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Hold your stinkin' horses HUD, what you are proposing doesn't sound legal to me

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Real Estate Broker/Owner with Lane Realty Eatonton, GA Lake Sinclair, Milledgeville, 706-485-9668 GREC# 169695

Hey, I am not an attorney and I certainly don't pretend to interpret what a law/rule means, but this just sounds really wrong to me and goes against everything I was taught about fair housing.  In my opinion this is steering, but you can read what I just read and form your own opinions.

The first article I read on this today was from a news organization, and every news organization I know puts their own "spin" on things and I wasn't sure that someone would actually be proposing that real estate agents steer minority buyers into non minority neighborhoods, but I dug further and read the speech and I'll be waiting to see what the "clear definition of what it means to affirmatively further fair housing;", but I read the ENTIRE speech and I have to agree with the take that I first read on the news organization that I will not mention, but it sounds like they are saying they will "punish" agents who don't steer minorities to non minority neighborhoods. 

You can read the entire speech for yourself here

Now let me say two things.... I don't KNOW the race of people who live in the neighboring homes of homes in our MLS.  That data isn't in the MLS and I don't ask the listing agent and/or the homeowner.  So how am I to know if a neighborhood is "mostly white".  Am I supposed to go sit and see who gets off the school bus or comes home from work?  And second, I thought steering was illegal.  Isn't this very thing what was called block busting in the 70s?  Wasn't this already defined as a fair housing violation.

Frankly the only discrimination I use is not putting people who refuse to get pre-qualified in my car and showing them the homes they want to see.  I've discovered through trial and error that is a waste of everyone's time and money.  But I let my buyers choose the homes they are qualified financially to see and I make appointments for those homes with NO thought to the race make up of the neighborhood.  Now they are talking about brining a new rule to "affirmatively further fair housing".  Pfffft.  I don't need a new rule for that.  The rules we have in place that make discrimination illegal seem perfectly fine to me.  My office even addresses it in our policy manual.  We don't steer, we don't know or care the racial makeup of any given neighborhood and we think affirmative action for real estate agents is the stupidest idea we've heard in years.

 

 

 

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Richard Weisser
Richard Weisser Realty - Newnan, GA
Richard Weisser Retired Real Estate Professional

Tammy...

So we have to show qualified prospects houses that they don't want to see? Um... what? I may be missing something but I think that this rule applies to new developments and targeted advertising, but I still don't like the idea at all.

Jul 24, 2013 10:22 PM
Lisa Von Domek
Lisa Von Domek Team - Dallas, TX
....Experience Isn't Expensive.... It's Priceless!

Hello Tammy,

Steering is steering and we can't and won't do it - period....Fair Housing - what a ridiculous moniker.

Jul 24, 2013 10:28 PM
Michael Setunsky
Woodbridge, VA
Your Commercial Real Estate Link to Northern VA

Tammy, steering is directing home buyers towards or away from neighborhoods based on their race. This does appear to fit the definition of steering. Are they going to rewrite the Fair Housing rules to suit their own agenda?

Jul 24, 2013 10:35 PM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

Sad to say, but none of this is at all surprising.  Today, everything in government is founded on race.

Jul 24, 2013 10:52 PM
Dorie Dillard Austin TX
Coldwell Banker Realty ~ 512.750.6899 - Austin, TX
NW Austin ~ Canyon Creek and Spicewood/Balcones

Good morning Tammy,

This is outrageous!! Lenn is right..it appears our government as we know it today is founded on race!

Jul 24, 2013 11:03 PM
Jill Sackler
Charles Rutenberg Realty Inc. 516-575-7500 - Long Beach, NY
LI South Shore Real Estate - Broker Associate

Oh, boy. I don't see any good coming from this.

Jul 24, 2013 11:04 PM
Doug Rogers
RE/MAX Coastal Properties - Destin, FL
Your Real Estate Resource!

How about we let the consumer decide where they want to live? Sure wish government would focus on deficit reduction instead of growing bureaucracy.

Jul 24, 2013 11:27 PM
Keith Lawrence
Christie's International - Mahwah, NJ
ABR, SFR

It up to the buyer where they want to live. Realtors just show buyers houses that they are qualified to purchase. 

Jul 24, 2013 11:33 PM
Rob Arnold
Sand Dollar Realty Group, Inc. - Altamonte Springs, FL
Metro Orlando Full Service - Investor Friendly & F

Best to just let people drive through neighborhoods themselves and determine if they want to live there. People get so easily offended anymore and HUD has testers out there looking to find trouble.

Jul 24, 2013 11:45 PM
Richard Iarossi
Coldwell Banker Residential Brokerage - Crofton, MD
Crofton MD Real Estate, Annapolis MD Real Estate

The government rarely considers the unintended consequences of their actions. In this case, they could be huge.

