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“Oh the times they are a changin.” Dylan, you poet/prophet, you.

I hear a lot of Realtors talking about the fact that, no matter how much information is made available, people still want and need the warmth and security of caring human relationships and that, technology notwithstanding, relationships will still form the foundation of business and the future of Realtors. I’m trying hard to agree.

what ifBut what if we’re all wrong? What if relationships as we currently define them become a relic of the past? What if what most people want from a relationship radically shifts? How could that happen?

In case you hadn’t noticed, two of America’s Values have become:
  • We value speed; and
  • We value the lowest price. 

The Internet, blink of an eye technology advances and a robust entrepreneurial culture have combined to make those Values achievable. But speed and price are made possible at the cost of numbing down (and maybe eventually eliminating) the Values upon which traditional relationships and long-term loyalties have been built. And if speed and price become the foundation of relationships, delivering them –every time – becomes the ante to be in the game.

Consider this possibility. Most of what are seen as today’s transaction complexities could be built into a manageable matrix of tasks that will be routinely and competently handled by a trained staff of administrative people who are paid modest salaries. Only the most complex problems will require individual attention by a relatively small number of highly trained professionals. Marketing will be done by people who fully understand technology, the psychology and techniques of brand-building and who are capable strategists. The role and importance of Realtors would change radically. So will the definition of relationships and the Values/behaviors that drive those relationships.

Envision this. 20% of the kind and number of tasks needed to complete a normal real estate transaction probably account for 80% of the quantity of transactions done (Pareto’s Law, aka the 80/20 rule). In other words, 80% of all purchases and sales are routine and require no special handholding or expertise. So by focusing attention on those 20%, it would be possible to routinize and automate 80 per cent of all transactions – a large majority. Certainly large enough to create an industry shift.

If this were to happen, the automation of tasks would mean that a Realtor could handle many more transactions than they currently do. And since the Internet would be the primary source for clients and Realtors to meet and establish new relationships, two major changes would occur: fewer Realtors would be needed – a lot fewer; and only those Realtors with a strong Internet presence would have a chance to survive this Darwinian change.                                                   

Many people consider this premise ridiculous; impossible. For you folks in that camp, I offer this: Newspaper publishers believed that the Internet could never cut into their advertising revenues or their readership. Most auto dealers believed that no one would ever buy something as personal as a car on the Internet. And travel agents believed that the personal services they provided, the expertise they possessed and the relationships they built over years could never be replaced by anything as impersonal as the Internet.

stuckWhat keeps people stuck in the current paradigm of relationships is the belief that the definition of relationships will remain the same. That belief stops creative thought. So whether or not my premise will come to pass is not the central theme. What is central is that we suspend our beliefs and go to a place where today’s realities shatter and we can envision a future that is not an extension of the present.

In that new place, here are two big questions: What will be the new definition of a relationship? How will you establish trust?

These are a couple of questions that Jeff Turner and I are wrestling with as we speak. So here’s my request/invitation. Join the conversation. Put your thoughts together and tell me what you think might be the new definition and shape of relationships between Realtors and their clients in this future reality. Together, we might just come up with some great ideas for transitioning to the future.
 

28 Comments on Relationships - New Definitions For Old Words

JAN
29
2007
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At least 80% of my clients become like family.  I don't think that is going to change.  I enjoy it too much.
1:26am • #1
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Bill,

Everything you said is true and you have most likely just defined the future of the industry.   Survivors will possess automation that works like clockwork combined with incredible organizational and managment skills.  Our jobs will become more and more administrative and technological.  Listings will most likely become automated, we may actually see a day when we don't even meet most of our sellers.  

When this futuristic model comes to pass it will open opportunities to list properties statewide with service related industries that take care of showings, photographs, lock boxes, signs, inspections........... all automated.

Trained staffs with Staff Realtors acting as account execs for the inevetable problems that arise. The elimination of the personal Realtor for a corporate one?

So does this mean we are spinning our wheels now trying to survive in a failing industry instead of moving the process right along and embracing it?

Sounds awfully cold.  Wonder how the sellers and buyers that need human kindness to get through the deals will handle it? Who are they going to freak out on when they get stressed out?  Who is going to explain the process to them over and over again and constantly reassure them that it is all going to be fine?  Customer service department?

Just random thoughts.

