Lead Generation


Lead GenerationBefore blogging many of us non-techie type Realtors purchased template websites.  800 or 900 pages of unoriginal, real estate related drivel that was duplicated onto every site they sold.  They spoke with us about SEO and our eyes rolled up into our heads until we purchased premium SEO packages from them with promises of top search engine placement and lead generation; which of course rarely occurred. 

 

We placed IDX home search (more money) on our websites and had a choice.  Either put up a form for the consumer to fill out to capture the leads, or just open it up, let them search freely and hope that they were so grateful that they would contact us – yeah right!

 

So where was the lead capture?  How did we justify the expense of these websites against the lack of return on investment (ROI) from them? 

 

We were in the throes of a hot sellers market; leads were coming in from signs, ads, marketing and advertising, word of mouth; who cared about the stupid websites?  Who had time to even think about them?  We were too busy selling real estate!  But we continued to pay for the useless sites because we knew we needed an online presence to prove to potential sellers that we had the ability to promote their listings online.  The truth be told, it was mostly crap. The websites delivered a few hundred hits a day, probably mostly from other Realtors, and generated very little business, even for the better sites. Todays blog sites are delivering thousands of hits daily.  More hits = more leads; more leads = more closed sales; it'a a no brainer folks.  

 

Money down the drain!Fast forward to the end of the Sellers Market and the dissipating incoming leads, we began to pay attention to our online presence and how we could improve it to generate leads.  Many of us discovered blogging and learned that blogging was a fantastic enhancement to a weak online presence.  For many it became their only online presence.  We learned all we could about blogging and started to write our little hearts out.  For some a few leads dribbled in for others – still nothing.  Ever wonder why?

 

Do any of you remember taking classes on putting together marketing pieces for your real estate business?  Do you remember hearing the instructors stressing the placement of “calls to action” on every single piece?  Did you forget how important that was?  Do you know that without calls to action that you are pretty much wasting your time?  Do you know what a call to action is?  You do realize that real estate blogging is a form of marketing, don’t you? 

 

Some months ago I added a footer onto all of my posts.  Many blogging purists were horrified and called it spam.  I call it a brilliant business move!  Have you seen those pretty blue buttons at the bottom of my consumer posts?  They are hard to miss.  They lead directly into my lead generation system, which of course has a lead capture and an automated drip system attached to it.  After considerable research into the many different lead generating systems available to us I realized that none of them had the potential to deliver the way 1 Park Place did.  I was right!  I am able to track where my traffic comes from on the back of my Long Beach Real Estate Blog.  I have a pretty good hyper-local blog site so the bulk of my traffic is search engine driven, but who wants all their eggs in one basket?  AR and Localism provide a fair amount of traffic that comes in straight off of those little blue buttons, as do many other sites which I have a presence on.  Do you have a footer on your posts?  Is it leading into a home search with a lead capture attached to it?  Is it working for you?

 

Recently I found myself drowning in leads I could not follow up on, I needed help fast.  I now have 2 buyers’ agents working those leads.  Yes you heard that right, my little Long Beach Real Estate blog is now providing more leads than 3 agents can keep up with.  Still wondering where the leads from that website went, I sure didn’t see them. 

 

Many real estate agents turned to purchasing leads.  Has anybody ever wondered where these companies get the leads?  I have given this a lot of thought.  Consumers weren’t comfortable signing the forms on Realtors IDX websites; are you telling me that they are going to fill out forms on big sites that are going to sell their leads to the highest bidder in any given zip code?  Do you think a buyer or seller is OK with a company assigning their business to any old real estate agent who is willing to pay?  These companies say that they get a lot of traffic and that people sign in.  They say they run PPC (pay per click) ads to promote traffic to their sites so they can corral the traffic and sell you the leads.  Where else are they getting those leads from?   Do you ever wonder?  Don’t you think a buyer or seller would prefer to deal directly with a local Realtor that they know and trust?  Consumers tell me they have been reading me for months when they contact me, the trust factor has been built.  These companies that sell leads just can’t compete with that, why give it up to them?

 

Search EnginesDo you understand how the search engines work?  Say you join a bunch of social networks and everybody is contributing real estate related articles, Q & A’s, information on forums, etc… all with keywords leading back to their local areas in the hopes of pulling in leads.  The power the networks have gives them the ability to pull you up in your local area very quickly.  But the networks are so powerful that your contributions can easily propel the social networks to drown out your own online presence; you gave it to them by contributing your local keywords to their system.  How many social networks do you belong to?  The invitations come into my email at the rate of dozens a week.  I don’t even look at them anymore.  It is overwhelming.  Imagine if all of them were at the top of the search engines in your market.  How would you get there?  You would be pushed down by your own social networking efforts which empowered them to fly right by you and render you irrelevant. 

