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DO YOU THINK CLOSING COSTS ARE ONLY $250.00?

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Mortgage and Lending with D A Griffin Financial.LLC NMLS 6380

DO YOU THINK CLOSING COSTS ARE ONLY  $250.00?

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I often see a lender's sign either display  "$250 CLOSING COSTS" or "LOW CLOSING COSTS". They get a fair share of business because of this. It benefits them if this is all a home buyer hears.

ARE YOU READY FOR SOME FACTS?

 

FACT:  MOST LENDERS CAN OFFER $250 CLOSING COSTS. Why? Because closing costs are a result of pricing.  If you want lower closing costs, then accept a higher interest rate. Done!

FACT: THIRD PARTY PROVIDERS DON'T WORK FOR FREE! My standard reply when I come up against the ONLY $250 closing cost lender, is "do you think attorneys work for free?" The cost is in there somewhere.

FACT:  PAYING A HIGHER INTEREST RATE FOR 30 YEARS IS GOING TO COST WAY MORE THAN NORMAL CLOSING COSTS PAID UP FRONT VS FINANCED INTO THE RATE.

FACT:  USING A LENDER BECAUSE THEY PROMISE TO REFINANCE YOUR LOAN FOR $250.00 IN THE FUTURE IS NONSENSICAL. At what rate is the logical question. The answer is "I don't know".

FACT:  BUYERS AND REFINANCING OWNERS NEED TO DO THEIR HOMEWORK TO GET THE BEST FIT FOR THEIR SITUATION. If it sounds too good to be true, it is!

 

When a real estate agent tells me their client uses a lender because of the low closing cost promise, my first thought is they are not doing due diligence in helping the home buyer. They can't drive the buyer to a lender, but they can sure clarify "there is no free lunch", which encourages thought about the biggest investment most folks will make.

Home buyers need to compare apples to apples. Compare the low $250 closing costs at a few lenders. 

MY ADVICE TO HOME BUYERS.... BREAK IT DOWN. ASK WHAT THE INTEREST RATE WOULD BE IF THE COSTS WERE $1000, $2000, ETC. 

 

 

Anonymous
Steve Copok

 

Hi Dora,

 

Great topic!

 

I recently pubished an update on closing costs.  The national average now is $2402,  according to Bankate

 http://www.realestateeconomywatch.com/2013/08/closing-costs-keep-pace-with-prices/

Aug 15, 2013 10:00 PM
#45
Gary L. Waters Broker Associate, Bucci Realty
Bucci Realty, Inc. - Melbourne, FL
Eighteen Years Experience in Brevard County

People think mostly of the current costs and not the long term when it comes to things like closing costs.  Yep, you are right about it!

Aug 15, 2013 10:30 PM
Rob Arnold
Sand Dollar Realty Group, Inc. - Altamonte Springs, FL
Metro Orlando Full Service - Investor Friendly & F

Some people all they care about is how much upfront and how much per month.  So they don't care what the other consequences are.  Part of why we got in the credit crunch to begin with.

Aug 15, 2013 11:07 PM
Anonymous
Randy Smith

All very well put! Another fact that coincides with this subject is that too many borrowers. and MLO's, focus on RATE instead of PAYMENT and do not adequately explore their Mortgage Insurance options, simply settling for the standard Borrower Paid Monthly premium, when in may cases, options such as Single Financed Premium can save thousands of dollars in mortgage insurance costs.

Aug 15, 2013 11:44 PM
#48
Carolyn Shipp
Source 1 Real Estate - Mineral Wells, TX
Mineral Wells Texas Real Estate

Luckily we do not have any lenders that offer those types of incentives in our area.  Based on past experience, typically in our area closing costs run between 4% and 6% of the sales price.  That is always part of the discussion when we are meeting with potential buyers...we need to know if asking the seller to contribute to closing costs is going to be part of the negotiation.

Aug 16, 2013 12:41 AM
Amanda Christiansen
Christiansen Group Realty (260)704-0843 - Fort Wayne, IN
Christiansen Group Realty

You get what you pay for!  Some of these marketing techniques are misleading.  I'm glad you wrote about this topic this morning.  

Aug 16, 2013 02:03 AM
Travis "the SOLD man" Parker; Broker/Owner
Travis Realty - Enterprise, AL
email: Travis@theSOLDman.me / cell: 334-494-7846

I haven't seen the $250 or similar Closing Costs offers in this area, but will watch and know what to do. THANKS!

Aug 16, 2013 02:24 AM
Dora Griffin
D A Griffin Financial.LLC - Fort Thomas, KY
NMLS 6380

Thanks Brian, sharing in small bites is effective with buyers I think.

Randy, I like how you think. It takes some educating about rate vs cost. Thanks for putting options out front!

Cindy, sometimes it does feel like no rhyme or reason. What makes it even harder is the powers that be who deem two ways of demonstrating costs, whether  one is a broker or banker. Very confusing for home owners/buyers. 

Carolyn, you are lucky! I drive by a savings and loan several times a week with there $250 closing cost sign displayed. 

Rob and Gary, you are right there is not enough comparision of cost vs reward.

David, your are correct it is an option, and yes  many loans don't make it past 10 years. Break even on these situations can be as low as 2 yrs, and besides rates are and have been at all time lows! Very few are going to refi out of them. 

 

 

Aug 16, 2013 02:24 AM
Dora Griffin
D A Griffin Financial.LLC - Fort Thomas, KY
NMLS 6380

You are so right about education, Ralph. When they have the tools they can make wise choices.

