Confounded by Banks? No Kidding! Why Would Citi Mortgage Make Such a Bad Business Decision?

banksMy partner Lauri Gibson and I specialize in helping sellers in trouble to either identify workout options/consultants that can help them try everything to stay in their home or if all else fails we help them with the short sale process.

We paid for and took special training to learn how to get the short sale approved and completed in a short time frame. To date, we have been successful in completing each short sale we have listed. Our fastest approval was in 5 days with a close in 17 days.

When we took this training, we were told that we could expect about 80% to be approved. The other 20% were based on inefficient processes and servicing conditions of the banks themselves.

Well, we may have run across our first bank, that by their very process are unable to take advantage of the short sale benefits. We currently have a client that has their loan with Citi Mortgage. The client was assigned a Loss Mitigator, whom they attempted to contact numerous times to always reach a voicemail. Lauri, after many phone calls as well, learned that the Loss Mitigator no longer worked at the company and had not done so for some time.

We have received an all cash offer for the client's home that fits the financial criteria that most banks accept and so we have been trying to contact the bank and get a Loss Mitigator assigned. Lauri has been told that we will not be assigned a Loss Mitigator for some 3 to 4 weeks, due to the fact that once received the short sale package is sent to a clearing house in St. Louis and that it will take from the time of receipt 3 to 4 weeks for the package to be processed and scanned into the system. When we asked on behalf of the seller if they realized the consequences of this process, they expressed that it is just the way they do business. The client could bring current their mortgage payments.

WHAT IS THIS BANK DOING? Where in any business proposition is the rationale for such a STUPID decision? Whomever is in charge of their process should be fired. That a national bank would make such a stupid business decision is beyond comprehension. Their bottom line is on hold for the processing of a clearing house? It must be a strategy to lose as much business as possible and drag the entire economy into a black hole. Citi Mortgage you get the award for BIGGEST LOSER! 

To date, we have worked with professional people who express a desire to work through this real estate and mortgage market crisis. People have been polite and professional. We have felt a collaborative effort to move either to a solution that keeps the servicing of the loan with the current lender or moved aggressively to relieve both the lender and the seller. It has positive connotations for the market when relief is met on two counts and opportunity met on the buyers' side. 

I have chosen to blog about this because of Citi Mortgage's non-caring and irresponsible method of doing business. The only way that change will occur is if they are exposed to the public for their business practices. It is our responsibility to bring these issues to light and to let the consumer and other professionals in our industry know when policy and procedures affect the welfare and health of our industry. It just doesn't cut it to NOT CARE anymore! 

Citi Mortgage wake up before it's too late! I wonder what is REALLY UP with Citi Mortgage?

 
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34 Comments on Confounded by Banks? No Kidding! Why Would Citi Mortgage Make Such a Bad Business Decision?

I agree... it is really horrible.  I find more than 50% of mortgage holders are like this though.  The only other thing to do is to visit the corporate office in person and talk straight to the top executive and on down until you find a listening ear.

02/25/2008 11:09 AM by Andy Morris


Jeanean, I agree it is frustrating when you know the best thing does not happen because of stupidity! The mortgage companies are taking a real beating right now but most of it is their fault for creating subprime companies that made these stupid loans. If you could breathe on a mirror you got the loan!

02/25/2008 11:15 AM by Mike Frazier, Dyersburg Tn Real Estate (Carousel Realty of Dyer County)


Andy, I intend to do more about it than that. I am going to make an effort to blog about those banks and lenders that are doing right things in this market. The only power we have as consumers is to make good choices in who we work with and who we give our business to. From this day forward, I am going to be very vocal about a list of lenders that have chosen a way of business that is wholesome and that values their client's business. We can make a difference by providing the consumer information on who is doing what and why! Thanks for commenting.