 

I am not saying that all social networking is bad, if I believed that I would not have a presence on Active Rain.  What I am saying is that you need a plan.  You need to pick your positioning carefully and you need to manage it.  In order to manage it properly you need to learn how it ticks. 

 

Why would I purchase leads in my city via zip codes?  Most of the agents who follow up on those leads are not successful.  Most of them couldn’t capture a client.  My blog is so prominent in my area that lead is probably going to find my site anyway.  Why would I contribute to their service?  That client contacting me directly is much more powerful. It has never been more critical for real estate agents to develop an online lead generation resource.  

 

What are you doing to generate leads in this market? 

 

QuestionSpeaking of contributing to vendors services, why the heck is Brian Brady writing on the Homegain blog?  Why would any real estate professional, or lender contribute to that blog?  Brian you and I have had many conversations about lead providers and vendors.  We have discussed empowering real estate professionals to generate their own leads and connect directly with consumers, isn't that why you originally set up the Unchained Conference to begin with?  That is the basic premise of blogging; isn’t it?  Why are you contributing to a platform where they say that blogging is a waste of time?  Why are you playing kissy-kissy with these people?  Why are you contributing to their cause?   It goes against everything you stand for, you hate technology vendors.  What the heck are you doing bro?  Sumptin ain’t right here, you are being inconsistent with the very principles that you so vehemently promote.  You are not listening to me so I am calling you out on this, I hate you being there. 

 

 

 

 

 

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230 Comments on Lead Generation

Double Parked with popcorn with extra butter in hand..... and of course Chivas and water on the rocks :)

02/17/2008 09:14 PM by Desiree Daniels, Mercer County, NJ, Real Estate (RE/MAX Tri County)


I'm going to look into 1 Park Place - thanks for the information.  Congrats on doing it right!

02/17/2008 09:18 PM by Judy Greenberg- Coldwell Banker Long Grove/ Buffalo Grove Real Estate (Coldwell Banker Residential Brokerage)


Wow, that is a mouthful... I have thought about adding some call to action on my blog and I need to do it. I never really thought about how joining social networks could hurt you in your own search position. That is an eye-opener for me. And pass the popcorn for the rest of the post...because at first I thought Brian posting on homegain was fine, and now I am questioning it. 

Actually Laurie, I have been a member of Homegain since the beginning...so long that I am not on the monthly plan of 30.00 per month. If I was I wouldn't do it. But, I have listed and sold several homes a year from it. So how's that for transparency. I do have a few issues with it, which I am in discussion with Lawrence over.

So I look forward to how this discussion unfolds, and I for one appreciate your forthrightness, but would expect nothing less from you.  

02/17/2008 09:22 PM by Missy Caulk Ann Arbor Real Estate (Keller Williams Ann Arbor, Michigan)


Well, don't know about the other stuff....so I'll come back to see what's going on with that.

In the meantime, I thank you and another who helped me tremendously with my titles and tags and keywords. If not for that I would not be up there with all my blogs, website and outside stuff. I now have two websites, AR and an outside blog and two other RE sites that show up now.

Thank you Laurie....and to think .... I don't pay for hundreds and thousands of dollars for things I know not to work. And I do my own work and surely won't pay for leads.

Thanks again Laurie.

02/17/2008 09:24 PM by Celeste "SALLY" Cheeseman (RA), HAWAII Real Estate & HAWAII Relocation (Century 21 Liberty Homes -Mililani, Hawaii)


Personally, I'm parked with nachos & cheese and a tall glass of water.  I need to be full throttle for this....

 

02/17/2008 09:28 PM by Jason Sardi, Pennsylvania Mortgage Broker (First Choice Equity Group Inc.)


I think I'll pull the Jeep over in the grass next to these other two and see what happens. 

And if I had thousands of hits a day, I think I'd poop my pants...  If I had hundreds I would be beside myself.  A couple of dozen good hits a day would be pretty cool though... 

02/17/2008 09:28 PM by Lane Bailey - The REALTOR for Car People (Diamond Dwellings Realty)


Laurie,  Very thought provoking.  I add a footer at the bottom of every one of my blogs.  I don't think mine is as effective as your's but you blog has led me to reconsider my footer.  Thanks for the thought.

