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I got notice late yesterday that beginning March 1st, loans above 97.01% will no longer be eligible for PMI.

3% down payment may be the name of the game going forward.... and FHA Loans have never looked so sexy!!

Monthly PMI on Gov't loans is 1/2 of what you are charged on conventional loans. Yet, many consumers have opted for 100% financing because they do not have money for the down payment. Not to be confused with the client who 'elected' 100% Financing, these people who are paying twice as much for PMI are doing so for a reason. They simply cannot put any of their own money down on a real estate transaction. And that lack of cash reserves equates to more people walking away from their mortgage obligations when times get tough.

See the full text letter from PMI Mortgage Insurance Company.
http://www.pmi-us.com/guidelinechanges/media/pmi_miguidelinechangesltr.pdf

Is this the end? The good old days are over? Well, that remains to be seen..... but it looks like the PMI companies are tired of paying off when homeowners simply walk away from their obligations.

Other changes include reduced Loan-to-Value (LTV) for reduced documentation loans and loans for homes in Declining Markets.

Stay tuned for future developments!!!

 

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One thing that I haven't seen in the comments is that with the Federal Govt not going after people who get foreclosed on for capital gains.... has made it easier for people to walk away. <= The banks call it "Jingle Mail" when their borrowers just mail in the keys!!!

 

 
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58 Comments on The Death of 100% Financing.... The End is Near!!

Indeed.  But look for the MIP to go up sooner or later. 

02/12/2008 12:22 PM by Lenn Harley Homefinders.com MD & VA Real Estate


Tom - Glad this was featured.  FHA looks sexy but VA Loans look even sexier for those who qualify.

02/12/2008 12:39 PM by Jason Sardi, Pennsylvania Mortgage Broker (First Choice Equity Group Inc.)


Thanks Tom for the heads up on this.

100% loans will always be needed to get people in homes. That helps drive the real estate market and the economy.

Cheers, KIM.

02/12/2008 12:41 PM by C. KIM McGuire (Coastal Area Real Estate for Corpus Christi - Padre Island)


I believe PMI is the main reason we have the mortgage crisis we have. If banks did not have this crutch available to them they would have used better practices and that would have curtailed the foreclosure issues.

02/12/2008 12:42 PM by Team DiMuria, Katy Texas Realtors (Prudential Gary Greene Realtors)


you mean you need money to buy a house.  What is this world coming to.  Just kidding, I think 100% loans are over.

02/12/2008 12:43 PM by Jeff Hartlep (Edward Surovell Realtors)


How about a 680 to get over 90% and strick limitations with LPMI. This March, thousands of potential home owners will no longer qualify.

Sell, Lock, Underwrite NOW

Happy Selling!
Tony Grego - Indiana Mortgage Broker

02/12/2008 12:54 PM by Tony Grego with AmeriSave


Just a footnote to say that in Canada the 100% program is going strong and getting better without any of the ramifications that the Americans have experienced as a result of the sub-prime crunch.

For more information: 100% Mortgage Program just got better.....fully discounted rates!

Sorry about the blatant advert but I think those that can qualify should know we are not experiencing the same issues here in Canada.

Regards, DAVE

02/12/2008 01:01 PM by Mortgage Intelligence Inc. (Dave Yeoman)


Tom... this is awesome... meaning, thanks for sharing this. I already knew that they would clamp down. I guess we'll see more MI companies follow.

In regards to Lenn's statement... sure, FHA will have risk based pricing, but the rate would still be cheaper than the conventional MI rates and the actual interest rates.

Overall, I partially agree with Team DiMuria's statement... not total blame, but partial blame. I agree, I am glad that this was featured, because I mentioned that we would see changes and said this 3 months ago.

jeff belonger

02/12/2008 01:03 PM by Jeff Belonger -- The FHA Expert.com -- FHA Loans -- FHA mortgages -- Mortgages (Infinity Home Mortgage Company, Inc)


Thanks for sharing the info.  I will keep my eye out for these changes.

02/12/2008 01:14 PM by John Cassels (Benchmark Mortgage)


I have to agree with the majority here....it's about time things got cleaned up as far as loans are concerned.  There are still a multitude of programs for folks, it's not unreasonable to expect that buyers come up with some down payment.....after all, you need two months' payments to get a rental, why should it be any less for homeownership?

This has been a long time coming!

 

Stacey McVey

Real Living Realty One

Hudson OHIO

02/12/2008 01:34 PM by Stacey McVey (Howard Hanna Real Estate Services)


Thanks for this update. It does not bode well for my area where very few people can come up with a down payment. I'm not feeling too bad for the PMI companies though.

02/12/2008 01:52 PM by Karl Burger - Pensacola Real Estate News (ERA Beach Ball Realty)


FHA will look for like the new scenario.  It's always been good, but now it looks as if it'll be the main solution.

