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Right now there is a wave of "greeness" sweeping the world.  Everyone wants to be green... We want to out-green the Jones so to speak. Harvesting Corn

But, is there a downside to this greening? 

Unfortunately, there is.  Actually, there are several.  I may have to write several posts to debunk a variety of green myths... but I'll start with bio-fuel... specifically corn ethanol.   

Before we get started, there is one thing I want to make VERY clear.  I am not against environmental responsibility.  In fact, unlike many "greens", I spend my time out in the wilds.  I love being able to show my son the beauty of the world, and I want to see it preserved.  

So, on to the show... 

Food as fuel is usually a bad idea, but in the case of corn it is a very bad idea.  The reasons range from practical to economic.  On the practical side, there just isn't enough arable land to grow enough corn to replace a significant portion of gasoline.  In 2006, ethanol provided enough fuel to allow 1.5% oil independence.  Since then, the price of corn has doubled.  Not only does this make corn less attractive as a fuel substitute, but it has raised feed costs for chicken and cattle, as well as raising the cost of corn based food for human consumption... all while only making barely a dent in oil use.  

In fact, researchers at UC Berkely think that it takes six units of energy to make one unit of corn energy.  Remember, that the energy from corn isn't without cost.  It takes energy to plant, harvest and convert, in addition to the cost of transportation.  And, it doesn't produce as much energy for its mass as oil.  Basically, what it comes down to is that the researchers from UCB think it takes six times as much energy to make power from corn as the corn provides.  

Imagine that you needed to drink a glass of water every hour.  But, you didn't want to directly drink it, so you devised a contraption to deliver it... but you had to put six glasses of water into it in order to get the one glass out that you need.  That is what corn ethanol does. 

Audi R10 Diesel racerOn a slightly different note, in 1996, when I drove my Jeep up to MN to visit my Dad, I carefully tracked my mileage.  (ok, I always carefully tracked my mileage).  Around Atlanta, I averaged about 15 mpg.  On the long highway trip, I averaged about 17 mpg.  I had to fill up while in MN.  Mileage dropped to 12.  Even on the drive south to MO, I could only bring it up to 13.  I later found out that MN increased the ethanol content of the gasoline in order to reduce greenhouse gases.  Many locales around the country do this at different times of the year.  As I read the article, I saw that they expected to reduce the GG emissions by 15% per gallon of fuel burned.  But, I had a 30% increase in fuel burned.  Do politicians not have calculators?  They actually increased the emissions per mile driven. 

But, there is a HUGE corn lobby in DC.  The Federal Government paid out $2.6B to blenders, and another $900M to farmers as subsidies... while the price was rising.  Companies like GM, instead of spending money building more hybrids and furthering the hydrogen power agenda, they spent money refining more of their products to run E85... which isn't economically viable.  GM isn't alone.  Ford is right there with them.  

But, the Green Lobby is demanding it.  And the Corn Lobby is thrilled.  Consumers think they are protecting the environment by getting a flex fuel Suburban... or Focus.  

Audi R10 DieselOk, Lane... have you've trashed enough people now... solutions? 

Right now, I can tell you one solution that could be implemented as close to immediately as car design allows.  Diesel-Hybrid.  Look at some of the non-hybrid diesels out there, like the Jetta.  They are getting almost the same fuel mileage as hybrids.  And, they are NOT producing more pollution.  They are extremely popular in Europe, but in the US, diesels can't seem to get a break from consumers. 

Add hybrid technology to the mix and we will see numbers that are exciting.  In the city, the Escape Hybrid gets 50% better mileage than the non-hybrid.  Can you imagine a car the size of a Jetta getting 75 mpg?  What about something the size of a Taurus getting 50 mpg? 

I know that this isn't directly related to real estate, but there is one thing that is.  Much of the "green technology" that is being touted doesn't produce the promised result.  And, as with most things, there are unintended consequences.

 

13 Comments on Green may start to make people see red...

Lane - I agree on the ethanol issue - it just was not thought out very well - .There are certainly a number of improvements that can be made to the efficiency of vehicles. My daughter's new car gets 35 miles per gallon and is a decent size and has exceeded many safety standards.

I like the windpower and solar (although not great for MN)  energy sources.  All the water in the warmer states could be heated by the sun and used heated or draw off that heat for other purposes. There is much to yet be explored but we know Ethanol isn't one.

03/04/2008 06:42 PM by Kathleen Lordbock- HSE,RESA,SEA,SD ~soon to be Realtor/Staging Specialist~ (Re$ale Design & Home Staging)


Hi Lane, I was just reading an article on "Saw Grass" as opposed to corn....we still make fuel...less combustive than oil based carbon fuels grant you but emissions are lower than corn and we can feed the world too....which is starting to buy our corn....and heavens knows we could use the exports for the economy.  Nice post Lane.

03/04/2008 06:47 PM by Gary White~ Grand Rapids Real Estate, FlexIt Realty, a call or click away! (Flexit Realty~Serving West Michigan)


Kathleen - I'm not a fan of wind or solar... or hydro.  They destroy viewsheds, and until they can be cost effective, they require too much space for the power generated.  I would like to see more nuclear power generation. 

Gary - Saw Grass and corn and cane are all carbon fuels.  The difference is that they aren't releasing carbon that has been sequestered for millions of years.  In growing more, new carbon is sequestered, so it balances out.  

Oddly, if I had the room, I would own a bio-diesel brewing rig.  Using used vegetable oil from restaurant fryers, One can make diesel fuel pretty cheaply... and it is cleaner burning than dino-diesel.  However, it isn't the answer to national energy needs... just kind of cleaning up around the edges. 