02/17/2008 09:28 PM by Jimmy McCall~Clarksville's Mortgage Consultant (Legacy Mortgage Services, Inc. ~ Clarksville, Tennessee)


Laurie,

I don't hate technology vendors; I use them often.  I hate the influence they have over practitioners.  I hate that practitioners bow down to them like THEY are the message.  I whole-heartedley believe that WE are the message and they are just the toolmakers.

I explained that I think that Home Gain has a useful value proposition for practitioners and write there because I think it  is worthy of exploration

02/17/2008 09:37 PM by America's #1 Mortgage Broker


OK, ready for some nachos now.  Please pass my way, Jason!  Lane, get out of the grass and come on up for popcorn and nachos.

Laurie - hungry?

I have learned MUCH from you, and plan to continue learning even more - and for that, I say a huge THANK YOU!!!

Ann

02/17/2008 09:46 PM by Portsmouth NH Real Estate ~ Ann Cummings (RE/MAX Coast to Coast - Portsmouth New Hampshire)


Ann, Honey pass some of that popcorn, Laurie is in rare form tonight!

Dez, Chivaz? You trying to burn a hole in your gut? Make me a Mohito please!

Judy, Smart woman!

Missy, Without calls to action all we are saying is blah blah blah!  Eye openers are good, no?   As far as Homegain is concerned here is a little food for thought.  If no agents in your area purchased the leads from them then the consumers would contact a local Realtor, wouldn't they?  If you were at the top of the engines there is a very good chance that local Realtor would be you!  Those sales that you made would not have had a fee on them. 

Sally, Glad to hear that you are well positioned and that I was able to help.  And it was FREE!  What about that!

Samuel, Yes I am, thanks for stopping by.

02/17/2008 09:58 PM by Downtown Long Beach Condos Long Beach Real Estate, Laurie Manny (Prudential California Realty)


I still have lots to learn, (here's the nachos Ann:-)....I agree with Brian in that WE are the message for these vendors, whomever they may be.   What vendors stand for and promote, I'm sure we'll see unfold.  For now, I'm just a AR junkie.  None the less, I'm staying tuned...

02/17/2008 10:00 PM by Jason Sardi, Pennsylvania Mortgage Broker (First Choice Equity Group Inc.)


Jason,  Full throttle with water?  You disappoint me. 

Lane, I can show you how to get a lot of hits a day.  It's not as difficult as you think!

Jimmy,  In your footer do you have a link driving traffic directly into a home search that captures leads and places consumers onto an automatic drip system? 

02/17/2008 10:00 PM by Downtown Long Beach Condos Long Beach Real Estate, Laurie Manny (Prudential California Realty)


Brian,

I think that many of the vendors need to be reacquainted with the basic premise of customer service.  That being that the customer is the most important part of the equation in any business.    It is time for the real estate community to rise up and demand service.  When vendors vie to promote themselves through their client base, to promote their own web sites in their consumers local market places, to the detriment of their clients business I have a problem with this.  These blog sites are quickly becoming the basis for our lead generation and therefore our business.  When, not if, all of these vendors pass us by and jam up the first 5 or 6 pages of the top of the search engines, the real estate community will be in service to them and have no choice but to pay for their services.  The real estate industry will have given up its power to them completely!

You are right, they are the toolmakers, they provide the toys for us to be succcessful and we pay them for it.  Homegain does not have a valuable proposition for real estate agents.  When a real estate agent can provide these services for themselves very easily there is no reason to empower these entities who will eventually bury us all alive.  

That you are there lending your superior knowledge and huge internet presence is offensive to me.  You too are a vendor.  You are my lender.  You are acting in a way that is contrary to MY business goals.  What say you? 

02/17/2008 10:11 PM by Downtown Long Beach Condos Long Beach Real Estate, Laurie Manny (Prudential California Realty)


Laurie, good point and that is my issue, as I have had people hit my other sites first, but because I submitted a proposal in one case and one time was a featured agent had to pay a referral fee. Since I have lots of sites, it has  been an issue about 3 times. If someone contacts me through my number 1 site, but then they also sign up on hg and I don't recognize the address I am stuck. 

02/17/2008 10:13 PM by Missy Caulk Ann Arbor Real Estate (Keller Williams Ann Arbor, Michigan)


So Missy what you are saying is that the very same client who Homegain referred to you also contacted you directly through one of your own powerful sites?  Yet you had to pay for the referral? 3 X's?

 

I rest my case! 

02/17/2008 10:15 PM by Downtown Long Beach Condos Long Beach Real Estate, Laurie Manny (Prudential California Realty)


THIS is a good post because YOU are credible, Laurie.  I've seen the back-end of your site because I contribute to it; I know your numbers are real.  So THIS is good advice because you are a full-time real estate practitioner who USES technology to enhance her marketing.

