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Opinions About Listing Security are Widespread and Varied

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Real Estate Agent with eXp Realty of California, Inc. CA DRE #01490977

Opinions About Listing Security are Widespread and Varied

 

It seems there are all sort of opinions about security for MLS listings in my area.

 

No doubt you have seen and experienced the same, and perhaps more.

 

Some agents are very cautious, appropriately so, and safeguard the security of their clients homes.

 

Others seem to have no cares whatsoever.

 

lockboxWe are seeing more agents asking for a text with the BRE # (our California Bureau – formerly Department – or Real Estate of BRE #) on vacant homes before you can use the Sentrilock lock box.

 

While the lock box requires the electronic card all agents have who are members of our MLS, some agents are being more cautious. No doubt they have had bad experiences.

 

Other require a call even if the home is vacant and has a Sentrilock box before you can tour.

 

And while some agents include the combo for a combo box in the confidential remarks, others require you to call to identify yourself before they give out the cod.

 

An unlocked house COULD end up being a crime sceneSome agents like to keep you in suspense and NOT tell you the lock box is a combo on the MLS, and so you get there and have no access, and likely will not be able to reach the agent to obtain the code. Fortunately this is not common, but is happens more than it should.

 

And then there are those agents who seem to have no clue or cares about security.

 

I have had a couple cases where the key was provided under the mat – no lock box of any kind. I’d be pretty ticked as the client if I found out THAT was the level of security and access my home was being afforded by my REALTOR.

 

Yesterday I showed a home where the key was supposed to be under the flower pot (per the agent the night beforey, since the home was vacant…and she has a partial interest in the property). That alone raised my eyebrows a notch.

 

No key, vacant house, and the garage door was open.

 

I rang the bell, and several people emerged from the house through the garage. Turns out the agent who was showing the home was told by the listing age the garage door was unlocked and you could simply open it and walk in. Those were the showing instructions.

 

Given the security, it was no surprise that this house was a major project and the agent, perhaps, felt there was no need to safeguard the property.

 

One can’t help but think about vandals, squatters and so on.

 

Wonder if her client knows? Or cares?

 

The last breach of security, and inappropriateness, I've seen now 3 time just this year is buyer agents letting buyers in and either not accompanying them, or leaving them in the house when they needed to run off to the next appointment. Walking in the door to show and finding buyers there but no agent is, to say the least, disturbing, And this has now happened on 2 of my own listings.

 

Thoughts?

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Jeff Dowler, CRS
eXp Realty of California, Inc. - Carlsbad, CA
The Southern California Relocation Dude

Norman - well one would think, and hope, they would be aware. How can you be so inconsiderate and careless about the welfare of someone's home, no matter what the condition?!

Peter - I am surprised it has not happened. I suspect it has we just have not heard aboiut it yet. Major potential lawsuit material I would think

Jeff

Aug 10, 2013 03:01 AM
Jeff Dowler, CRS
eXp Realty of California, Inc. - Carlsbad, CA
The Southern California Relocation Dude

Kate - thank you for those excellent points. THis is why I like the electronic boxes since it is easy to traack who was there, etc. and you can't access without it. Sharing one can mean the suspension of your MLS priveleges.

Jeff

Aug 10, 2013 03:06 AM
Gary Frimann, CRS, GRI, SRES
Eagle Ridge Realty / Signature Homes & Estates - Gilroy, CA
REALTOR and Broker

I was once floored when I showed up at one of my listings and the buyers were in the house, and when I asked where their agent was, they told me that the agent had given them the combo and was running late.

Aug 10, 2013 03:17 AM
Jeff Dowler, CRS
eXp Realty of California, Inc. - Carlsbad, CA
The Southern California Relocation Dude

Andrea - it was a bit bizarre.

BLiz - combos are less common since per the MLS agents are supposed to use Sentrilock but we see them regularly. It's interesting how many agents use the same combo code on all their boxes - guess it helps them remember. LOL

Jeff

Aug 10, 2013 03:28 AM
Kathy Streib
Cypress, TX
Home Stager/Redesign

Jeff- can you see me shaking my head?  It doesn't matter the condition of the property; who wants to walk into a property where they may run into who knows what! 

Aug 10, 2013 03:50 AM
David Shamansky
US Mortgages - David Shamansky - Highlands Ranch, CO
Creative, Aggressive & 560 FICO - OK, Colorado Mtg

LMAO I am with Norman set those traps to ensure no one can buy that house ROFLMAO!!!!

Aug 10, 2013 03:51 AM
Carol Zingone
Berkshire Hathaway Home Services Florida Network Realty - Jacksonville Beach, FL
Global Realtor in Jax Beach, FL - ABR, CRS, CIPS
It's not my house, so I don't want the liability of anything disappearing from the listing, and for vacant listings, it's professional courtesy to make a showing appointment in advance just like an occupied property.
Aug 10, 2013 03:53 AM
Mike Cooper, Broker VA,WV
Cornerstone Business Group Inc - Winchester, VA
Your Neighborhood Real Estate Sales Pro

It spans the spectrum around here, Jeff.  I've had the key under the mat to not being able to get into a house the agent wouldn't respond to requests for codes.  It's one extreme to the other.

Aug 10, 2013 03:55 AM
Sheldon Neal
Bergen County, NJ - RE/MAX Real Estate Limited - Maywood, NJ
That British Agent Bergen County NJ

Yikes ! Keys under the mat ?!?!?!