02/12/2008 01:59 PM by Larry Bettag - Cherry Creek Mortgage


Tom good info.  

It won't be bad for people to have to put money down on a home. When a person can buy a home with less money than it takes to move into an apartment something needs to be changed. But watch for the FHA Reform and the 3% participation get reduced to 1.50% VA is still the best product out there and thats why not everyone can get it.

02/12/2008 02:30 PM by G.S. Group, Inc. Mortgage Services


Tom thanks for sharing.

Have a great day!

02/12/2008 02:41 PM by Richard Ives (RE/MAX AT HOME)


Buyers shoul put some money into the transaction. Thanks for the information.

02/12/2008 02:53 PM by Robert L. Brown~Grand Rapids Real Estate Flexit Realty, West Michigan (www.mrbrownsellsgr.com)


thanks for letting me know about the end of 100%, yikes there goes a ton of my business, hopefully they can invent some new loans that can help put everything back in prespective

02/12/2008 03:26 PM by David Soto - Illinois Home Loans & Mortgages (Illinois Home Loans & Mortgage Refinance)


This is great info. We heard a couple of weeks ago that this was coming and here it is. FHA is definitely a good product and I think that if you or your company don't offer FHA, you are definitely missing out! Jeff Belonger did a wonderful comparison of FHA vs. Conventional a few days ago and I would highly recommend checking it out!

02/12/2008 03:39 PM by Rich Dansereau Loan Officer Knoxville TN (Home America Mortgage)


I was wondering when the MI companies were going to come out with this.  The reason why half the programs are gone now is becasue they cut thier guidelines!  I'm glad to see them standing up! 

Steve Fishman CRMS: YOU ARE RIGHT!!!!! you can buy a house for less than it would take to rent an apartment (high five!)

02/12/2008 03:40 PM by D. Bass ~ Blog: Ask The Underwriter (Alpha Mortgage Training)


That will be  a problem for some buyers, that do not have the money to put down.....possibly they should make the requirements more stringent..but do away with it all together...

02/12/2008 04:00 PM by Konnie MAC Northern Virginia Real Estate (Konnie McKee )


I understand that PMI company may be reducing LTV to 97% but what about the others?  I'm sure some MI companies suffered bigger losses than others and may be in a position to keep insuring 100%LTV products.

02/12/2008 04:05 PM by Eddie Reed, MRMS, CRMS (Guaranty Bank and Trust Co.)


Geez.... A gold star = more work for me....

Lenn: This may only be the start of it. I expected MI pricing to go up, but this was a bit of a surprise.

Scott: I am never too shocked in this industry.

Jason: I love VA loans too!!

Kim: This is certainly going to affect many borrowers.

Team Dimuria: Yes, banks shot themselves in the foot. Maybe this is a kneejerk reaction and will correct itself soon.

Jeff: Over? No! Not for good. We still have 80/20 loans.

Tony: 680 isn't hard to achieve.

Dave:

Jeff B: FHA!! FHA!! FHA!!

John: Thanks for stopping by.

Stacey: You are so right. Buying has been easier than renting.

Karl: Lenders with FHA will be busy. Lenders without will be scamperring to get signed up.

Larry: FHA has been a real option for many.... Now, many MORE.

Steven: VA is the best. Agreed!! But it SHOULD be reserved for those who have already 'paid'. ;-)

Richard: Thanks for stopping by.

Robert: I disagree 100% with your statement. Why sink money into an appreciating asset with tax deductible interest?

Cameron: Keep plugging away at those VA loans.

David: I don't know what is next.... but the days of inventing loans is over too.

 

02/12/2008 04:21 PM by Tom Burris | FHA VA & Conv. Texas Mortgage Loans (DallasLoanGuy.com)


Rich: Companies that don't have FHA are doing a disservice to their clients AND Realtor partners.

D. Bass: I thought rates would skyrocket. I didn't foresee thiss.

Konnie: 100% is not the problem. Guidelines are. And Fannie/Freddie set the guidelines that are un-insurable. Crazy!!

Eddie: I doubt that some rogue MI company will keep doing 100%. All of them will go to this. If one or two DOES stay in at 100%, expect that to be short lived. Rates will increase or the others will get back in.

 

02/12/2008 04:25 PM by Tom Burris | FHA VA & Conv. Texas Mortgage Loans (DallasLoanGuy.com)


Thanks for sharing.  I was lucky to get a 97% loan with no PMI based on the metro area I was buying into (Atlanta) 2 years ago.  

02/12/2008 04:35 PM by Audrey Hoffman, SimplyStage (SimplyStage)


Tom, from my perspective, purchasing my first home in 1965, this looks like the type of mortgage that makes more sense than the 100%. In the old days, we had to come up with a downpayment for our home. We saved, and then bought. It's been so long I don't remember "how" much, but never 100%. Truthfully, I don't remember having to ever pay PMI. Maybe that didn't come into play until after the 60's.