I hope people recognize you for what you are; perhaps the finest local real estate weblogger in terms of marketing efficacy.  I'm very fortunate because I do business with 5 agents who dominate this field.  Readers should be clamoring to this post and every one of your posts because of your success and knowledge.  You got street cred, girl.

What don't I like?  Some tech blogger telling me or you how it's supposed to be.  Some  jerk preaching the cause of disintermediation under the banner of "consumers protection" .  Some code-writer complaining that real estate agents aren't worth their money and mortgage originators are thieves...that his tech solution is the answer to the "revolution" that's about to come.

The only revolution is US taking BACK our businesses from the tech providers that conspire to hold us hostage- that revolution has started and we WILL forward it in Phoenix in May.

 

02/17/2008 10:16 PM by America's #1 Mortgage Broker


You too are a vendor.  You are my lender.  You are acting in a way that is contrary to MY business goals.  What say you?

I always thought of myself as more of a partner than a vendor.   

02/17/2008 10:18 PM by America's #1 Mortgage Broker


Brian i have always thought of you as a family member.  Writing on Homegain has reduced you to a vendor.

02/17/2008 10:20 PM by Downtown Long Beach Condos Long Beach Real Estate, Laurie Manny (Prudential California Realty)


I think Home Gain may actually have value as a tool, Laurie. especially for new agents.  I won't link to them here (in your post)  but I will provide the URL where I outline their value proposition:

http://blog.homegain.com/use-homegain-or-blog

I essentially show how an independent practitioner can "use" them like they "use" their broker; for basic marketing and to build up a database. 

 

02/17/2008 10:24 PM by America's #1 Mortgage Broker


Yea, I thought I sorta proved your point. I do submit very few proposals now because of it. Although they have said I could call if I had a question,  the way people register on my other sites is totally different than by address on hg.

02/17/2008 10:24 PM by Missy Caulk Ann Arbor Real Estate (Keller Williams Ann Arbor, Michigan)


The only revolution is US taking BACK our businesses from the tech providers that conspire to hold us hostage

 

Now that's what I'm talking about.  

 

Thinking about resigning from Homgain yet, or should I continue? 

02/17/2008 10:26 PM by Downtown Long Beach Condos Long Beach Real Estate, Laurie Manny (Prudential California Realty)


Writing on Homegain has reduced you to a vendor

WOW.  I'm sorry you feel that way. 

02/17/2008 10:26 PM by America's #1 Mortgage Broker


Brian,

Why would any agent need to use a homegain or anybody else to build thier database.  If they built a powerful hyper-local blog (it doesn't take that long) they would acquire the very same database.

 

Missy,

Now that you have your own outside blog do you really still feel the need for their services?   

02/17/2008 10:28 PM by Downtown Long Beach Condos Long Beach Real Estate, Laurie Manny (Prudential California Realty)


I'm stepping back a while and thinking.  Obviously, you've got me all riled up.  What the hell does Home Gain Blog have to do with Unchained?

02/17/2008 10:28 PM by America's #1 Mortgage Broker


Missy,

Would you explain the HG value proposition?  I don't think I completely understand it.  I know that they have a pay-per-click option and a referral-based option.  I need some education 

02/17/2008 10:31 PM by America's #1 Mortgage Broker


As I mentioned, I do VERY few proposals anymore. In fact this week it happened again, I got a referral for a listing from my stager. She told me the names and sub, turns out I had submitted a proposal to the street. I am meeting them tomorrow night at 5:30. So I have the referral from Denise dated BEFORE I submitted the proposal, it will be interesting to see how it works out.

Do you think I owe them a referral fee?

*&^% NO. 

02/17/2008 10:35 PM by Missy Caulk Ann Arbor Real Estate (Keller Williams Ann Arbor, Michigan)


Missy,

I still don't understand.  If HG gave you the customer, why wouldn't you pay them? Actually, can you start at the beginning?   Maybe I don't know what EXACTLY HG offers.  Remember, I neither buy leads nor am I a REALTOR so please dumb it down for me

02/17/2008 10:41 PM by America's #1 Mortgage Broker


Laurie -- I have worked with a major team in Florida that used the PPC leads and I can't begin to tell you the hours I wasted on the phone!  They are a complete waste of time...   I spent so much time chasing and following up with those that just wanted to look at what was on the market.   Moving back to Buffalo I took your advice.  Go local and be focused.