 

 

2:57am • #2
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Hi Bill, I just ran across this post this morning, so I'm going to have to ponder this today and get back with you. Very interesting.
7:50am • #3
Laurie...Thanks for your response. You raise some great questions and make some good points. 

What I have posed is one scenario among many possibilities. And, worst case, it won't happen tomorrow. But it will seem like tomorrow if no one prepares for the possibilities of a new world. 

I think your last comment about a Customer Service Department handling upset, anxious, scared clients could be right on. It's consistent with an institutional approach to transactions.

The challenge every Realtor faces and the path to success in a new set of realities lies in the invitation I made in my post: What do you think will be the new definition of "relationships - from the consumers' perspective?" What will consumers value? How will they use what they value to choose their Realtor? Or the company they want to deal with? And what must Realtors do,have, be to remain successful?

And I also believe that there will always be that 20% of transactions - and people - who fall outside the walls of conformity. Thanks again.  
9:02am • #4
ARDELL...Thanks for your response. Help me understand the full impact of what you said. Are you saying that no matter what changes occur in the real estate world, that you are exempt?
9:04am • #5
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Bill,

I think you bring up some very valid points.  Technology and the internet has had a vast effect on every aspect of all of our lives.  And words to the wise if you don't stay current, embrace change and learn to love it you are going to be sitting in the dust.

In some ways I think it has improved and enhanced a few of my relationships with friends and family and has made it so much easier, quicker and effortless to stay in touch whether they are here in the states or my family in Norway.  I love it.

In terms of the general public and relationships.... you know, is it that must different that talking to someone on the phone?  Seriously, you could make and appointment to show a home with someone on the phone OR the internet... and trust is developed from actions.  Did they show up?  Did they do what they said they were going to do?  Did you as a REALTOR follow through and do what you said YOU were going to do?

Ultimately....... I believe trust is built on actions whether they be in person or via the internet.

Thanks for the thought provoking post.

11:55am • #6
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Bill... Hmmm definitely food for thought..there is no question there will be changes in the real estate business in the future.. some will relate to fees and some to how business is conducted. But I'm not sure you will see a time when the majority of people will buy a home on the internet without personal interaction anymore then they will marry someone they find on the internet without some type of traditional courtship.  

Everyone loves the travel agent comparison but I'm don't think it really applies to real estate. Buying an airline ticket is a lot different then buying a house.  A ticket has no intrinsic value.. it is a piece of paper.  What do you really need to know about buying a ticket from LA to Vegas. You pick a time and a price and go... unless you need customer service because something goes wrong.  That's when you find out that maybe buying from the internet wasn't so cheap and easy and that paying a fee to a travel agent would have been a better choice.  Have you ever tried to resolve something with an airline and gotten  Joe in Mumbai.  Suddenly that $20 fee to a travel agent seems very inexpensive.

 

 

12:12pm • #7
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Bill,

"What do you think will be the new definition of "relationships - from the consumers' perspective?" What will consumers value? How will they use what they value to choose their Realtor? Or the company they want to deal with? And what must Realtors do,have, be to remain successful?"

In the scenario described they will not be choosing a Realtor.  They will be choosing a Listing Company, just like we now choose an insurance company, probably based on price and familiarity of trade name.  There will not be a "personal relationship" because there would not be an actual personal Realtor.  The way the media is portraying us now is instilling mistrust of Realtors into both Buyers and Sellers.  I think it is easier for the general public to accept mistrust of a corporation, which we have come to accept, than mistrust of an individual.  Individuals seem to be held to a higher standard than institutions in our society. 

Buyers will probably be able to download lists of properties and fill out a questionnaire online stating the terms under which they wish to purchase and get an automatically generated purchase contract.  So where does the creativity and experience fit into this mold.  We are always coming up with new ways to negotiate a contract between a buyer and a seller to make a fit. 

My thoughts are all jumbled up on this one.  My mind is racing faster than I can organize the thoughts.  I have been busy putting the company together, in my mind, that will be handling the scenario you propose and my thoughts are endlessly going back to the buying and selling process.  There would be tremendous losses for the Sellers and Buyers when they lose the personal touch, but what are the gains.  It is just handled differently, maybe they save a few dollars because it has turned to mass production, but they lose the creativity that can only be generated by a human mind and is unique to their current situation. 