Pepper

02/12/2008 04:59 PM by Mesa, Arizona Real Estate *** Teri Ellis, Broker, ABR,CRS,GRI,ePRO,MRE (Homes Arizona Real Estate LLC)


I am fond of USDA Rural development for those that qualify.  No PMI and up to 102% to allow for closing cost and funding fee to be rolled in.

02/12/2008 05:23 PM by Joe Adams (Major Mortgage USA/Branch Manager)


The two largest providers of private mortgage insurers, PMI and MGIC now pulled out of offering PMI in 4 states (CA, FL, NV and one other) plus several other metropolitan areas. This is pretty quickly going to make anything less than 20% down a thing of the past in those markets.

02/12/2008 06:24 PM by Matt Heaton (Timu)


Tom, it looks like we went back about 10 years ago or maybe more.  We have bought many homes but have been settled in this home for the last 11 years.  We never even considered not having to put money down as that was not an option.

02/12/2008 07:23 PM by Marchel Peterson Spring TX Real Estate E-Pro ABR (Results Realty)


People actually will need money to borrow it now?  What a novel idea!

02/12/2008 09:33 PM by Gene Neal (Keller Williams Realty SES)


The PMI companies have been burned in this crisis and are making adjustments. I'll bet that 100% financing may disappear for a while, but it will be back, with strong guidelines.

02/12/2008 09:49 PM by Tigard Oregon Real Estate >> Wayne B. Pruner, GRI (Oregon First)


People need to learn to save if they want own a home.  Sorry, but it's true.  I bought my first house with VA loan, my ex-husband was the veteran. I saved for the downpayment, yes I put money down, but then hadn't also stockpiled for any rainy days, or broken appliances, or leaky plumbing, or landscaping, and...well...you get my drift.  Homeownership is not a right, it's a priviledge and a responsiblity.  Sorry, I will step off my soap box now.

02/12/2008 09:56 PM by Rebecca Levinson, Real Estate Marketing Consultant (Real Skillz)


Will be interesting to see how the market changes with this. Thanks for sharing.

02/12/2008 11:09 PM by Bob & Carolin Benjamin - E Phoenix Arizona Real Estate (Benjamin Realty LLC)


This will have an impact. Very definitely. Culturally, Americans expect to be able to buy things with No Money Down. You get money back when you buy a car even. So why should we have different rules when it comes to home purchases.
If this is truly the end of zero down for the near future, I hope the message is broadcast loudly for all the purchasers to hear.

02/12/2008 11:48 PM by Sarah Nopp, REALTOR(R), CRS. RE/MAX Four Seasons, Olympia WA (RE/MAX Four Seasons)


The comments implying people should "have" to put a down-payment together to buy a home are off-base in my opinion. The real issue isn't down-payment but ABILITY to make the down-payment. When loaning money, it's the ability to repay that is important. Having a homebuyer put their last quarter into down-payment so they can finance 80% of the sales price, doesn't make them MORE likely to repay the loan. It makes them LESS likely as they have no cash reserves to fall back on.

Where the mortgage banking industry went wrong was in devaluing the importance of verified liquid reserves. The difference between financing $200,000 vs. $180,000 at 6.00% is $120 less per month. If the client kept the $20,000 difference in their bank account, I personally would prefer making that loan for an extra $120 in monthly payment knowing they had an ability and willingness to save in the past.

Allowing home purchases with no money down AND no verified assets in reserves....now THAT was a problem.

02/13/2008 12:01 AM by Ken Stampe | Wells Fargo | Mortgage Loan Dallas .com (Ken Stampe | Wells Fargo Home Mortgage))


Yes I agree and all is not lost the people who have been around know how to get their clients good loans still

02/13/2008 12:02 AM by Spokane Realtor - Rick Callaham (Team Quintana Real Estate)


Thanks for the inside scoop Tom.

 

John hurbon

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02/13/2008 02:02 AM by John Hurbon benson arizona


I guess that we can look back to the good ol' days with appreciation. All these changes are frustrating.

02/13/2008 04:24 AM by Creative Group R.E. Inc.


Tom good thing you are not in south Florida.  You see the guidelines and then the oh declining market label hits.  oops sorry folks can't do it.  In Florida it is harder and harder for higher LTV's

02/13/2008 06:56 AM by My Favorite Mortgage.net - Matthew J Blum


I would expect 100% financing to be a thing of the past pretty soon. Those who take advantage of it can least afford the consequences.

02/13/2008 07:00 AM by Dan Forbes (.)


Audrey: Thanks or stopping by.