You are right, it is the trust factor and the leads that do come through are far more powerful.  My baby blog with no call to action button, no mls search has already netted me two phone calls, a request for a CMA (from a form on my blog) and an email thanking me for writing about the community.  It went live 15 days ago!  Much to my joy I am already showing on some of the longtail keywords.   Thank you!

I have a lovely bottle of Vidal Blanc from Niagara Landings Wine Cellars -- anyone want a glass?  Laurie I raise my glass to you!  

02/17/2008 10:44 PM by Western New York Home Sales | Colleen Kulikowski (Hunt Real Estate ERA)


Why would any agent need to use a homegain or anybody else to build thier database.  If they built a powerful hyper-local blog (it doesn't take that long) they would acquire the very same database.

Does it have to be one or the other?  Why not do both? 

02/17/2008 10:49 PM by America's #1 Mortgage Broker


Ok, it goes like this: You get an email saying someone has requested a proposal on selling their home. You pre-set up templates with your way of marketing so it is a quick submit, however,  I always add a personal note and address them personally, but all you see is their address and city. 

You click and send the proposal out. The sellers look at all the Realtors that send them a proposal. Then they can contact you personally through homegain if they want to meet with you.

They in turn are offered either moving boxes or 200.00 rebate if you work with one of "their" agents.

They have no clue we pay out a 30% referral fee to homegain. I have discussed it with many people and most are outraged. Why, because they bond with you and as they say, I have hit many web sites. Many don't even remember the name or how they found you.

Here is an example:


Contact Information:
Profile ID: 123456
Role: Seller
First Name : XXXX
Last Name : XXXXX
Email address: XXXX@XXXXX>com
Current address : 12344 Main Street
Phone : 734-555-1212

Message: Hi, Please contact me about selling my home. I would like to get some ideas from you about what to do to prepare to sell, etc. Thanks

Fill out a request and you will see all the agents that want a shot at selling your home,Brian. That is the best way to see it.  The buyer side is similiar.  

Actually, when I started using it 2002, (can you believe it?) I didn't have as many problems but in around 2005 as my own web presence developed that is when the issues started. 

 

 

02/17/2008 10:49 PM by Missy Caulk Ann Arbor Real Estate (Keller Williams Ann Arbor, Michigan)


Brian,

Why not do both?

For the very reason that Missy is having problems.  Leads coming into your database and through Homegain who you are obligated contractually to.  

If you have a successful blog you have no need to purchase leads.  If you do it right you will have more leads than you can handle and you too will need buyers agents to handle the load.   

02/17/2008 10:51 PM by Downtown Long Beach Condos Long Beach Real Estate, Laurie Manny (Prudential California Realty)


I don't use the PPC thing with them. Also Brian set up a request to sell you home in Ann Arbor,MI and you'll see what happens, I submit a proposal back to you, but make it Ann Arbor, I only do Ann Arbor and Saline. See what you are offered. Laurie, are you OK with this, hijack?

02/17/2008 10:53 PM by Missy Caulk Ann Arbor Real Estate (Keller Williams Ann Arbor, Michigan)


Oh one more thing.... I have NO problem with me getting clients through them and have never minded paying a referral fee for business except when they found me on one of my other sites. 

02/17/2008 10:55 PM by Missy Caulk Ann Arbor Real Estate (Keller Williams Ann Arbor, Michigan)


Hey Laurie, So I do have my listings advertised on many of the free sites. What oppinion do you have of them? You know like Vast, Trulia, Oodle etc.

02/17/2008 11:00 PM by Downtown Portland Real Estate Broker~Herb Hamilton (RE/MAX Preferred Inc. Realtors)


Thanks, I think I'm understanding this better, Missy. 

1-Do you get that customer exclusively or do you compete for it? 

2 - Didn't they reduce the referral fee from 27% to 22%?

02/17/2008 11:10 PM by America's #1 Mortgage Broker


Thanks for the button tip. I'm assuming you think the buttons work better than a link. Did you have a VA do them, or a graphic artist?

02/18/2008 12:55 AM by Vickie Nagy, Realtor, Specializing in San Ramon, Danville & the Tri-Valley! (Empire Realty Associates)


Herb,

Deciding what sites to place listings on is an interesting dilemma.  Some brokers send the broker load direct to some of these sites with the leads going back to them, which they then sell to their agents for a referral fee. Everybody wants a piece.  

First I make sure I get my listing post to page one.  Then you have to see which sites rank in your area and make the properties findable to the searching public.  I think we all have to decide which sites make the most sense in our geographic areas.  It's a waste of time to place listings on sites that don't rank in your area IMO.  That time could be better spent promoting the listing. 