I hate combo lickboxes on the rare occasions I encounter them, because I have had a few times where a buyer has somehow found the combo code and has gone back in on their own accord without a Realtor !

Scary !

Here you have to have a personalized keypad that logs your info when you use the lockbox. Much more comforting :o)

Cheers Jeff ! Hope you are doing fantastically well my friend !

 

Aug 10, 2013 05:49 AM
Richard Arnold
Keller Williams Realty East Valley - Tempe, AZ
Realtor - Tempe, Chandler, Mesa, Gilbert, Phoenix

I have gone to a listing which stated on MLS the key was UNDER A ROCK in front of the door and the rock would be very obvious.  The notes were correct.  

I have been to houses where the door latch or the lock were partially destroyed so that the door was impossible to lock from the outside.  In one case the listing agent told me of a secret key hidden next to a trash can to yet another door on the house.  There was NO LOCKBOX on the house.

Yet another time, the owner had taken the key from the lockbox, did not tell the listing agent, and when I called about the NO KEY IN LOCKBOX, the listing agent told me to break in from the back door.  I did not show that house to my clients and they were very upset having driven many miles and taken time off work to get there.  I was not about to get medieval on a door!

 

 

 

Aug 10, 2013 06:22 AM
Jeff Dowler, CRS
eXp Realty of California, Inc. - Carlsbad, CA
The Southern California Relocation Dude

Tammy - the security is important, especially on vacant REO.s Can't imagine the bank would take kindly to an unsecured property. We have agents giving out combo codes to buyers here, too

Marnie - they well be from time to time. You hear stories all the time. I have run into a few vacant homes that WERE vandalized but this did not appear to due poor security.

Jeff

Aug 10, 2013 08:26 AM
Jay & Michelle Lieberman
Keller Williams World Class - Agoura Hills, CA
Creating Calm in the Buying and Selling Chaos

Jeff:  we always put boxes on our listings.  Same deal you have in Carlsbad, we have in Agoura Hills up north a bit from you.  We can deny entry to an agent wirelessly and monitor entry by the use of the box on the internet.

Aug 10, 2013 10:19 AM
Brian Sharkey
SharkeyRE LLC - Singer Island, FL
SharkeyRE

I would walk straight out of that place and RUN!!!

Aug 10, 2013 10:32 AM
Jill Sackler
Charles Rutenberg Realty Inc. 516-575-7500 - Long Beach, NY
LI South Shore Real Estate - Broker Associate

I had one of those experiences where it was freezing cold and pouring and office would not give out combo lock code until we were at the door. The first code they gave us was wrong and we had to keep calling and calling.

Aug 10, 2013 11:05 AM
Carla Muss-Jacobs, RETIRED
RETIRED / State License is Inactive - Portland, OR

The combo boxes are the most insecure, aside from leaving the key under the mat (geez).  Anyone smart can look at homes with those combo boxes, text the agent and make up a name saying they're an agent, and then ask for the combo code.  There is absolutely nothing tracking that.

Aug 10, 2013 11:50 AM
Joni Bailey
101 Main St. Realty - Huntsville, TX
Your Huntsville / Lake Livingston Area REALTOR®

Combo boxes are the norm in my rural neck of the woods. That's why I use a showing service. As an agent, we must sign up with the showing service and they verify that we are licensed and working for the company that we say we are working for. So when someone texts and asks for a combo, I text them back the showing service phone number. 

Aug 10, 2013 12:44 PM
Jimmy Faulkner
Florida. Homes Realty & Mortgage - Wantagh, NY
The Best Of St. Augustine

We do not hire the best people to become realtors so the guilt is on us not the unfit people we bring in to the business. Like Wall Street, GREED kicks in and it is always about the money.

Aug 10, 2013 01:31 PM
Ralph Gorgoglione
Metro Life Homes - Palm Springs, CA
California and Hawaii Real Estate (310) 497-9407
Security should be of the utmost importance when it comes to managing the showing of property that we as agents do not own.
Aug 10, 2013 02:46 PM
Richie Alan Naggar
people first...then business Ran Right Realty - Riverside, CA
agent & author

The creative criminal quickly figures out the common routines and proceeds accordingly...We professionals have to kick it up a notch to offset

Aug 11, 2013 12:59 AM
Jeff Dowler, CRS
eXp Realty of California, Inc. - Carlsbad, CA
The Southern California Relocation Dude

Gary - seems like lots of people are having this or a similar experience. I suspect these agents don't see anything wrong with it, or don't think anyone will find out. If I were a seller I would be pretty ticked. The lack of secutity can be pretty shocking sometimes.

Kathy - agreed. I wold be surprised if a seller gave actual permission for handling the security of their home, vacant or not, this way.

David - ha ha

Carol - either way the lsiting agent should know who has access to the property, how and when. The electronic boxes allow that but it is easy to handle with combos to if you request the identification from the buyer agent.

Mike - here, too. I don't get why it can take days for a lock box to be put on the property, since that is the common practice here. And I've had my share of wrong combos and boxes that don't work. Making the home available to show is part of the process, isn't it?

Sheldon - good to hear from you!! And thanks for weighing in. Seems like these issues occur everywhere in some way or another.

Rich - ah, more security tales to add to the list. Amazing the stories we hear.

Jay and Michelle - it's a good system, don't you think?

Brian - imagine showing up there in the dark?

Jeff

Aug 12, 2013 01:46 PM