Thanks Travis, tell them to break it down when you see it. 

Steve, thanks for that info. If a buyer rolls out of that house in a couple of years they may want/need that closing cost money. 

Hella, of sorts that option is available (at least to brokers). I demonstrate the costs of a higher rate or lower rate. I'm not sure that much of a discussion is taking place when someone is being really sold on low closing costs.

Amanda, Jared, thanks. I'm glad I did too.

Brenda, Cindy and Lora have similar comments. I consider often the housing collapse and how many consumers did not stop and think WHY they would be getting so much better of a rate than someone they knew. I do run into it a lot though. Someone will call and tell me their friend got a really awesome rate. Often that friend either did a 10 yr or 15 yr note, or sometimes an adjustable. It is important for real estate agents and lenders to have a good, working realtionship where we know we are referring trusted parties.  And buyers, they need to listen.

Kelly, I agree, we need to educate. Buyers need to feel comfortable that they understand the basics at least.

Praful, your thinking supports my oft made comment to buyers "there is very little difference in rate availalbe, the difference is how it is offered". Anyone can give $250 in closing costs, but there is a price.

Aug 16, 2013 02:38 AM
Marte Cliff
Marte Cliff Copywriting - Priest River, ID
Your real estate writer

The Bankrate article Seve mentioned says closing costs are going up - because loan originators are charging more. 

Aug 16, 2013 03:05 AM
Ric Mills
Keller Williams Southern Az - Tucson, AZ
Integrity, Honesty, and Vast Real Estate Knowledge

Shopping around is always helpful and get's the best deal.  The lowest legitimate rates I am seeing are $750 from a lender.

Aug 16, 2013 03:08 AM
Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
Real Estate Broker Retired

Agreed but most buyers are actually too lazy to shop or bother.  I think it becomes overwhelming & in the end they are just happy with the resulting payment.  It's a confusing process with the apples to apples approach. 

Aug 16, 2013 03:38 AM
Pam Jank
Coldwell Banker Schneidmiller Realty - Coeur d'Alene, ID
Your Coeur d'Alene & North Idaho Real Estate Pro

I can't tell you how many times I've had this conversation with Buyers.  NOTHING is FREE.  If it says they are giving you a FREE $500 appraisal you had better believe they are making it up somewhere else in their charges/fees to you.

If it says your closing costs are ridiculously low... it's because those costs are either being financed into the loan or recouped somewhere in the charges/Junk fees to you.

When they don't believe me I make them ask for a "Good Faith" estimate showing all foreseeable costs/charges/fees.

If the lender refuses to do so, guess what?!!  Some actually do give a copy and "voila" there it is.. the "Hidden Costs" aka JUNK FEES......  i.e.; NO FREE LUNCH :-)

 

Aug 16, 2013 03:51 AM
Dora Griffin
D A Griffin Financial.LLC - Fort Thomas, KY
NMLS 6380

Lyn, I have to say you speak the truth. Buyers want to know what is my payment and how much money do I need. Beyond that we try and educate them to make a wise choice because there are options. 

Marte, costs have gone up a lot due to Fannie, Freddie and FHA fees. I've not seen a change in several years with title company fees (for their services). Apprasials went up with the advent of HVCC/AIR.

Good deal, Pam, keep it up! 

Ric shopping is a great idea. $750 is pretty low, considering appraisals cost $475 in our market. Some lenders, not as much as there used to be, don't require title insurance.  That can be a savings, but if the home buyer has title problems down the road, it turns out to not be a bargain.

Aug 16, 2013 04:01 AM
Paddy Deighan MBA JD PhD
http://www.medicalandspaconsulting.com - Vail, CO
Paddy Deighan J.D. Ph.D

I just read a blog that indocated that average closing costs are up 6%...does not sound like much but it really adds up!!

Aug 16, 2013 05:12 AM
Jack O'Neal
HomeSmart Elite Group - Gilbert, AZ

Interesting I have never seen closing costs that low

Aug 16, 2013 01:52 PM
Troy Erickson AZ Realtor (602) 295-6807
HomeSmart - Chandler, AZ
Your Chandler, Ahwatukee, and East Valley Realtor

It's unfortunate that so many home buyers and home owners (when it comes to refinancing) do not understand lending.  All they see is the low $250 closing costs, and just do not realize what that does to their interest rate, etc.  When you try to educate some of these people, they don't want to hear it.  They just want the discounted $250 closing costs.

Aug 17, 2013 03:16 AM
Anonymous
Dora

Jack, that is because they really aren't. I am ok with lenders saying you have the option, but to advertise it constantly when it is a function of rate just seems unfair. From those who have done this in the past I understand some fees such as recording are simply added onto the low rate.

 

Troy, at the end of the day all we can do is educate. Fortunately a lot of us have a calling for education. And, yes sometimes they don't listen. I actually had a buyer pre qualified, an excellent buyer for that matter a couple of years ago and even though I demonstrated he was paying .250% more for the $250 closing costs he still chose it because he could walk into the door and drop off his payment. That was worth paying several hundred dollars a year MORE, not that he intended to, but that he COULD.

Aug 18, 2013 11:04 AM
#62
Bob Miller
Keller Williams Cornerstone Realty - Ocala, FL
The Ocala Dream Team

We agree Dora.  We always tell buyers to ask for a good faith estimate and consider all the costs.

Aug 19, 2013 03:17 AM
Dora Griffin
D A Griffin Financial.LLC - Fort Thomas, KY
NMLS 6380

Thanks Bob! 

Aug 19, 2013 04:09 AM