02/25/2008 11:23 AM by Jeanean Gendron ~ Redding & Shasta County Specialist (Real Estate Professionals--GMAC)


Mike, this post is about the NOW of it. It makes a difference what the lenders are doing and how it will affect the real estate market and people's lives. We will all survive this, and when we do I hope that we better understand how we should be doing business and that people are not a number. When we provide a caring service orientation, we get clients for life. I intend to help the consumer know who's who!

02/25/2008 11:25 AM by Jeanean Gendron ~ Redding & Shasta County Specialist (Real Estate Professionals--GMAC)


Jeanean, one more story to shake my head to. It is incredulous isn't it? Whenever I encounter a ss situation, my first question is "who is/are the lien holders". Inefficient processes make no sense in these days and times.

02/26/2008 10:46 AM by Maple Valley WA Broker/Owner Colleen Fischesser 425-432-5400 (RE/MAX Select Real Estate)


Actually, I think biggest loser award goes to Ocwen! Here's my advice to them and to other lenders: Short Sales --Some Advice for Lenders

02/26/2008 01:13 PM by Shannon Jones, Long Beach Real Estate (The Shannon Jones Team)


Colleen, thanks for stopping by and the read. I guess they are writing their own epitaph, but it still is upsetting when you can't help the seller. Thanks for coming in on this.

02/27/2008 07:28 AM by Jeanean Gendron ~ Redding & Shasta County Specialist (Real Estate Professionals--GMAC)


Shannon, I've seen your post and it's well done. I encourage you to keep posting about which banks are working with their clients and which are not. If you Google "Citi Mortgage short sales" the number one thing that comes up now is my post. That is what I wanted. I want it out there....who we want to do business with in the future and who we do NOT!

02/27/2008 07:31 AM by Jeanean Gendron ~ Redding & Shasta County Specialist (Real Estate Professionals--GMAC)


Jeanean,

I applaud your efforts, and especially your willingness to share your experiences.  My experience with Citi has been like a space mission (still searching for intelligent life).  I have a friend that had 2 different properties in short sale (one primary residence and one investment property).  Citi had the 2nd mortgage on both properties.  The investment property had a contract on it the first week of December, and by the end of december, Citi had charged off the debt and sent it to a collection agency before it was foreclosed on, and in the middle of short sale negitiations.  The purchase contract was setup where the 2nd mortgage holder (Citi) would get $4000 net proceeds on the deal.  They turned it down.  The first mortgage holder foreclosed the first week of January, and Citi now gets nothing.  In addition, the owner will be filing for BK, so Citi will have no recourse on the deficiency balance either.

Apparently, they are unaware of the term, a bird in the hand is better than 2 in the bush.  And as long as they are getting bailed out by Saudi Arabian investors, it seems as though they don't care.

P.S. - The other property has received a contract, and Citi has again charged it off before a sale and before foreclosure.

02/27/2008 08:59 AM by Steve Russell (REO In Motion, LLC)


Steve, thanks for coming in on this. I think it is important that we build this record of performance for these banks. We have a powerful forum to help the consumer know how these lenders are choosing to do business. The nice thing is, it doesn't go away. Every time we write a post....it will be a record that Google brings up on search terms. It matters. Thanks for your comments. 

02/27/2008 09:12 AM by Jeanean Gendron ~ Redding & Shasta County Specialist (Real Estate Professionals--GMAC)


I try to get the short sale package the day I give them the authorization. Banks are so slow sometimes..

02/27/2008 02:53 PM by Debbie Holmes (Gold Key Real Estate)


You are correct , Citi is super slow. !!!!!!!!

03/14/2008 04:13 AM by Georg Thoma (International Mortgage LLC.)


To throw a twist on this...We made an offer to purchase a home mortgaged by Citibank...this was obviously a short sale...its been 9 WEEKS and we dont even nhave an answer as to their acceptance of our offer. We loved the home, the home owner accepted our offer, and their Attorney submitted it along with proof of our approved Mortgage. 9 weeks and we're ready to tell Citibank to keep it! No one from the bank is responding back to anyone!

