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I got that phone call AGAIN today.  This time it was a builder rather an agent, but the context of the phone call was the same.

You know that phone call- the one where the person on the other end who has never met you, seen your portfolio, visited your website, or read your blog, but wants to help you grow your business through the incredible amount of exposure they can offer you - if you will stage their property for FREE.  Really, it would be funny if they were kidding, but they never are.  Sometimes they will not even come out and say it, which is incredibly aggravating.

I don't know about you, but I find these phone calls to be outright offensive.  That's right, OFFENSIVE!!!

Can you imagine if I were to call a builder I've never met and say, 'I want you to build me a house.  As a matter of fact, I want to write a blog about it and post it on my site - it does receive national attention, you know.  Considering the exposure that offers you, I think you should do it for free.' How long would it take for them to hang up on me? 

Or what if I called an agent who had no clue who I am and said, 'I want  you to list my house.  I know a lot of people and I could bring you in a lot of business if you do a good job. If you waive your commission, I will recommend you to all of my family and friends.  That's a lot of exposure and an incredible opportunity for you.'   Would they start laughing immediately or wait until after they said no? 

The funny thing is, a lot of the time these callers refer to the fact that they have talked to another stager, but didn't like them.  Most likely that stager turned them down, too.  Sometimes they say they have worked with an interior designer in the past, but find the concept of staging fascinating and want to give it a try.  Chances are they would not even THINK of approaching that designer with such an idea and are hoping I am desperate enough to believe it can be to my benefit.  My favorite ones are the type that say they usually stage their own listings, but want to give me (the person they do not know) the incredible opportunity of having  my name on the flyer as the designer - they are so generous and all.  I think the reality is that they have realized it is a bigger job than they can handle or have time for and need someone else to do it for them - but don't want to pay them.

Think about it.  Do you suppose that they have approached their inspector with this offer? Or any subcontractor?  Absolutely not, because they know they would get laughed into the next county.  Why? Because they respect these people as professionals and recognize that these careers are their livelihood.

Professional Stagers deserve the same respect.  We offer staging services as a BUSINESS and take our jobs very seriously - just like they do.  As business owners, we have overhead and other clients - just like they do.  Offering our services for free will not only take time away from our paying clients, but will also have a negative effect on our bottom line, no matter how much 'exposure' it would offer.  Considering that two feature articles in our local newspapers have not produced much work for me, how can they guarantee that putting my name on their flyer or putting my business cards in their listings will?

No, I prefer to build my business the old fashioned way.  I provide quality service at a reasonable price.  Those who truly recognize the value of my service are willing to pay me for it - just like they are willing to pay builders and Realtors for what they do. If I start giving my services away for free, others will expect it as well.  Can you afford that?

I do believe that these people know deep down that staging is the way to go, but do not yet take our industry seriously and want to take advantage of our 'newbie' status. Well, let me be the first to tell you that I DO take the industry and my business seriously and ask that those who request my services do the same.  I'm sure I speak for stagers all over the country in saying that we are smart business people and just because the industry is green, it doesn't mean that we are.

 
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56 Comments on Staging May be a New Industry, but None of Us Were Born Yesterday (rant warning)

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I think you should respond with something like  you mentioned above "that is a great idea and if you are willing to build me a house for free as I can offer you national exposure etc..., I think we could work something else".  I would love to hear the response on the other end of the phone, would it be deafening silence or a loud click.
4:22pm • #1
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Sandra - You have no idea how badly I want to really say something like that, but my hope is that they will come around one day and realize that I did not call them idiots, even though they would have deserved it.  Maybe they will run across this blog someday and realize how disrespectful their request was and try to make up for it by paying me huge sums of money to stage all of their listings.  I know, I'm dreaming!

4:40pm • #2
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Kimberly- It's amazing to me the amount of nerve some people have! And, yes, it is very degrading, but all you can do is treat them like they are out of their minds...because they are!!!
4:41pm • #3
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You know, Elaine - my first clue should have been that this caller today told me they were referred by a 'magazine editor' that had contacted me about doing a feature article on my business, but really wanted me to buy $4,000 worth of advertising.  Talk about a red flag!
4:48pm • #4
Kimberly, you are so right! It is sad to think that these people don't take this industry seriously. Our advice, expertise and talent is valuable, I can't believe that some people have the audacity to ask us to give it away for free! I would LOVE to respond by saying "the day I will give you a free staging would be the day you'll build me a free house!" *click*...too bad I wouldn't ever have the guts!
6:16pm • #5
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You go girl...so there.  I know, Realtors get this ALL the time too.  Getting easier to scope them out though before the first 30 seconds.
6:36pm • #6
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Oh, I forgot to tell you my husband's favorite saying, it'll come in handy.

