K. & David L. Hanson
EXP Realty 414-525-0563 - Brookfield, WI
WI Real Estate Agents - Luxury - Divorce

True enough...Dick, Dixie and Joe...."an opinion of value" is what it should be....which should offer protection for the Buyer....when the price is revealed and the down payment significant...does the "value" protect the lender in securing the loan or the borrower in assurance of value ?

Jun 04, 2013 10:07 PM