03/14/2008 04:36 PM by joeo


Same issue with a short sale I have listed.  First lien is Countrywide and 2nd is Citimortgage.  Countrywide is about to foreclose on 1st lien and Citi will get nothing.  We've had a contract since December 2007 and Countrywide did postpone one foreclosure to work on the short sale.. they offered Citimortgage $3000 to sign off on it.  Still waiting on final approval from Countrywide's investor.. but the negotiator at CW seems to think we could get it closed before foreclosure on April 1st if Citimortgage would cooperate.  The negotiator at Citimortgage seems to have a chip on her shoulder and says she wants $10,000 for payoff AND for the seller to sign a new loan/payment plan for $19,000 at 0% interest for 10 years.  HELLO??!!  This guy doesn't have any money.. that's why he's doing a short sale.  She said I'd have to come up with a way to cut the costs on the HUD...  gee.. don't you think Countrywide will just take whatever is cut, i.e. commission.  They are clueless.  I told the negotiator at Citi that the first lien is about to go to foreclosure and she said if she didn't get the deal she wanted.. to just let it go to foreclosure.  The poor buyer has been hanging in there this long.  I even thought of attempting to work back through the system to try to get another negotiator at Citimortgage.. but after reading what I have about them online.. they are just stupid.  The seller's ready to let both go to foreclosure.  If anyone has any ideas on this deal.. let me know.

03/19/2008 12:02 AM by Dana Gray (GrayHomeTeam.com - Keller Williams Realty)


C'mon now.  What's the worst that could happen?  They could reach the brink of total insolvency and then be bailed out with our tax dollars?  Hmmmm.......

PS.  I've worked short sales with them too and one sale took me almost 9 weeks.  The house was broken into twice while we waited to get an answer.  Another day in the life of a lender I suppose.

03/19/2008 12:08 AM by Guy E. Gimenez ABR, CRS, GRI - Broker - Austin Texas Homes (512-731-5613) (The PowerHouse Group)


Dana, it appears that from what we have gotten in comments on this....CitiMortgage has a track record of doing just waht you suggest....forcing it to foreclosure. I encourage you to write a post on the entire negotiation and make it very apparent what has occurred and that it is Citi Mortgage that is doing this. I want to and I encourage you to be vocal about it. The consumer needs to know.....that we WILL NOT DO BUSINESS WITH THIS COMPANY when the recovery comes. We have a voice and we can make it so. If everyone of us loads the web with this information, there will be one conclusion...Citi Mortgage does not do GOOD Business. They are hurting the economy and the real estate and mortgage market. I wrote this post and now if you search Citi Morgtage, the posts come up.

03/19/2008 06:29 AM by Jeanean Gendron ~ Redding & Shasta County Specialist (Real Estate Professionals--GMAC)


that's just citi being citi, and while it may seem foolish, whatever, it is their mortgage to do with as they please as long as they keep the regulators happy.

i know this is like closing the barn door after the horse got out, but people need to consider who the are dealing with when they acquire/apply. (i know that the mortgage may have been bought.0 if you apply with your huge slow moving company, that's what you are going to get. sad, but true.

03/19/2008 09:29 AM by Jay Beckingham (Allied Home Mortgage Capital Corp.)


Update on my short sale listing...  Got full approval on the 1st lien with Countrywide and now I have to just get Citimortgage to agree to take the $3000 they are offered for the 2nd lien.  I can't get the negotiator for Citi to call me back.  Anyone have any success changing negotiators or talking to someone above them?

The Citi negotiator in the "Recovery Dept"... kept saying that I'd have to cut more out of the deal for Citi or she could not approve the deal.  Well no matter what we cut...i.e. commission as that's about all that's available.. or raising the sales price... that will go to Countrywide.  So, she pretty much presents an impossible deal.

Please tell me there's a way to get them to agree to the $3000 instead of $0.