I think the new scenario will keep the lawyers very busy.

Just some more random thoughts,

12:58pm • #8

would love to hear more...been good blog here.

I think times are changing for the better.

www.absolute-mtg.com
1:18pm • #9
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Hey Bill.  How about "The more things change, the more they stay the same"??

I believe its a serious mistake to compare real estate brokerage with the purchase and sale of any other type of property or service.  The intrinsic value of "home" has value.  Comparing homes to cars, airline tickets, equities, etc. is apples to oranges. 

Our own processes, record keeping, advertising, contracts, case tracking, etc. can be automated but that is merely introducing efficiencies to the transaction.  But, I dont see a SEA CHANGE in real estate brokerage for the near future.  Technical advances are merely efficiencies, not substitutes for the act of buying a home. 

Lenn

2:47pm • #10
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Bill...

I am with Lenn and Ardell on this issue. Although this is a thought provoking post I don't see the nature of what we do changing any time soon. The one thing that can not be found on the Internet is the human touch. When it comes to Real Estate people need people. Isn't there a song for that one? People who need people...La La La La...Are the luckiest people  :)

Okay. I have that out of my system, so now I'll knock it off :) I'm going to sit back and listen to what others have to say about all of this. I see that my husband, Broker Bryant, will be coming back with his thoughts. When he speaks, he speaks for the both of us. We are a team and we rarely disagree about anything related to Real Estate :)  

Consider me parked on your post :)

 

 

4:17pm • #11
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Bill,

I think you have done an excellent job of describing what is right around the cornet and in some cases I think may already be happening - there are some power teams within some power brokers who do an incredible job of building system on top of system.

Unlike the old business model, when a REALTOR retired and he could sell his 'book of business' - even if it were just referral fees, the retiring agent of tomorrow will not be selling clients - because they have no loyalty - the agent of tomorrow will be selling the systems to generate and maintain clients.  That is the future of this business - systems - but yes the personal touch will always be required; its' just without loyalty how far can the personal touch continue to go?

Now Have a Blessed Day,

John Occhi, Hemet CA REALTOR
http://www.johnocchi.com/

5:01pm • #12

Bill,

Alot to take in.  I will give this some thought and may comment later

6:17pm • #13
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Bill:

I agree...up to a point.  I think the internet offers a tremendous opportunity for a Realtor and consumer to meet!  The Realtor then has an excellent opportunity to "own the customer for life" through use of said technology.

Americans do value speed and price; it's a definition of our self-centered existence.  (N.B- I'm not complaining.  I hate to wait in line.  I am #1 in my consumer mind and YOU better think so, too) The true winner in the "new world" will be one who can stroke the consumer's ego while delivering both things. 

7:50pm • #14
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OK Bill, I'm back. "Relationships" and how will they change. Let me give you a true example of what I did earlier this evening. I went to meet with a potential Seller who has been "trying" to sell their house for a year. They are divorced and own the house together. The judge had decreed that the house be sold and the proceeds split 50/50. The wife lives in the house the x-hubby has moved out.

The wife initially went FSBO asking $325,000 for the house. After 3 months the x-hubby hired a REALTOR(R) who placed the house on the market for $255,000, that was 6 months ago. The hubby wants this house sold very bad so he can get on with his life, the wife does not want to sell since she is living there and has made it next to impossible for the house to be shown and has not kept it clean.

Well I met with with both of them tonight and the hatred in the room was very thick. These folks desperately need to close this chapter in their lives and move forward. Wife does not want to give the house away and hubby just wants it sold. They have a court date scheduled for the 16th of February for the judge to try and sort it out again. The biggest argument tonight was who was going to clean the house and mow the lawn so the house could be shown to potential buyers.

Anyway to make a long story short, my presence and my ability to be a calming force doused their flames of hatred and I was able to get them to agree to price the house 10% below market value at $229,000 for a quick sale. To help with the other issues I agreed to have my lawn service and my cleaning crew go through the house and get it market ready. I will pay for this and they can reimburse me at closing.