Jul 24, 2013 11:56 PM
Ronald Gombach
Morrisville, PA

Take-away from reading Donovan's NAACP Convention "prepared remarks".

Quote " ... to bring Fair Housing into the 21st century. " 

Do we really need HUD to be "more 21st century-ish?"

I don't know about you, but here's some of what I've seen so far as the 21st century:

  • 9/11 and unaswered questions
  • Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Egypt, Libya, etc.
  • Bengazi and unanswered questions
  • IRS and unanswered questions
  • Campaign promises unfulfilled
  • Wall Street doing just fine -- thank you taxpayers
  • Rapid acceleration of the disappearance of the middle class
  • A sea of foreclosures and short sales
  • US 16-trillion in the red and rising
  • Congress grid-locked
  • Rise of insularity, privilege and affluence inside the D.C. Beltway
  • Federal Reserve run (even more) amok
  • Bankrupt cities

Donovan wants to help the "middle class". What middle class? 

One other thing I noted in the remarks:

Quote: "And in total, over the past three years, HUD’s investigative efforts have resulted in more than $65 million in compensation for more than 25,000 individuals that were allegedly subjected to housing discrimination."

Makes me wonder if $65-mil went to "alleged discrimination" whether there was any $ left for  "actual discrimination."

 

Jul 25, 2013 12:39 AM
Gary Frimann, CRS, GRI, SRES
Eagle Ridge Realty / Signature Homes & Estates - Gilroy, CA
REALTOR and Broker

They're not selling or lending or  renting housing, so it is not illegal.  It appears they are just monitoring.  Sad to think it is needed in 2013, but it is.

Jul 25, 2013 01:16 AM
Anonymous
Harold Smith

Makes you wonder what's next from this administration.

Jul 25, 2013 01:24 AM
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Chris Miller Nevada Land with Water Rights
Vegas Grand Realty and Property Management - Mesquite, NV
Land with Water Rights For Sale

When I saw this that was my first reaction, now we have directed steering and we have been taught forever that this is not only illegal, but wrong. I like Ronald's take on this. Do we really need many of the meddling agencies and all those people on our payroll?

Jul 25, 2013 01:30 AM
Elite Home Sales Team
Elite Home Sales Team OC - Corona del Mar, CA
A Tenacious and Skilled Real Estate Team

The whole idea of affirmative action was to help people and communities to become color blind.  Now we are to steer people to neighborhoods?  So, we reverse the process and are to be aware of color and convince others to move into a particular neighborhood.  I don't think I will do that.

Jul 25, 2013 01:39 AM
Gerard Gilbers
Higher Authority Markeing - Asheboro, NC
Your Marketing Master

Agents are not allowed to say many things to avoid being charged with Steering and now they are requiring us to socially engineer neighborhoods.

Jul 25, 2013 01:48 AM
Helen and Larry Prier- Re-Max Gateway - Residential Real Estate
RE-MAX Gateway- Residential Real Estate Sales - Anacortes, WA
Anacortes & surrounding Skagit & Island Counties

Tammy, Here is the government tampering with society again to make everything "FAIR". Let's just see where these unintended consequences lead us this time. What a Croc!!

Jul 25, 2013 01:55 AM
Bryan Robertson
Los Altos, CA

Ugh!  I dont' care if you look like the blue people in Avatar - I'll sell anyone a house anywhere they want to buy it as long as they qualify.

Jul 25, 2013 02:37 AM
Tammy Lankford,
Lane Realty Eatonton, GA Lake Sinclair, Milledgeville, 706-485-9668 - Eatonton, GA
Broker GA Lake Sinclair/Eatonton/Milledgeville

I was in class all morning and then playing catch up all afternoon.  I have read all your comments and I see that most of us are on the same page.  I am shocked at in Lenn.  But perhaps I've trying to avoid that it's really there in our government and they seem to be dragging race into everything they touch right now.  Sometimes I just want to turn off the news and crawl under a rock. 

I can say with a clear conscience that ability to buy is the only place I discriminate.  And add, that I work just as diligently for those buyers in lower end price ranges of investment/first home as I do for the luxury second home buyers I work with.  I don't care about the racial makeup of my own neighborhood, and I don't plan to look into that kind of data for myself or on behalf of my buyers.  That being said... I have to get back to work marketing homes I have for sale now.

Jul 25, 2013 06:33 AM
Sharon Alters
Coldwell Banker Vanguard Realty - 904-673-2308 - Fleming Island, FL
Realtor - Homes for Sale Fleming Island FL

Steering is illegal. Period. Fair Housing. Unless they are changing the rules for some 'protected classes.' I think people should live where they want to and it's not our business, nor the government's to try to influence anyone's decision.

Jul 25, 2013 12:07 PM