"I may have been born on a Tuesday, but it wasn't last Tuesday." 

6:37pm • #7
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Stephanie - So right!!!  I do, actually, have the guts but not the death wish.  It would eventually kill my business, I think.  I just wish someone would call and propose the same deal to them so that they can see how ludicrous it is.

Terrylynn - Next time I suspect this to be the case, I am just going to ask what their budget is straight away and listen to them spit and sputter over it for a few minutes.  When they tell me they have no budget I will politely explain that they also have no stager!  Good saying!  :)

HAHA!!!!  My 'code word' is DUKU - change that to DUKEY and we are right on track!!!  :P

6:51pm • #8
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Kimberly ~ Some people have all the nerve!  I've never received a call exactly like yours, but I was asked by a real estate agent to provide a staging proposal for his own home.  When I got there, he said that he'd "give my name to all of the agents in his office" and then added "so what kind of special pricing can you give me?"  My reply was that I give all of my clients the best quality work at a competitive price!  Did he give me the job?  No, his home remains unstaged and unsold!  Some people just don't get it do they?
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Maureen - The special pricing line always cracks me up.  Like I'm going to respond - 'Yes, my usual fees are rather steep, aren't they?'  LOL!!!  Please.....  And the fact that they think they deserve that kind of treatment really kills me.  As if their word in their office carries that much weight.  I work with agents who do have sway over their coworkers and it doesn't necessarily mean more work for me.

8:34pm • #10

LOL.... I will put it on my site if you do, we can both say "you know what, I was just going to call you and ask if you could build me an addition for a client for free, and then you could leave some broacher's and I will put you on my website imagine the exposer you will get! So when can you Start?"

(CLICK)...HELLO, ARE YOU STILL THERE?

Best

BB

8:37pm • #11
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Brian - That is hysterical!!!!   If they say no, they have to be underestimating the power of the brochure!!  Are you still there is right!! LOL
8:46pm • #12
This one is worth ranting about.  Amazing they are making thousands and are not thinking that others are trying to make a living as well.
8:49pm • #13
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Isabel - You got it!  In comparison, our fees are pretty small compared to what they will make.  It seems as though some are not willing to share a piece of the pie, not realizing that we make the pie larger.
8:53pm • #14
Kimberly, You are too funny and soooo right. Sometimes you get one of those smooth talkers who dangle a carrot and it can be so tempting. I've made the mistake of discounting my services for the "carrot" before and have never actually taken a bite of that carrot. This is great information for someone just starting out - don't be fooled - If you're good at what you do you will get paid for each and every job. Like the good people at Loreal say "because I'm worth it".
8:54pm • #15
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Thankfully I've only ever received a few of these calls and most I have actually turned into paying business.  It is completely ridiculous..... my next favorite rant, "If my house sells in a week, do we get a refund?"  Umm.... if your home sells in a week, we did an awesome job and you should be giving us a bonus!
8:55pm • #16
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ps..shhhhhhhhhh I think that there are lots of stagers who work for free because  they just have trouble doing the math. Since this is a relatively baby industry lots are struggling to get established and set pricing and all that fun stuff - I get that. But then there are those hobbiest stager ladies ( no men in this group for me) who just think it is so much fun that since they already have a steady income elsewhere why not play at being a stager for a while. They tell me they just love to decorate other peoples houses - what - decorate. Excuse me, sista!
8:59pm • #17
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Kimberley - The carrot analogy is perfect!  The problem is the carrot is plastic and only looks good from a distance. 
9:00pm • #18
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Melissa - Good for you and AMEN!!  I love the client who said 'Isn't it in your best interest to have the house sit for a long time so that you can collect the rent?'  HUH?  Noo! I make more money when it moves around, buddy!

Kathleen - I think as a newbie I may have actually taken the bait, but luckily it was not dangled.  May all the newbies read this and learn the truth about the plastic carrot!

 

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I may actually buy some to send to these generous folks as a thank you gift for working so hard to build MY business.  Appropriate, or no? :P
9:38pm • #21
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How about a lovely bunch of coconuts?
9:54pm • #23
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Ok, now you guys are just getting silly..... lol!  and I have some stupid song, 'a lovely bunch of coconuts' in my head.... ugh!
9:56pm • #24
OMG - I am so laughing. You girls are fuuuuny!
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Tomorrow, another post on the dangers of faux fruits and vegetables.  Do they hold subliminal messages?  You decide! 