03/04/2008 07:48 PM by Lane Bailey - REALTOR & Car Guy (Diamond Dwellings Realty)


Lane,

Geat post.  I agree that Ethanol is not the big answer.  There was a great article in Popular Mechanics a month or so ago about this subject.

I am also not a big fan of hybrids. They're good for saving fuel worse for the environment than people give them credit for. The enironmental "cost" of producing the batteries is huge. I read somewhere that the total environmental footprint to produce and operate a Toyota Prius is like 3 times what is to produce and operate a Hummer H3.  The cadmium mining and processing is the big culprit.

I believe the gains will be in diesel.  Like you mentioned the Euro diesels deliver some exeptional performance and fuel milage. With advanced diesel technology I think it would be very feasible for Americans to drive their SUV and still get great fuel milage.

The governemtn needs to stay out of promoting ethanol, hydrogen, hybrid, or whatever.  Let the freemarket come up with solutions. I don't have a real problem with the gov mandating increased fuel milage and decreased emissions.  Let the manufacturers come up with the best solutions.

 

03/05/2008 08:05 AM by Bob Southard,e-Pro Powder Springs and Marietta Real Estate (Solid Source Realty)


Lane - I agree that we will all be driving diesel hybreds some day. It just seems like the most practical solution.

03/05/2008 08:14 AM by Larry Brewer Nashville real estate (Keller Williams - Franklin tn)


Bob - I know the study to which you are referencing about Prius v. H3.  While I think there is a lot of validity, there were some gigantic assumptions in the methodology.  The results are not as bad as the study, but it is VERY true that the cadmium mining is the nasty underbelly.  But, like with most technologies (including making fuel from corn), as the technology progresses, the gains will be more and more.  

Larry - Works for trains...  Everyone knows that the diesel engines in trains only power electric generators, right?  The train is actually running on electric motors. 

The big problem with current hybrids is that the electric motor isn't primary.  The electric motor should power the car, and the diesel engine should be a generator.  

If I had the budget for the Automotive X-Prize, I would be building such a vehicle... I think we could make a reasonably sized car (again, think Taurus) that could go down the road getting 100mpg on bio-diesel.   

03/05/2008 09:13 AM by Lane Bailey - REALTOR & Car Guy (Diamond Dwellings Realty)


Lane, A big double-high-five-with-a-belly-bump for you on this one. The more I think about it the more I want to say that the next car I buy will be Diesel Hybrid. It just makes sense.

  • I think that nuclear power is still one heck of a polluter. Time will tell, we have been doing some great (horrible) testing in places like Bosnia and Iraq, We will see what disposing of the depleted uranium by injecting it into the ground will do in the next few generations. You know we put someplace over 80,000 tons of the stuff into the ground in the old Yugoslavia, one tank-killer at a time.
  • Efficiency is the answer, both in things like solar that only damages view-sheds if poorly designed, and end uses like CFL's and LED's. 

03/05/2008 06:11 PM by Michael I. Pulskamp REALTOR®, EcoBroker® (Mainstreet Brokers)


Lane:

The pay back period on these throw away hybrids make it a worse investment than any vehicle on the road.  Let's face it, cars are not a good investment as it is.

03/05/2008 08:41 PM by » Bill Burress Nationwide Mortgage Originator


Michael - I have to refrain from political humor here.  I wish there was a cool diesel hybrid available right now... Got a million bucks?  I build you one and have a good shot at $10m in the X-Prize. 

Bill - I think if we start looking at the second and third generation models, they will look better... but the point is that the technology needs a little time to mature.  

03/05/2008 11:32 PM by Lane Bailey - REALTOR & Car Guy (Diamond Dwellings Realty)


Hi Lane - what a thorough, and understandable, explanation about the downside of using corn for fuel.  My friend and I were talking about this the other day, about how there would be no way to have enough space for corn to be viable, and then the consequences of using a food like that - animal feed, prices escalating, etc. - all points you touched on.  Well done, and you wrote so even I could understand it!

Ann

03/09/2008 03:25 PM by Portsmouth NH Homes Condos - Ann Cummings New Hampshire REALTOR® (RE/MAX Coast to Coast - Portsmouth New Hampshire)


Ann - I think there are some viable bio-fuels, but they would never be a primary source.  Oddly, I was talking with a friend of mine today about this very thing.  If you want to have some fun, google "oil shale" and "bio-mass fuel".  There are quite a few alternatives that would allow us to have greater independence.  

03/09/2008 04:09 PM by Lane Bailey - REALTOR & Car Guy (Diamond Dwellings Realty)


Hi Lane,

I thought you might find these links interesting.  College kids building hybrid racecars.  Maybe there is hope for the future!

In the second link from the University of Vt there is a link to newspaper article.  The kids are using 4 wheel regenerative braking and storing the electric in capacitors instead of batteries. My son is a Mechanical engineering major at UVM.  That's where I first heard about this project.  He's not very involved in the car build though ( I wish he was)

http://www.formula-hybrid.org/rules.php

http://www.cems.uvm.edu/~aero/

One comment on diesel fuel, the gov't needs to drop some the taxes!  Diesel is too expensive right now. I saw it today for like $3.89! I think most of that is highway taxes targeted at over the road trucks.

03/10/2008 05:16 PM by Bob Southard,e-Pro Powder Springs and Marietta Real Estate (Solid Source Realty)


Bob - Check out the Automotive X-Prize, too...  Don't start me on taxes...

03/10/2008 10:45 PM by Lane Bailey - REALTOR & Car Guy (Diamond Dwellings Realty)


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