Teri: 100% is a good thing..... as long as the lenders make sure that the home is affordable.

Joe: USDA is a great program.

Matt: We still have 2nd liens.

Marchel: We put money down too.... although we qualified for 100%. I was shocked to learn that I qualified for twice what I was comfortable with paying.

Maria: I love me some of that FHA.

Gene: As long as there are reserves, I have no problem with 100%

Wayne: Exactly!!

Rebecca: Correct. It is a priviledge. Soooo many eople I talk to think they have a RIGHT to the big house with a nice car parked out front.

Bob: Thanks for stopping by.

Sarah: 3% down is nothing. With seller paying most of the closing costs, it is not a big hurdle.

Ken: I couldn't have said it any better. Soooo many people rip the 100% financing, when it isn't the problem. Willingness and capacity to pay!!!

Rick: Reason for realtors to search for top notch loan officers.

John: Thanks for stopping by.

Nathan: Yes, frustrating. AND confusing to the consumers.

Mathew: Is the whole state declining? I bet it is hard, indeed!!

Dan: I disagree. I have MANY clients who elect 100% when they have the $$ in the bank to do 5 or 10% down.

Christine: Yes, at 9.5% 2nd liens(Texas rates)..... LOL.

 

02/13/2008 01:20 PM by Tom Burris | FHA VA & Conv. Texas Mortgage Loans (DallasLoanGuy.com)


Many loan officers fear FHA, but at this time in the market these government loans need to be embraced. I help many of my first-time homebuyers with the Oregon State Bond loan, which is done as an FHA.

02/13/2008 01:30 PM by Marc DeSantis (Countrywide Home Loans)


Marc: When I first started out in this business, I had a broker tell me that FHA was too hard and that there were better options. Then I learned how expensive it was to be FHA approved(the real reason why he didn't offer FHA). Then I left that broker for another shop that had FHA loans.... life has been good since.

02/13/2008 02:45 PM by Tom Burris | FHA VA & Conv. Texas Mortgage Loans (DallasLoanGuy.com)


I bet they are tired of paying. I am sure once everything settles, those loans will come back again. Very nice post.

02/13/2008 05:59 PM by Christy Powers - Pooler, Savannah Real Estate Agent (Keller Williams Coastal Area Partners)


I agree that we will probably see them again in the future. History repeats itself.

02/14/2008 01:45 AM by Kathy Hall (Exit Realty-Creative Group)


There is so much uncertainty in the market right now. I agree with Christy...I think they will come back also.

02/14/2008 03:13 AM by Jim Lemon (Exit Realty-Creative Group)


I wish there were stats on the foreclosures of piggyback loans vs PMI loans and owner occ vs NOO.  Am guessing they are mostly investors here who got in with no money down on a piggyback loan. 

FHA is very sexy here and people are taking advantage!!  On the same note, it was near impossible for a tipped wage earner to get in on an FHA from 2004-present so why should they have to pay for the sins of the past in PMI increases?

I do, however, agree that this is a declining market and people should be required to put more down.

02/14/2008 07:46 AM by Renee Burrows - Las Vegas NV. ASK ABOUT -1st Time Buyer Down Payment Assistance! (Nevada Realty Solutions - Realtor - Estate - Probate - REO)


Kathy: Thanks for stopping by

Renee: I wish I had access to more stats too. Tipped wage earners can get an FHA loan.... but they can't have their cake and eat it too. If I had a dollar for everytime someone whined about how they don't claim all of their income, and "it isn't fair"

02/14/2008 08:33 AM by Tom Burris | FHA VA & Conv. Texas Mortgage Loans (DallasLoanGuy.com)


Tom,

Thanks for sharing this. Maybe my side will pick up soon, this market is killing me.

02/14/2008 09:46 AM by Steven Stone - Charlotte Real Estate Appraiser (Valuation Experts)


Tom:

 Thank you-good infomation to digest...

02/14/2008 02:50 PM by Michael McEleney (Iowa Realty)


Thank you for sharing this information with us...I hope things get better...

02/14/2008 10:23 PM by Exit Realty-Creative Group


Thanks,  Ca has had it's share of struggles with 100% financing, too.

Doug

02/15/2008 12:21 AM by Doug Jones CMPS (Mortgage Magic)


Steven: Time to seek our additional referral sources. Business is still there.

Michael: Thanks for stopping by.

Donna: It isn't too bad... yet.

Doug: Declining markets are the toughest right now.

 

 

02/15/2008 08:29 AM by Tom Burris | FHA VA & Conv. Texas Mortgage Loans (DallasLoanGuy.com)


Not yet Dave. I bet Americans were thinking the same thing a year ago.

Tom, thank you for the update.

03/21/2008 12:45 PM by Cheri' Smith, Realtor (ERA Whitaker Realty)


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