The other day I wrote a blog called, "An Ethical Dilemma - To Stand or Not" that told the story of my going to aAmerican Flag concert where the US Marine Corp had come on stage in order to recruit.  The MC attempted to cloak this recruiting effort in a veil of patriotism by encouraging everyone "to stand to show our support for the troops".

I was in somewhat of an awkward position in that we were attending the concert as a guest of my girlfriend's employer and I am animately against the War in Iraq, as well as the idea of recruiting young people to fight in it.  The long and the short of it was that I sat my fat ass back down and didn't participate.  My girlfriend saw my actions and even though we were the only people in that box to have done so, she joined me in sitting down.

The next day I wrote about the experience in a public post and one of my regular readers questioned me about whether or not I should be so public in my disapproval of the war.  He asked me during the phone conversation if I wasn't afraid of alienating a potential client who may read this post, if they disagree with me.

I thought about it. 

"Hmmmm, yeah it's one thing to have an opinion, but it's another thing to express it publicly. Especially if the subject of that opinion is fairly controversial."

Rush LimbaughBut then I thought about it more and came to the conclusion that as long as I'm respectful and am careful to examine both sides of an issue, why should somebody be alienated because of my political opinion?  If they are too closed minded to accept the fact that I am a caring, thinking individual who retains his right to be able to express his opinions, then screw them!  I probably wouldn't want to work with them anyway!

Not that I don't need the money...did I mention that I still have two kids in college?  But when it comes to important issues of the day such as the War In Iraq or Global Warming or the legalization of drugs, don't I almost have a responsibility to utilize what limited bully pulpit I command to get the word out?  Especially considering that some of my views are what you might call controversial?  If I don't speak out for them, who will?

So, from a business point of view I guess that it comes down to doing the math.  Do I gain more business from writing about my views than I lose because some people won't agree with me?  I honestly don't know.

I do know that I had a polysci professor in college who told me, "Bob, it's not important what they remember you for as much as it is that they remember you!"  He then went on to predict that eventually, that if he lived long enough, that Richard Nixon would be labeled an "Elder Statesmen".  About a year before his death I noticed a news magazine that had the title, "Richard Nixon, An Elder Statesman?"  Pretty wild, huh?

A while back I got into a fight with the Better Business Bureau here in St. Louis.  They were pissed off at meThe BBB Logo because I had mentioned on my web site that, "I was a proud member of the Better Business Bureau of Eastern Missouri and Southern Illinois".  This was a true and accurate statement.

When they wrote me a nasty letter demanding that I remove that statement from my web site, I wrote them back and had the audacity to ask them why?  They wrote me a nastier letter back stating that it was against the organizations by-laws to publicly state that you were a member...that is...unless you paid them an additional fee in order to be able to say that!

I'll be honest,Bill McClellan I thought that was unethical for them to behave that way and I told them.  Long story short, I got booted because I refused to apologize for having told people in the first place that I was a member and for calling them a secret society on par with the Ku Klux Klan and The American Nazi Party!

They issued a press release announcing my having been booted and I did what I think every thinking business person would have done at that point, I called a reporter!  

A local columnist, Bill McClellan wrote about our fight in the St. Louis Post Dispatch.  After his article appeared, I received hundreds of phone calls, emails and letters telling me how much they appreciated my standing up to the BBB.  I only got a couple that thought that I was out of line.  As a result of the fight and the story I ended up picking up several transactions that I wouldn't have if I hadn't been willing to stand up for what I thought was right.

So, the conclusion that I've come to is that it makes business sense to be willing to express my views as long as I do it in a respectful manner.  I'm curious though,what do you guys think?

 

R.B. "Bob" Mitchell

ValueList Real Estate Services, Inc.   

 

Bob Mitchell is the president of ValueList Real Estate Services, Inc., St. Louis' largest discount/full-service real estate and mortgage company.  To find out more about Bob, ValueList or our flat-fee listing program please feel free to visit our web page, valuelistre.com  

 

15 Comments on Expressing Your Opinions - The Business Ramifications of Blogging

FEB
19
2008
211,313 Points 16 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Bob,
I agree with you completely....and I think it's a very sad day when the army starts trying to pull young people in by giving a pep talk at a concert that has nothing to do with war or the army.  Wow.  The USA is becoming very Orwellian.

Jo 

12:19pm • #1

Bob, it's my humble opinion that you can show support for our troops without showing support for the war in Iraq. As a prior service member I can honestly say had I seen you take your seat I would have been somewhat offended. Not enough to ruin my day mind you, but if you were MY guest it would be the last time you had that honor. Not to mention you forced your girlfriend to choose sides of an argumant she may not have cared about in the first place. Even if she feels exactly the same way you do about the war, chances are she would noy have chosen that time to make her "political statement."