03/30/2008 11:09 PM by Dana Gray (GrayHomeTeam.com - Keller Williams Realty)


Dana, I don't have much encouragement. Just try to negotiate. As you read the comments above, they don't seem to care and just push the seller into foreclosure. This is why I have written about them.....it makes no sense other than just a bad business philosophy that I believe people need to know about. I will ask my partner today who she is working with in hopes that you might be able to speak to them. I'll call you directly.

03/31/2008 07:50 AM by Jeanean Gendron ~ Redding & Shasta County Specialist (Real Estate Professionals--GMAC)


Jeanean:  If the economy leaves some of us Realtors in a bad financial position, we could do a collective bargaining with the banks and get them to hire us.  God knows they need help understanding the real estate sales process.  And no matter what they paid us, they would more than make it up in closed sales.

03/31/2008 09:51 AM by Chris Ann Cleland, GRI (Long & Foster)


I just took a listing for a short sale in Watsonville, CA. The seller has both loans with CitiMortgage.  I hope my luck is better than what is posted here!  Has anyone been able to get CITI to approve a short sale?

03/31/2008 01:59 PM by Michael Bloch


Jeanean, I had a similar experience with WA_ _. They had an excellent offer on the table (CASH) quick close and took it to sale-instead! I think that so many lenders are just too overwhelmed and when they make the decision to go to sale they get to take that one off the PILE that they have on THEIR desks and send it elsewhere.

I think that for most all the people in the Loss Mit departments,these really are JUST numbers to them. They don't care, these people get paid monthly...just numbers on the desk and paperwork.Even if some of them did care they really can't help out other than get some of these transactions through.It sure seems to make sense that if the bank gets more money in a short sale and the homeowner gets some relief and the buyers get a good value that everyone wins...but then that makes too much sense to some banks!!

Regards,

 

Rick 

03/31/2008 02:10 PM by Richard Goates ECO Broker (KELLER WILLIAMS REALTY)


We are now at the 11th week awaiting to hear on the Acceptance of our Short sale offer...and still...no answer, no response, no nothing. Can anyone help?

03/31/2008 05:58 PM by Update to 9 weeks and waiting...


Richard, it is a number of things that come together to make these short sales difficult. However, there are banks that are processing them more efficiently and cooperating more. I believe it is important to publicly report the business philosophy and process and procedures they have in place to help the economy, the real estate and mortgage industries, and the consumer recover from this present crisis. That is what this post is about. We have a responsibility to help the consumer understand what is taking place. I personally would have concerns about my clients working with Citi Mortgage going forward. I would relay how they have forced sellers into foreclosure when they stand to have no benefit (ergo....in second position and with foreclosure they have no possibility of any recovery of their second mortgage). You are right about short sales being about the numbers...if you get it right and the numbers work....again...I cannot say this enough....it is about the bottom line number....banks with the ability to make their own decisions can accept the short sale. We do get convoluted in who owns the loan and whether within the servicing conditions of some of these loans...they cannot accept the loan. Fine...but tell us quickly so that we can all be more efficient and help more people. I do think that within the process is an internal flaw that keeps even the loss mitigator from knowing the servicing conditions of the loan. Thanks for the visit!

04/01/2008 07:41 AM by Jeanean Gendron ~ Redding & Shasta County Specialist (Real Estate Professionals--GMAC)


This post...keeps getting comments. If you would like to talk with me personally, please give me a call. I would be more than happy to help you or to have a discussion about the nature of short sales, how we do them and what resources are available to you (agents) and the to the consumer.

04/01/2008 07:43 AM by Jeanean Gendron ~ Redding & Shasta County Specialist (Real Estate Professionals--GMAC)


Ok, Citibank finally responded to my offer to purchase a Short Sale. After 11 weeks...they said NO and countered. I happily said "no thanks...keep it".