LOL!!! I agree, Melissa - I think I need sleep....

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Kimberley - You should hang out with us more often!  Sometimes we cannot control ourselves!
10:01pm • #27
Hi Kimberly,  I was totally shocked to read your piece--I had no idea people could even think of such nonsense!  I absolutely love your title, and it should have tipped me off.  For what it's worth....here's one real estate agent who appreciates her stager!  Cheers, Harley
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Harley - Thanks so much for the vote of confidence!  I'm glad you like the title - I debated over it being too harsh, but went with it anyway. It is surprising that people would ask for such a thing. 
10:30pm • #29

Have not had the pleasure of a similar phone call. Though, think I will be prepare my script! 

Thanks for sharing your experience Kimberly! Hope it's a first and a last!

10:59pm • #30
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Rant away Girlfriend!  You are right on!  I love your analogy about asking the builder to build you a home for free...or a Realtor to sell your house for free!  Thanks for the laugh after a LONG day!
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Yes, yes, yes, you go girl. I categorize this with all the lovely ladies who clap their hands when they find out what I do and smile and say "oh I've always wanted to do that my family tells me I am so good at it and it looks like fun. Can you show me how so I can start my own business?"

 

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I had a friend of a friend get REALLY excited about the prospect of taking a staging course.

This so she could "just go in and give advice to her friends and neighbors"

I then explained the mechanics of the business. Mechanics being the operative word! Hard, intense labor.  Also. not to mention the operation side. She was smart enough to say ("oh forget it. Don't want to do that!)

Truly beleive we are a living breed in a dying society! If that makes sense? :-)

12:23am • #33
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I used to play music professionally and my band and I quietly agreed that we wouldn't "play for exposure" because people can "die from exposure". 

These days, when people get excited and say how fun it must be to be a Stager, I say yes - 25% of what I do is incredibly fun. The other 75% is really hard work: marketing, admin and heavy duty schleping. That makes them stop and think for a minute.

One of my Staging associates said that after she got her training, she looked at her husband and said, "wait a minute, part of this job is just like moving...and I HATE moving." She's still a Stager because she loves the creative part so much that the not-so-fun stuff is well worth the reward at the end of a long day.   

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Kimberly,

As I've said before, the work I do to get my listings staged is always physically harder and often more demanding than the work I do as a listing agent. To think you should do it for the glory is ludicrous .  

1:50am • #35
It is amazing to me how many people are doing this, asking for you to stage for free to get exposure.  I know most of us when we stage, don't leave any clue as to who did the staging in the home.  The only way we get business is if a realtor sees the job and asks who staged the home.  I guess they have no clue how much work and money is involved in staging a home.  I too would love to grow my business more, but I can't do that by working for free.
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Gina - Do prepare your script, because it is coming!  It's not the first and I'm sure it won't be the last I'm sure.  I tell people all the time that I move every few days and they look at me like I am crazy, but it's true and once I explain that I never hear them talk about the fun of my job again!

Janice - I take it you've heard this one?  I'm glad I brightened your day. :)

Kym - Maybe next time we get one of these calls we can tell them we are very sorry, we will not be available, but we know someone who really only does it for 'fun' and won't mind not getting paid!

Janis - 'Die from exposure' - that's a good one!!

Susan - You mean there's glory involved in this work?  Darn, how did I miss that?  ;)

Kristi - It's true that I don't leave marketing materials in any of the houses I stage, though a parade house may be different. However, it does not justify my travel expense (it is an hour away) or the amount of work I would have to do, that's for sure!

7:19am • #37
I'm  an appraiser but I get that same phone call often...sometimes it pertains to making value but sometimes it is a hook for getting me to do this one for free or a discount because the whole family is buying houses or because you just did one for my mother and there are more coming...I hate those scenarios...a little different from yours but feels similar...
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Well Kim, the good news is that a year ago no one seemed to know anything about staging.  Today, many more get the concept, but mixed in the bunch are the ones with Big Brass -----'s.  People like this are the ones that feel compelled to negotiate everything including the price of their groceries.  I'm not sure they really expect to get something for nothing they just like the rush of trying.  What I have found laughable about the few Realtors that have asked Linda to do free work, "just for the good exposure" is that when I did Google searches for "Realtors Indianapolis" I could not find them anywhere.  When I do a Google search for "Home Stager Indianapolis" Linda comes up 17 out of the first 20 entries.  Who exactly needs the good exposure here?  What a joke.