My years of experience in dealing with people and their problems enabled me to get these two to focus on the end result so we can get their home sold quickly and they can move forward. With out me being there they would spend the next year or so in court and fighting over the house. That my friend is the "relationship" that sellers and buyers need. It's why my services are valuable and why I will not be replaced by a computer program or a limited service biz plan. Maybe that puts me in the 20% but that's OK, I never liked crowds to begin with:)

8:42pm • #15
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Intriguing post, Bill. My initial read, without thinking too much, leads me to agree with Lenn, TLW, Bryant, Kaye, and others. Certainly the nature of how we do business has changed, but I don't think the technology will take away the essence of what we do outside of the paperwork and other objective tasks. You've certainly provoked some thoughtful comments and issues to consider going forward.

Jeff

9:00pm • #17
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I think as we move into the future housing will become more regulated (building codes etc.) so there will be less margin for error if you know what I mean.  You know you're gonna get pretty much the same experience flying Frontier or United.  I think that one of the biggest 'problems' that occur in real estate transactions are when someone is being dishonest in some way (buyer, seller, agent, loan officer), by automating the process much of that would be eliminated.

I feel I have connected with many here on activerain.  I have good 'relationships' with them.  I have read their blogs so when I talk to them, even for the first time it isn't awkward; we feel we know eachother.  I have people here that I sincerely care about that I've never actually spoken to on the phone (Rich Jacobson is one:)) With video conference calling you can have a conversation on the phone that is almost as good as the real thing.

There are some companies I really enjoy speaking to over the phone, not my credit card company or insurance company, but, for example, my web hosting company and the shipping company we use.  I always end the call feeling good and smiling.  They were nice to me, they solved my problem....

I do however really get frustrated when I call a helpline and am routed to a call center in India.....

Those are my initial thoughts

11:19pm • #18
JAN
30
2007
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Bill,

There was a line in a movie that every woman has exactly the love life that she wants.  Same with all relationships.  We have exactly what we want.  There are thousands upon thousands of people who buy and sell real estate.  I choose the relationships.

What I've found is that the most internet oriented, excel spread sheet, think they want a Redfin types, drop it all the minute they find someone they trust to have their back.  The trends are created by people who can't find someone "good enough". 

There is no such thing as only one way Real Estate.  As long as there are differences among people, there will be enough clients for everyone in the type they choose.  I choose people who need a good agent.  The rest can go to Redfin :)

12:11am • #19
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There is no such thing as only one way Real Estate

nothing could be more true 

1:04am • #20
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Bill,

Fascinating post! I have to agree with you whole heartedly, because it's changing right under our noses!

As a younger realtor, from the moment I entered the field and hit the ground running, I worked almost exclusively with internet-generated buyers (not by choice, but by necessity). I started as a loan officer at age 20 and as an agent at age 23. None of my friends were in the market to buy, and I had few connections. I was consistent and followed through with my internet clients. If I told a client I would do something (send out a list of homes, find out a particular detail about a particular home) I did it, and always energetically and willing to serve. I started developing patterns for how to bring clients from one stage to the next, and soon figured out how to qualify clients at different stages of the buying process, and not waste time on them if they were not ready or eager to buy within the next 30-60 days. 

Simple things I'd learn from my clients would shock me. Over the phone, on my first call to them in response to their inquiry, they might mention that they had specifically asked another realtor they had spoken with for info on one-story properties, but the agent hadn't listened and emailed them gobs of two-stories as well as mobile homes. I was horrified at first. I thought, "What sorts of things do I do that they never tell me about?" and later, "How could the agent not listen?"

 

I believe that for a good handful of agents, they don't operate their business the same way they require their doctor or dentist to do. The inconsistency, lack of follow-through, and poor ethics is not their strongest testimony.

 

What you write, Bill, at first glance seems very scary. No one wants to believe they will be squeezed out of the market, that the market will change so much, their expert services will no longer be needed. And, if I hear you right, that is not what you are saying. In fact, you are saying the market will change (undeniable), and that many agents will leave the field. Even in California, this is not so hard to believe. Based on which ever stats you choose to use, 20% of agents do 80% of the business... perhaps now this number is even further skewed, but not by the market changes in real estate, but by the recent boom that is now fading away, which made real estate appear like a profession where money fell out of the sky. Thousands more jumped into the field, dreaming of easy money. Is it something like 1 in 4 adults in CA have their license? (Could that be right?)

In fact, the majority of agents close a few deals a year, aren't at the top of their game, and maybe don't care to be. They want easy money. Do you have a friend who claims he or she is an agent, but you don't see numbers from them? What is it they do, if they have no clients, with their days? Do they wait around, or go get the business?

