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How Long Before the Appraisal is Worthless?

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Real Estate Agent with Morris Williams Realty

 

I am working for a super great buyer/investor right now. He is a retired commercial broker that did very well buying and leasing huge commercial projects in the midwest. Now he plays golf , day trades, and has chosen me to represent him on a number of investment properties. He has freinds with cash and believe this is a great time to get out of the stock market and into something more stable. At long last, after all this time, Investors are coming off the sidelines and want to play again.

Its about time...

We have been busy working on finding deals. Deals are everywhere, but they are not simple. There are some with serious complications, some that look sooo good and then you see the hidden traps...Ohhhh, thats why it won't sell.. Others have appraisals, and well written, beautiful CMA's that I now see were using very flawed, loan fraud type comps even then. Many of these deals are in foreclosure now, and with good reason..

We have to be very careful. Tax issues, and other clouds on titles don't go away. We must know how to make them go away, and it will take time and money. Thats where the rubber hits the road..What seems an insurmountable problem for some is just another day at the office for others....Thats what experience will tell you. Our job is to know the difference between difficult and impossible..

My latest issues are all the people who spent good money on appraisals for the property they are attempting to sell. My crystal ball has very good backward vision, and is looking pretty clear on the 60-90 day forecast as well.

 But I am now experiencing a negotiation with a lender who is using a two year old commercial appraisal as a weapon. I know they read the paper. I know they see a nightly news cast every once in a while. Every other person I meet on the street is willing to tell me how bad the market is, but this lender rep is sticking to his story like I might convert over if I hear it often enough. Its a perfectly done, $ 3000.00 appraisal that is good for making paper airplanes now. thats it. Its 26 months old...It has no bearing on current situations..

I had the lender tell me, what do you know, you are only a Realtor. This is a Certified Appraisal!!

My buyers group is having a ball with this one. They are all retired from big business, this is fun for them. I went on  a fishing trip with  some of our investors and learned more about what they really are interested in. Some of these guys made really big money, and playing Real Life Monopoly with a few hundred thousand is not a big deal..Some are really needing to recover back their positions lost in recent stock crashes. 

 All of them are looking at me, as the proffessional, to do my job.

In this market, we need to do our homework. We need to make it our business to know with certainty what is a good deal, and why. We have to power to change lives, and we need to be more careful with our customers money. We don't have to look back very far to see what happens when we get caught up in the hype.

Its time for us as professionals to act like we are proffessionals. Its only then that the public perception will change toward us in this business.

 

Christine Thierry
Sterling Home Mortgages - Narberth, PA
CRMS
It is completely worthless, and that makes sense.  Would have been worthless before we were experiencing some declining markets.  4 months max, with a recert up to 6 months.  After 6 months, you have to get a new one.
Feb 12, 2008 11:02 PM
Mike Norvell Sr
Morris Williams Realty - Leesburg, FL
Norvell Consulting Group
Thanks you..Christine...the property has been on the market the whole time, and has been vacant for over a year, and is in foreclosure...someone will take a big, realy big million plus bath on this one...If they couldn't get this much for it over two years ago, it certianly won't fly now
Feb 12, 2008 11:06 PM
Lu Kalaj
Vision Realty Centers - Brighton Township, MI
I'm still figuring this topic out.  I really can't understand how a value of home that cost $320,000 to build 4 years ago, isn't worth more than $250,000 today.  When it would cost $320,000 to build today.  I just keep scratching my head.  But yes, I agree, we must keep being professionals, not just acting it out.  Hope February is a good month for you.  Lu
Feb 12, 2008 11:08 PM
Mike Norvell Sr
Morris Williams Realty - Leesburg, FL
Norvell Consulting Group
Oh, Lu, the fuzzy math we live with...I tell everyone now , if you don't have to sell, then get out of the market. If you do have to sell, then sell fast,  because the deal you turn down now will look good in 3 more months!!!
Feb 12, 2008 11:10 PM
Heather the Realtor Orlando, Lake Mary
LemonTree Realty - Orlando, FL
First Time Home Buyers, Bank Owned Homes
I would simply say to them well if it's a certified appraisal that's important to you, why dont we just order another one and if it comes back at the same appraised value I will pay for the appraisal but if it doesnt you pay and we negotiate.  
Feb 12, 2008 11:21 PM
Mike Norvell Sr
Morris Williams Realty - Leesburg, FL
Norvell Consulting Group
Hey thats a good one..we are just a million apart now...whats another 3 grand!!! Thanks  they have to know, I must have the only lender rep in the country that thinks a 2 year old appraisal is any good..like I say, it did not sell then either!!!!!!!!!! Thanks Heather..c ya
Feb 12, 2008 11:36 PM
Gary Woltal
Keller Williams Realty - Flower Mound, TX
Assoc. Broker Realtor SFR Dallas Ft. Worth
I think nowadays "Appraisals" older than 60 days need to be re-visited. The market is too dynamic.
Feb 12, 2008 11:49 PM
Brian Schulman
Coldwell Banker Residential Brokerage, Lancaster PA - Lancaster, PA
Lancaster County PA RealEstate Expert 717-951-5552
Mike, in today's uncertain market, an older appraisal is even less useful than usual...
Feb 12, 2008 11:50 PM
Mike Norvell Sr
Morris Williams Realty - Leesburg, FL
Norvell Consulting Group
Hey Gary..I see banks asking for appraisal "updates" within 60 days of contract, this guy is out to lunch
Feb 13, 2008 04:16 AM
Mike Norvell Sr
Morris Williams Realty - Leesburg, FL
Norvell Consulting Group

Brian...we definately are in an uncertian market, I won't forcast more than 90 days, 6 months in advance is a guess at best...

ANdrew...I will soon just bypass this dude...we really have a serious interest in this property, we will find out who really is in charge and start shooting bids at the property  nice to c u 2

 

Feb 13, 2008 04:20 AM
Rick Kellow
Cherry Creek Mortgage - West Bend, WI
FHA & Reverse Mortgage Expert

Mike,

Old Appraisals are like yesterdays rate sheets... I still have calling asking for rates from two weeks ago...

Rick

Feb 13, 2008 04:23 AM
Ginger Wilcox
Sindeo - San Francisco, CA
An appraisal from last week is outdated.  Appraisals do not equal what a buyer will pay!
Feb 14, 2008 06:33 AM
Mike Norvell Sr
Morris Williams Realty - Leesburg, FL
Norvell Consulting Group
We all need to be aware of a decliing market situation
Feb 14, 2008 11:59 PM