The answer needs to be "You are obviously confusing me with someone that is not running a serious business"

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Kimberly:  Like Gary says, there will always be someone out there making those kinds of swell "offers" because there will be people who might jump at the chance to do something for nothing - for the "exposure". Unfortunately, you sometimes get what you pay for, and then it's a lose-lose situation.  I refuse to devalue my time.  Julie
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Patrice - Unbelievable!  As if any of those people would ever give any thing away for free!

Gary- LOL!!  True!!  Sounds like they need us more than we need them?

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Julia - Good for you!  I can't see how that scenario would be good for my business, either!  Factoring in the house in question is an hour away and I have never heard of the builder, it just gets more ridiculous the more I think about it!
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Kimberly - To answer your comment to me...YES....too many times!  Mostly from builders.  Glad I am not the only one getting asked for free staging.  I was beginning to think I had "sucker" written all over my face!
11:40am • #43

Oh my - I just got that phone call last week!!  Get real.  It's that $1.4M listing I mentioned on another post.  My business is building quite nicely on it's own with paying clients.

I am putting together an estomate for him and then the ball is in his court.

*sheeze*

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Kimberly...love the rant.  I've never been approached by a builder, but have by realtors.  One of my first, two years ago was making this type of proposal...or should I call it proposition.  Bend over lady let me help you out.  Well, I always like to think that people like this will get theirs in the end.  I'm sorry but this hotshot realtor just lost his $750,000 custom built home in foreclosure.  I know why and I'm so happy that I didn't get involved with him.  My first hint was when it took two months for me to get paid just for the consults...no thanks Mr. Hotshot...go to work!  I'm always surprised, appalled and taken-back that people even venture down this road but I guess it's just how some people operate.  Thanks for posting and letting us all chime in.  Yeah AR for giving us the place!
12:06pm • #45
It never hurts to ask I guess?   Do they at least have a budget or equipment for you to work with, or do they expect you to provide everything?   Thats like somebody saying I will let you work for me, but you gotta pay me to do so.  It's crazy. 
12:20pm • #46
Kimberly, keeping my fingers crossed because so far no one has suggested that Margo and I do a free staging for the exposure or some other inane thing.  Now, however, I am armed with a few delicious comments to say back to them if is should happen.  Thanks for a great post.  Betty
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Janice - I think they all think we ALL have sucker written on our heads! :)

Susan - That's right!  Hit 'em with a bid and let them know you mean BUSINESS!

Ginger - Sounds like you really dodged a bullet!  It is amazing that people ask of others what they would never do themselves, sin't it?

Chad - No, it never HURTS to ask, but it won't get you anywhere, either!  ;)  It depends on the person, but some do expect that you will use all of your own inventory.  This particular builder assured me they had their own, they just needed someone to 'set it up'.  Mind you it is an hour drive from here and a 3600 sq.ft. home.  Too much time wasted.

Betty - So glad to hear from you!  Keep your responses by the phone... :)

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I got one of those calls yesterday, saying look at all the exposure I'd be getting.  They were obviously going down the list of stagers on the internet.  There's exposure, but not the kind I want.
5:32pm • #49
Don't ever stage for free.  That is stupid for them to think such a thing. 
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Kim  I haven't gotten this call yet, but I will be prepared now if I do.  The nerve!
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Cindy - Oh, MY!!  It's an epidemic!  I can just hear it, can't you?  'Yes, she's great.  She did it for free.'  No one who calls you from that kind of referral is looking to pay you.  You would actually be 'exposed' as an idiot.

Joe - THANK YOU!!!!  So nice to hear that from an agent!

Sharon - Be sure it will come.  Glad you can handle it!  :)

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At first I was thinking to myself..."Man, she's lucky!  She's having builders contact her for work!"  Then as i read on I changed my mind.  I don't know any Realtor or Builder that would even consider doing their work free.  Let's get real...we are in this because we love to do this kind of work, but we are also in this for the money so that we can provide or contribute to our families.
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Reece - Actually, I am lucky because I do have paying builders calling me.  This one was just a dud.  It just goes to show not all of them get it yet.
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Hi Kimberly-

I haven't received a call like that, but now I will be ready! Thanks for the post-you sure got comments on this one!

Kathy

12:26pm • #55
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Kathy- I'm glad my rant is helping so many prepare themselves for the inevitable!
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