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Uh, Oh. New Roof. New Flashing. And sagging.

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Home Inspector with Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC 3380-000723

I saw it from the street and then the driveway when I pulled in - and thought ... Uh, oh.  New roof.  New flashing.  And sagging. 

And the flashing isn't done right, it's really high, it covers the old flashing.

THIS IS A PATCH JOB!

The shingles had been jammed under the siding so hard it was bent.  I could see no evidence of step flashing.

I said to my client that I hoped there was no moisture in the wall of the room inside that chimney.

But the sag is pretty pronounced, and measures 2'x5'.

No, I didn't step on it to see how strong it was!

But I did have a little peeky from inside the garage attic space.

And, given that this is a flip job, I saw what I expected!

ANOTHER PATCH JOB!

If we aren't consistent in life, what's the point?

And flippers are usually very consistent creatures.

Under nearly the entirety of the sag we have some oriented strand board simply placed underneath and held in place with sistered 2x4s.

See the stains on the brick?  Water had been getting around that original flashing. 

This oriented strand board is doing two jobs -

1.  It is (hopefully) lending support to what is probably trashed sheathing.

2.  It is covering up what is probably badly rotting wood!

So, like my blue jeans growing up, a little patch here, a little patch there, and before long you have something that lasts long enough to get by.

Until you sell the house that is.

And guess what?  Inside the house, the living room with the "Gorgeous Fireplace!" had all new drywall around the "Gorgeous Fireplace."  And above and beside the "Gorgeous Fireplace" the moisture meter registered everywhere from 20% to 85% moisture! 

No stains yet.  Fresh paint!  That new drywall should get things by long enough to sell the house.

I CAN TELL YOU'RE SEEING THE SAME PATTERN HERE AS I DO!

My recommendation:  what you see is what you get!  So hire someone to see what you don't when you walk around the beautiful flip job and notice only the lipstick.  That someone would be a home inspector!  And you will get by, with a little help from your friend.

 

 

Posted by

Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC  

Based in Bristow, serving all of Northern Virginia.

Office (703) 330-6388   Cell (703) 585-7560

www.jaymarinspect.com


Comments(20)

James Dray
Fathom Realty - Bentonville, AR

I'm taking a guess but did they pay for a new roof or patch job?  Either way it really doesn't matter a poor job is a poor job. 

Jun 21, 2013 08:08 PM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

I'm not fully understanding the problem. Are the shingles over the patch new or deteriorated? Seeing trusses, the span is obviously 24". Some sagging is common in the absences of clips, especially with age and or multiple layers. 

Jun 21, 2013 08:16 PM
Barbara Todaro
RE/MAX Executive Realty - Happily Retired - Franklin, MA
Previously Affiliated with The Todaro Team

Good morning, Jay....this is what happens when someone with a truck and a hammer tries to make a score in real estate.... they are not "real builders" and just do patch jobs that are not to code....

Jun 21, 2013 09:04 PM
Raymond E. Camp
Ontario, NY

Good morning Jay,

Interesting problem; and agree the patch on the inside is a nono.

Make yourself a great day.

Jun 21, 2013 09:20 PM
Sally K. & David L. Hanson
EXP Realty 414-525-0563 - Brookfield, WI
WI Real Estate Agents - Luxury - Divorce

grrr..looks like a "do over" tearoff would be in order here !

Jun 21, 2013 09:21 PM
Clint Mckie
Desert Sun Home, commercial Inspections - Carlsbad, NM
Desert Sun Home, Comm. Inspection 1-575-706-5586

Hi Jay,

I'm with James on this one. So the roof decking had been repaired in the attic area. There are sisters there to help. I see they don't go all the way to the old decking for a proper support.

I really don't like seeing flashing installed this way. it has "Rookie" written all over it.

Have a good day in Bristow my friend.

Best, Clint McKie

Jun 21, 2013 09:46 PM
Tom Arstingstall, General Contractor, Dry Rot, Water Damage Sacramento, El Dorado County - (916) 765-5366
Dry Rot and Water Damage www.tromlerconstruction.com Mobile - 916-765-5366 - Placerville, CA
General Contractor, Dry Rot and Water Damage

The effort that is used up to hide something could go a long way in doing the job right Jay.

Jun 22, 2013 12:04 AM
Fred Hernden, CMI
Superior Home Inspections - Greater Albuquerque Area - Albuquerque, NM
Albuquerque area Master Inspector

"Just sweep it under the rug... nobody will notice" Except the people that just bought their dream nightmare!  A big shout out to all the Home Inspectors (pat on the back) that call these guys out!

Jun 22, 2013 12:34 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

This is a flipper James and he pays himself when the house is sold!

Jim - this is the same house with the caulked windows (yesterday's post).  This is the only area on the roof that sags.  It is shingled over something soft, but not visible from abvoe, or underneath with the "supportive" patch.  That patch is underneath what is left of the sheathing.

Maybe the flipper's name is Patches, Barbara?

Raymond - to me it is!

Jun 22, 2013 01:54 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

S&D - this whole house was an apparent attempt at a do over!

Clint - you had to be there I guess.  Pushing on the shingles you can feel the soft sheathing underneath.  That patch is under the soft sheathing.   This patch, and the flashing, are rookie all over, like the caulked windows yesterday!  Same house.

Tom - I am often amazed by wasted creativity and time!

Thanks Fred.  A little down and to the left, please.  Ahhhh, right there!

Jun 22, 2013 01:58 AM
Mike McCann Nebraska Land Broker
Mike McCann - Broker, Mach1 Realty Farm & Commercial Land Broker-Auctioneer Serving Nebraska - Kearney, NE
Farm & Commercial Property For Sale 308-627-3700

Jay...Thank you for sharing your expertise on AR regarding inspections!! You have educated many people (Realtors, real estate brokers, consumers and many more, and that is a tribute to your passion for your industry!!

Also congrats on hitting 1,000,000 with your next blog!!

Jun 22, 2013 02:16 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Thank you Mike, for both comments.  I have said nothing about my next milestone!  You noticed!

Jun 22, 2013 04:10 AM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

why was the grain of the plywood running the wrong way in that one area?

Jun 22, 2013 03:17 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Roofing dyslexia when they installed it in 1977 Charlie.

Actually, on older homes I see a lot of 2' strips running lengthwise along the apex of the roof, front and back.  Probably ease of installation.

Jun 22, 2013 08:15 PM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

Wow.  It will always sag sooner or later----especially the old 3 ply stuff.  It should always span across the joists/rafters for the greatest strength.

Jun 22, 2013 11:24 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Oh, you're so picky Charlie.  Seeing it all the time, and being there for a few days, it's hard for me to comment on it on reports.  When they get a new roof the roofer, a real roofer (not a flipper), hopefully will correct it!

Jun 22, 2013 11:28 PM
Steven Cook
No Longer Processing Mortgages. - Tacoma, WA

Jay -- no one can say that your eyesight is failing, seeing that sag as you drove up!  Then 85% moisture? Couldn't someone put the dull end of a pencil through that?

Jun 23, 2013 12:55 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Not yet Steven.  It probably had not had enough time to soften up.  This is all very fresh work.

Jun 23, 2013 06:44 PM
Suzanne Otto
Six Twenty Designs - Lansdale, PA
Your Montgomery County PA home stager

It's amazing what sellers will do to avoid fixing the bigger issue. Patch jobs aren't always done well, case and point.

Jul 18, 2013 01:41 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

This is a flipper Suzanne!  So I would expect he would not do it for sale as he would for himself!

Jul 18, 2013 11:02 AM