Herb, seriously we could sit for weeks entering these listings onto all of the sites that are available to us, and then for another week going in to make price corrections.  We just have to make decisions and manage our time and listings to the best of our ability. 

02/18/2008 01:23 AM by Downtown Long Beach Condos Long Beach Real Estate, Laurie Manny (Prudential California Realty)


Brian,  Missy said earlier that several agents compete for the business, when she invited you to sign in to the service.  She also said she pays 30% referral fee. 

02/18/2008 01:26 AM by Downtown Long Beach Condos Long Beach Real Estate, Laurie Manny (Prudential California Realty)


Colleen, 

Sorry I missed you, you snuck in there.  There are some people that have good response using PPC.  Most of them spend a great deal of money and have professionals managing it for them.  Personally, I don't know anybody that has had any extraordinary success using them.  I think they may work better in industries other than real estate.  

Your new blog is having big success very early on because you moved into a market with little or no online competition.  I wish you the same continued success with it always.   

02/18/2008 01:45 AM by Downtown Long Beach Condos Long Beach Real Estate, Laurie Manny (Prudential California Realty)


Vickie, Yes the buttons work better.  A graphic designer did them for me.  I don't possess that talent, lol.  

02/18/2008 01:46 AM by Downtown Long Beach Condos Long Beach Real Estate, Laurie Manny (Prudential California Realty)


Hi Laurie,

Wow,  Everything you say makes so much sense.  I have been using a lead generation system for a few years now and I'm tired of paying for my business.  You have encouraged me to rethink what I am doing and work smarter not harder!  Thanks for the info and the popcorn.  I'll keep you posted as to my progress.  I'm new to blogging and here to stay.  I long for the day that I can generate leads and not pay for them!  Thanks for the info.  Too bad Brian didn't look into what HG was all about before he chose to participate on their blog.  That's disheartening to say the least. 

Terri - Longing to get out from paying for leads

02/18/2008 02:02 AM by Selling Homes in Western New York, Assoc. Broker, Terri Kern (Stovroff & Taylor Realtors)


Missy said earlier that several agents compete for the business, when she invited you to sign in to the service.

As a potential customer? 

02/18/2008 02:08 AM by America's #1 Mortgage Broker


Brian, In this scenario the customer is the seller, the agents are competing for the listing, homegain refers to several agents apparently the leads are not exclusive is what I am getting out of it.  

02/18/2008 04:02 AM by Downtown Long Beach Condos Long Beach Real Estate, Laurie Manny (Prudential California Realty)


Great Post with lots of information.  I appreciate the tips and success story.  I hope it keeps up for you.

02/18/2008 06:13 AM by Russ Ravary - Michigan Homes for sale - Michigan Real estate & Mortgage info (Remerica Hometown One)


Laurie - This is one of the best posts I have seen over the last few months. I agree completely with putting a footer at the bottom of your posts. In fact I did it from the moment I made my 1st blog post when I knew nothing about blogging.....it just seemed to be the right thing to do. Why do all the blogging gurus say you shouldn't do it again???? I think it is something about not trying to sell them - give me a break!

In regards to the social networks I hear what your saying. I get asked often why am I participating in so many - the answer is I don't. I do join them for SEO purposes though. Most of them allow you to link back to your website and blog creating a good inbound link. I don't participate in many of the forums like you mention. 

02/18/2008 06:59 AM by Bill Gassett Metrowest Massachusetts Real Estate (RE/MAX Executive Realty)


Laurie - This is a great post, no real surprise to me, most of yours are. The call to action is something that I need to work on, and hopefully will have completed by the end of the day. I can't think of anything more important right now.

The homegain discussion is very interesting to me, as I've never bought any leads before, and after 5 years in the business, I don't plan to start. I really don't understand why anyone with a successful business would pay for leads that should come to you anyway.

Keep up the good work. We all need to look outside the box sometimes.

02/18/2008 07:38 AM by Nashville Real Estate - Larry Brewer (Keller Williams)


Very good post Laurie. In my small market I rank higher than all the big boys on Google. There are advantages to being in a niche market. Very interesting thought process on the social sites taking over our Google juice. I need to ponder this.

Brian, Let me see if I cam simplify HomeGain's process for you. I have actually been a member for about 7 years(I think). I am one of the original members so don't pay any monthly fees just a referral on closed transaction. I used to close 3 to 4 deals a year but haven't worked it for a couple of years now. 

When a REALTOR(R) joins HG we enter the zip codes that we work in. If a buyer or seller needs an agent in these areas then ALL REALTORS(R) who have entered those zip codes get the consumer request. We then have to the option of sending over our proposal. As soon as you hit the send proposal button you are agreeing to pay HG a 30% referral if that consumer chooses to use your services.