 

I started out as a stuttering and awkward-around houses young adult, who was even more awkward and uncertain-of-herself in-person, working with many clients twice my age. As far as I could see, I had the odds stacked against me. I didn't listen to the odds. I emailed, called, and befriended internet leads.  I put in the hours it took and was willing to fall flat on my face learning how to make it work. Everyone else in the industry was touting marketing to your social group, farming, etc. I have never farmed, and only two properties I sold were to clients I knew on any level before they became my clients. In my first 16 months I closed 30 transactions, 28 which I cultivated through internet leads. 

 

Others are skeptical, but I am not. I sit speechless in awe of how simple ActiveRain and the new Localism make it delivering one's message as an expert in a market area. Over and over again, I found that the number one reason my clients chose to work with me was my level of expertise. This had to do with how much I devoted myself to researching for their ideal homes, how familiar I made myself with the market, and how well I conducted myself ethically and professionally. Localism.com is great because it allows me as an agent to get that expertise out to the consumer directly, instead of having to waste time on formalities to finally meet them and "prove" my expertise in person. As the originator of the expertise, I am the source of meeting their needs. Why at that point would they choose to work with someone else? Even as a loan officer, I had a tight penny-pinching, hard-line negotiating client tell me that they chose me over another loan provider simply because they admired my level of expertise and comprehension in the field. It was that level of expertise they wanted in the person handling their transaction.

 

Because of Localism's structure, within a short time, it will ensure number one or two or three ranking in search engine rankings through the US. It will carry far greater power than an individual blog, solely because the strategy behind its system and how search engine optimization is done will surpass the reach of a lonely blog. Clients searching for my market area will come across article after acrticle as well as picture after picture of evidence of my expertise. What's best? It will be free for me. I won't have to spend any more money marketing myself unless I choose to. And like things that become stable and a part of life, and with which soon people no longer remember how to live without, both ActiveRain and Localism will be so imbedded in the consumer's mind that life without the internet and our currently changing markets will seem foreign to us. We will have adapted, and thrived. 

We need to make ourselves purveyors of expertise. No matter the medium, we are an integral part to buying and selling homes. We should not compare ourselves with our neighbor who may close three transactions a year. They are far more common than the image of the regular "punch it out like clockwork" realtor who we fear will plow us down.


 

3:41am • #21
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I agree with Lenn and Ardell and Bryant. Those of us that have been around along time know new technology only replaces old technology. "The more things change the more they stay the same. In fact technology makes things so complicated that many people are yearning for the simple things in life like relationships.

I've heard it all before, the TV would replace the radio, The video recorder would kill the movie theatre business bla bla bla. Convergence of technology. The battle between the phone companies and the cable companies bla bla bla.

Technology changes the way things are distributed or delivered or seen or viewed whether it's through the phone or the computer or the television or a PDA Who cares? Only geeks. What matters is the substance, the content, the relationship. Technology will never be more than a messenger or a new way of delivering something.

Since so many out side the real estate industry love the travel agent analogy. The travel agents that had a niche and built relationships are strong and are around today. The ones that meet the clients at the airport and check them in, make sure they are picked up, have an itinerary etc etc. Will always be sought by business and sophisticated travelers.

10:06am • #22
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03
2007
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Mitchell, I don't think Bill's comments were about technology. His comments speak to a changing definition of relationship.  And he's asking that people "explore" the notion that this can change. Technology means nothing. Relationships are everything. But what IF the definition or relationship changes? What if? You don't have to believe that it will, only allow yourself to explore the possibility.

 

11:43pm • #23
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14
2007
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So... are you ever going to write on a blog again? Inquiring minds want to know. I, for one, would read whatever you wrote. I might even comment. 
2:24am • #24
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I might read it also.
3:10am • #25
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Jeff,

We musta scared him off, lol.   

3:11am • #26
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Human nature will almost assuredly remain the same.  We, as a people, crave attention and personal relationships.

This will NEVER go away.  However, how we address them, cultivate them and nurture them will be greatly affected by technology.  Learning to incorporate this into your marketing plans will differentiate you from the masses and strengthen your business.

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Bill...

I'm with them. Are you going to bless us with more of this?

TLW...ROAR!

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