04/06/2008 07:29 PM by 11 weeks and FINALLY


FINNALY, you can negotiate. If you can keep your buyer....or if you are the buyer....you can negotiate. Don't just say no....counter the counter. I understand if you are at the end, however. They are not known for making the short sale work. More details on if they are the first or second....would help. I would be happy to talk with you. 

04/07/2008 04:12 AM by Jeanean Gendron ~ Redding & Shasta County Specialist (Real Estate Professionals--GMAC)


The Buyer was at wits end with the entire process, and have decided to start looking at a regular sale instead.

04/10/2008 10:08 AM by


Guys Guys Guys! come on we are smarter than the dimwit negotiators at Citi, My suggestion, which works, take that listing, get an offer written asap, lowball it do it yourself, whatever, just get an offer sent over to Citi, get the ball rolling!  It's going to be a long wait so may as well start now, by t e time you have secured a Fair Market Value Offer (FMV) your file may have already been assigned a negotiator.

My last transaction with Citi short sale was a 2nd loan of $170k ish Citi requested $10k at close plus a Promissary note for $30k.. The first, after much talking agreed to give Citi the $10k, I then asked the buyers to raise the sales price 10k, The buyer agreed, then went back to Citi and offered them $16k at close with no promissary note, They took the deal *why wouldn't they!* The buyers' happy they got the house they wanted. total negotiated from 1st and 2nd loan combined was approx $340k, my brokerage fee of $18k was protected, (and after 7 months from the taking the listing to close, is very justified.) was it Frustrating, you bet, Did i wait for ever and a day? Oh yeah, Would i do it again? Bring it on!

Point is, dont give up, get creative, stay persistent, work hard for everyone, sleep well.

hope this helps someone.

Chris Giddings  ShortSalesbyChris.com  NevadaHotProperties  Realty Executives of Nevada

04/30/2008 02:12 AM by Chris Giddings (Realty Executives of Nevada)


Chris, great comment and advice. I agree. They are tougher than most and it is a very long wait....where you usually lose the buyer. Good for you! Encouraging news to say they least!

04/30/2008 08:15 AM by Jeanean Gendron ~ Redding & Shasta County Specialist (Real Estate Professionals--GMAC)


I totally agree about CitimortgageI I have a shortsale package over there & the negotiator has been sitting on it for over 30 days now! No calls backs from the negotiator or the supervisors! I'm at my wits end! A simple phone call for an update is all we ask! We have a cash buyer to & still nothing will make this company call u any faster!!

05/16/2008 05:31 PM by LT


I too and waiting for Citi to approve a short sale, it's been 10 weeks and they are not returning anyone's call.  Is this legal?  I think we need to do something. 

06/02/2008 09:01 AM by Upset in Mass


I have a very motivated buyer who is looking to purchase bulk reo's ranging from 400million to 5 billion.  My client is easy to work with, however needs proof that you actually have the product before giving a LOI.  I am looking to establish a working relationship that way we can do business on more than one occasion.  Please email me at josh@nwlsusa.com if you are able to produce proof of product.  I am tired of jumping through hoops when in the end the seller doesn't have any product.  I am on a deadline because my client is trying to buy up as much as possible so he can pay less in taxes.  Please a friendly reminder do not ask for LOI or MFA before proving you have actual product to sell.

 

Joshua Loeb

 

J. Loeb Inc

 

818-428-1059

06/04/2008 08:14 PM by joshua loeb


I can understand the pain of all of you ... and this unresponsible ways to act will affect of us, the economic and much more. I don't know if you realize  the credit cars for  Sears, Home Depot, AA and much more are from Citi. I been so fructated tryng to get a couple deals with Citi that I am about to give up because is not human way to talk to this people in the Recovery Deparment, the talk to customers like they are criminals and is not way that make deals and prefer to loose all the money that get something and keep prices up.

I will love to make a reality TV show to show the country what kind of people are in Corporate America and what kind of damage the do to Americans families.

 

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