The problem comes in because the consumer could very well just be shopping around on the Internet. They may have put in info at HG, HV or any number of lead generators. Then 2 weeks later they get a referral from a friend who suggest they use me as their broker. The consumer checks out my web/blog site and gives me a call. I meet with them and list their property. The next day I get a form from HG saying I owe them a 30% referral because I sent a proposal to 113 Redfin Dr two weeks ago that just happens to be, unknowingly to me, the house of the seller who contacted me direct after their friend gave them my name. They never even looked at my HG proposal!!!! Doesn't matter. According to the HG terms I owe them 30%.  

Laurie's concern is that your blogging efforts on HG will give HG better positioning on the searches which will therefore "capture" more consumer inquiries that they are now claiming as their "leads" and are making a profit off of selling our consumers back to us. Laurie is right.

02/18/2008 07:51 AM by Bryant Tutas-Tutas Towne Realty, Inc


Don't agents understand that when they subscribe to HomeGain and other lead generation web sites that they are letting the lead generation companies climb higher on Google.  All it does is let the lead generation companies get between YOU and the consumer. 

Agree.  Wonderful post. 

You've got the MOJO.

02/18/2008 08:01 AM by Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Real Estate


Laurie, another thought provoking post. No surprise there. I too get numerous invites to social networking groups. I have joined a few but have not created a presence. Currently I am only active on AR. I need to figure out a plan on which ones to join and contribute to. There is only so much time in a day.

I have seen your call to action buttons and wondered if they were effective. I now realize just how lame my call to action buttons are. Another thing I need to address.

02/18/2008 08:15 AM by Jill Wente - Spring TX Real Estate (Prudential Gary Greene)


When are you guys and Gals going to get it: it is about becoming the source of real, human edited, unique information originating from your website in an RSS feed, and you will not get it right without professional help.

02/18/2008 08:18 AM by Israel Rothman (SocialMediaSystems.com)


Laurie, for what it's worth, I'm with you on the buying lead sites.  I did a lot of testing for my firm in Pasadena about 4 years ago and found them all to be weak.  I haven't yet used 1 Park Place because of the cost as I am still getting settled and my blog is like a teenager now.  Hits are increasing, and some good leads but not enough yet.  I can't wait to break through to the next level.  You truly are a leader in this industry and we are all grateful for all that you share with us!

02/18/2008 08:23 AM by Lake Norman Real Estate ~ Diane Aurit (RE/MAX at the Lake)


This is food for thought. Will bookmark this and reread as you have put some thought into this.

Bonner

02/18/2008 08:24 AM by Bonner Thomason CRS, ABR, GRI, e-Pro (Keller Williams Realty)


I hate lead generation companies and could never understand why so many agents fall right into bed with them.

I've parked myself...anymore pop corn?

02/18/2008 08:29 AM by Monika McGillicuddy~REALTORĀ®~ N.H. Real Estate Broker & Trainer (Prudential Verani Realty/Hampstead)


When you buy from a lead generator, you are giving a middleman the money to buy your market and sell it back to you.

Does that make you happy?!

02/18/2008 08:34 AM by Israel Rothman (SocialMediaSystems.com)


No more popcorn Monika....   we are on to bacon and eggs

Juice anyone??

02/18/2008 08:40 AM by Desiree Daniels, Mercer County, NJ, Real Estate (RE/MAX Tri County)


WoW...... I have to come back to this and make sure I can duplicate this system. Great Post ! You have got my attention........ Can I brrow yours too ?

02/18/2008 09:06 AM by Roland Woodworth "Ft. Campbell Area Realtor" (Exit Realty Clarksville)


I  think your on to something with those buttons! I recently Put my contact info on the bottom and was considering a link to my e-mail ----- But these are direct and to the point and probably make perfect sense!

02/18/2008 09:19 AM by


Great post, I am currently planning to ad something to the bottom of my posts. I think it's a great idea.

02/18/2008 09:27 AM by JL Boney, III (Russell and Jeffcoat)


When are you guys and Gals going to get it: it is about becoming the source of real, human edited, unique information originating from your website in an RSS feed, and you will not get it right without professional help

That's quite an arrogant statement considering the present company, Sir.

02/18/2008 09:47 AM by America's #1 Mortgage Broker


Laurie...love the post, love the site, and I adore the attitude! I applaud you for stepping outside the box and working the Long Tail!