I fully support your right to sit, and I fully support your right to say whatever you want on your blog. After all, that's one of the many reason I served in the first place. To make sure your right (and mine) to free speech would continue to be protected. However, your refusal to stand was NOT a political statement. Since you were not asked to honor the politicians, but rather the service members that would give their lives to protect your right to make a political statement. Obviously you didn't take the time to explain to everyone that saw you your political opinion, so the assumption would be that you were being disrespectful.

Your polysci professor was wrong as well. The vast majority of baby boomers would say Nixon was a crook, and one journalist saying he was an "elder statesman" did not remove that stigma from him.

 

Like I said, I support your right to say and do whatever you want as long as it doesn't infringe upon someone else rights. Hopefully you feel the same about me.

 

12:28pm • #2
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Bob, I agree with you that we should speak our minds. Never hide who you are, instead be proud and stand up for what you believe in. As stated, you can view your opinions as long as they are respectful. Like I've said before here on AR, we can "Agree to Disagree". It makes life interesting.
12:28pm • #3
142,268 Points Outside Blog
Bob, the BBB blew me away. I would love it if a company stood up proudly and said they were a member. I would look at that as free advertising. Guess I don't have a "Better Business" philosophy with the same thoughts you had on that particular subject.
2:20pm • #4
147,548 Points 6 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Jo-Anne:  it was kind of Orwellian.  I honestly don't mind the services recruiting.  That is part of what having armed forces is about.  My problem was with them hiding their true intentions under a veil of patriotism.  If they had been more upfront with it, I wouldn't have had a problem with it.  It was when they attempted (successfully, I might add) to confuse the issues here...that I had a problem with it!

Jim:  I don't know if you had a chance to read my other post on this subject that I linked to, but in it I mentioned that I was torn.  Those individual soldiers do deserve respect....even if they are recruiters they have and are doing their jobs for us.  I didn't mean any disrespect towards any of those individuals.

That said, wrapping this war effort in a patriotic disguise and attempting to force it down our throats was wrong.  If they want to recruit, then cool.  Let them set up a booth outside the concert, but to cram it down my throat by placing it under the guise of "supporting our troops" was taking it too far.

You also have a point regarding the fact that I was a guest at a company function.  That did play into my decision to sit.  I hesitated and while it was a split second thing, I did consider "their" feelings in my deliberation.  The conclusion that I came to was that my moral and ethical considerations were more important than their political ones.

As far as "making" my girlfriend sit down....ohhhhh, you don't know her very well, do you?;-)  She's a strong will, free thinking person and sits or stands on her own will.  

I disagree with you whole heartedly about my not standing being a "political" statement.  I think that it was pretty close to the definition of a political statement!  

Regarding Nixon...yeah, you're probably right that history does judge him fairly harshly, but a lot less harshly that it did back then.  I googled him and only one of the articles on the first 2 pages was about Watergate.  The rest were biographical.   My professors point does hold some truth in our society though.  He is being remembered first as a politician. 

And I do support your right to express our opinion.....thank you for the comment...oh, by the way...I spent 8 years in the US Navy!  Seabees!  We build, we fight, we party all night! ;)

Dawn:  Thanks for the kind words....after writing these posts, I thought about some of my more recent clients and I'd have to say that a good number of them have actually been fairly conservative.  Makes you wonder, doesn't it?  Thanks again for the comments

Durane:  That whole BBB thing was a trip!  I actually contacted a lawyer about suing them over the press release because it was indeed not factual in that they said that I had been expelled because I failed to obey the by-laws.  I had actually removed the statement and the use of their name per their request.  If I had apologized to them (which is nowhere in the bylaws, by the way) I would have been able to stay.  I couldn't ethically do that, so I was booted.  

I gave them the opportunity to correct themselves and they refused.  My attorney was eager to go after them, but I choose not to because of time constraints.  Thanks for the comment!

 

Bob Mitchell

ValueList Real Estate Services, Inc. 

 

3:13pm • #5
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Well Bob...I guess you kind of figure that I agree. I never shy away from voicing my opinion. And I respect people that do whether I agree with them or not

And don't get me started on the BBB. I don't join any associations where all I have to do is write a check. Except for NAR and that's reluctantly!!!

3:59pm • #6
FEB
20
2008
142,268 Points Outside Blog
Bob, would have done the same, good call.
4:06am • #7

Bob,

First I agree with you about the BBB, It's an organized con. Do the ratings help sometimes? Yes. Is it really a sales organization first and a consumer advocate second or maybe third? Yes.

Mixing your politics (or religion) with business -No!