02/18/2008 10:12 AM by Brett Wilson -|South Florida Real Estate |Real Estate Radio USA| Real Estate News (Real Estate Radio USA)


Laurie- Good points in your blog, now I want some pretty buttons to add to my blogs. Have a great year in 2008.

02/18/2008 10:13 AM by Solaris Realty


Laurie,  Exceptional post.  C'mon, don't hold back.  Tell us how you really feel !  Keep up the great work.

02/18/2008 10:31 AM by Bill Gillhespy Fort Myers Beach Realtor (Century 21 Tripower Realty)


Excellent call to action.  Now I have another thing to add on to my list of things to do!  Congrats on your continued success and thank you for opening up an interesting discussion Laurie!

02/18/2008 10:37 AM by Renee Burrows - Las Vegas NV Real Estate (Nevada Realty Solutions)


Hi Laurie,

Good post.  I think we all seem to forget that blogging is just another aspect of our marketing mix.  Blogging on Homegain, posting on Trulia, AR or any number of a zillion options is just another way of getting exposure on the internet.

Yes, we may be "helping" them, but at the same time we are helping ourselves.  I personally love having the options of using a different voice to speak to a variety of people in different areas.  Not everyone hangs out here on AR 24/7.  I think our consumers are finding us on many different venues.  The more venues you are present on the more likely they are to find you.

Congratulations on your outstanding success with your local blog.  You have proven to The Blogging Powers That Be that there are no set RULES in blogging.  It has always cracked me up how some people who have NEVER SOLD  a house should determine the rules for our business. 

I think it is time for us as REALTORS to take a stand.  Technology is not driving real estate, REAL ESTATE is driving real estate. Technology is a tool, to be used how we want.

kk 

02/18/2008 10:38 AM by Kristal Kraft ~ Denver Real Estate (The Berkshire Group Realtors)


Up now in the morning to check on the activity. Great dialogue going on here. BB Thanks for braking it down in a meaningful manner. I have railed against lead generation company's for years. They truly are eroding our value. If we continue to support them eventually we will be there slaves.

The attraction of PPC or Lead aggregates appeals to our lazy sides. I know the buttons work because I have used them a couple of times recently and have tracked the results.

02/18/2008 10:43 AM by Downtown Portland Real Estate Broker~Herb Hamilton (RE/MAX Preferred Inc. Realtors)


What a wonderful discussion, I still have a boat load to learn in regards to marketing & necessitating a call to action which Laurie articulates so well.  Sometimes one has to sit back and ponder & soak up everything you can.  I'll continue to try to implement the vast knowledge that can be gained here.  Thanks Laurie & Brian.

02/18/2008 11:21 AM by Jason Sardi, Pennsylvania Mortgage Broker (First Choice Equity Group Inc.)


Laurie, I have to say you have written another classic post...all 3 ideas are worthy of their own discussion

  1. The Call to Action Buttons...marketing genius at work! Congratualtions on your success!
  2. Generate Your Own Leads, you can, you can! This message is inspiring and at the heart of blogging. I personally find it shocking that they take so much of your commission FOR AN INTERNET LEAD? Wow. Thank you to BB and all who explained this. I had no idea. That gives you an awful lot of marketing money to seek out your own internet success (by not paying Homegain)
  3. You actually called out Brian Brady...on a featured post no less. I simply could not wait to see what Brian had to say about this, and find this controversy fascinating.

 

02/18/2008 11:24 AM by Janet Guilbault, California Mortgage Expert (Peregrine Lending Company)


I think it is time for us as REALTORS to take a stand.  Technology is not driving real estate, REAL ESTATE is driving real estate. Technology is a tool, to be used how we want.

Amen, Kristal.  As you know, I've been preaching that mantra for 2 years.  The tech bloggers hate it but I don't care.  As I stated at Inman Connect, WE are the "industry.  I was reading a tech blogger's blog, yesterday, when I noticed a comment about a writer from Inman and a tech company being "industry leaders".  I asked "which industry is that?"; it surely isn't mine.

In my industry, Laurie Manny is a leader, Kristal Kraft is a leader, Bryant Tutas is a leader, Greg Swann is a leader,  Dan Green is a leader.  These are the people I watch. The in the trenches practitioners, slogging it out on the internet, fighting for the right to help people get into homes.

I appreciate your open mind about my participation on the HG blog but I must admit that I was not prepared for the backlash that participation incited.  I think I'm going to have to better evaluate their allure to  (and equally as visceral disdain from) agents. Laurie makes a great point when she says that I organized a conference to help agents win  the Web 2.0 game yet support a purely Web 1.0 offering.

Herb,