Unless your in the business of politics I think mixing the two sooner or later will cost you. Does that mean you should stay out of political opinion. No. Exercise your right.

In business you have to make a decision. Who do you want to be.

The political guy who also works in real estate.

Or

The real estate professional who has a political opinion.

Life is not fair. You cannot be both. 

Concerning the  event you attended. I'm not sure I would have handled it they way you did. 

As a guest at someones function I would have found a better venue to make my opinion known.

Thanks for reading my opinion even though I don't agree with you on this one. 

6:11am • #8
147,548 Points 6 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Thank you all for the input on this post!  I'm usually not as torn about an issue as this one has made me.  I really appreciate ALL of your opinions!

Bryant:  I did figure that you would agree with me on this one...at least the part about being willing to express your opinion.  Regarding the BBB, I'm amazed that people and the press hold them in such high regard.  Considering that they claim the moral high ground in regards to business ethics, I was EXTREMELY disappointed in them when they wouldn't even tell me an outline of the procedure to question a by-law.  Speaking about them being a sales organization....it wasn't more than a year or so after the newspaper articles and such that I got a call from them soliciting me for membership!

Duane:  Thanks for the support!

Lee:  Actually, I just saw that you were the one that mentioned the BBB being a sales organization...it is funny that all you have to do is write them a check! (further mixing your and BB's comments).

Regarding mixing politics and business....as I mentioned, I am torn.  Since I joined AR I have attempted to write what I hope is at least an "interesting" blog and in doing so my political leanings have seeped out.  I don't know if you can write a public posting 3 or 4 times a week without it coming out.  Also, due to some writings that I had already done here locally that had nothing to do with real estate, the cat was pretty much already out of the bag.

Thank you for your comment!  Being that some of my political leanings aren't always the most popular positions...or at least "politically correct" positions to have, you're probably right.  I should probably keep them to myself.  That said, it's kind of like having a really fast car and not taking it out for a spin every once in a while!  Know what I mean?

 

Bob Mitchell

ValueList Real Estate Services, Inc. 

11:42am • #9
FEB
27
2008
865,144 Points 68 Featured Posts Outside Blog

I have no problem with what you did, you did what you believe was right. I have a problem with people that have an opinion and aren't willing to listen to others opinions. I love it when people take others to court over their opinion, because they see their opinion as the only one that counts. It is always about freedom of speech until you say something bad about them! (And that is not what America is about)

12:35am • #10

I have no problem with your sitting or standing.  That is one of the beautiful things about our country: Freedom!  My opinion about what you did is neither here nor there, because at the end of the day I don't want to here your opinion about political choices I make.....

God Bless America!

8:07am • #11
147,548 Points 6 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Todd and D:  Thanks for the comments!  Todd, I think that you're right.  It is important that people stand up for what they believe, while at the same time being tolerant of what others believe.  

D, I have to say that I disagree with you.....your opinion and that of others is important in that people sharing their opinions and being willing to discuss them in an open and, if not friendly, at least tolerant atmosphere leads to people learning and growing.

If all you ever do is talk to people who agree with you, your world will start to get smaller and smaller.  Even if somebody disagrees with you and espouses some position that is way off the wall, just having the discussion with them will sharpen your mind and hopefully make you look at the validity of your position.  Hell, you might even find that you end up modifying your position?  You never know?

Again, thanks for the comments!

 

Bob Mitchell

ValueList Real Estate Services, Inc.   

11:43am • #12
I think you should file a complaint with the BBB about the BBB!
2:33pm • #13
FEB
28
2008

Hey Bob,

For some reason I just couldn't express myself correctly yesterday! What I was trying to say is I'm old fashioned when it comes to politics, I try and stay away from that conversation when it comes to business. Social events, barbcues, etc..... who cares....let talk/debate/whatever!  Believe me I'm an underwriter....I talk to people who don't agree with me All The Time! L.O.L.

and as far as modifying my position...you never know: It's happen before!

5:54am • #14
147,548 Points 6 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Hey D, I know how that goes!  I didn't mean to get down on you...I just read what I wrote in response to your comment and it did sound a bit harsh, I apologize.  Anyway, I'm actually like that at social functions too.  It's kind of wild, since I've been getting published (I write commentaries for the St. Louis Post Dispatch from time to time) people will seek me out at various mortgage banking and real estate functions just to argue with me.

I love a good debate, but can we wait until I'm done flirting with the good looking brunette? ;-)  

And an underwriter "modifying" her position?  It reminds me of a joke...."two Irish guys walk out of a bar....."Hey, it's possible!" ;-)

Thanks for the comment and you have a wonderful day!

 

Bob Mitchell

ValueList Real Estate Services,Inc. 

10:05am • #15

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