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FORECLOSURE DEFICIENCY DECREE - COMPARED TO SHORT SALE NEGOTIATED PAYBACK

I was negotiating on a very large problem mortgage today with a high-up executive at the servicing firm.  He made a comment that I thought peculiar and I called him to task on the matter.

The comment was that "after the foreclosure sale, lenders seldom bother to get a court ordered deficiency judgment".  I knew this to be false, because lenders today - more than in the past - are investing a few hundred more in attorney fees to get a deficiency judgment.  I will tell you why.

But first, lets all get on the same page.  A deficiency judgment is obtained when a property is foreclosed and sold (usually at the courthouse by the clerk of the court) to the highest bidder.  In most states a "deficiency" judgment can be obtained for the difference between the high bid and the higher foreclosure judgment amount.  Usually the court determines which value is higher, the high bid or the appraised value of the property on the date of the public sale, and the higher of the two is taken to determine the difference from the judgment amount, and this difference is the deficiency judgment.

Ok, back to the discussion.  Deficiency judgments are just that - judgments.  They are a pain in the neck to the debtor and can only be removed by paying it off or by bankruptcy.  Further, money judgments usually earn interest until paid.  In Florida right now that rate is 11% a year - better than the bank by far!

Now the bank that gets the deficiency judgment might have said that they seldom enforce a deficiency judgment.  They are right.  They sell the judgments for 5 to 10 cents on the dollar.  So for a $100,000 deficiency judgment they invest $500 in attorney fees and get $10,000 in return just for pushing paper.

The problem with a money judgment, which is just what a deficiency judgment is, is that it won't allow you to buy anything on credit!  New house?  Forget it.  New car?  Forget it.  You want to sell a house?  You got to pay off the judgment (there are some exceptions to this rule).

So the question then can be brought over to unsecured promissory notes on short sale shortages.  Yes, the banks do the same thing.  They get about 5 cents on the dollar.

The executive on the phone laughed and told me I was right - both in the concept and in the pricing and that his firm helps companies that hold these packaged notes collect them from the borrowers.

There is a lot of discussion about how a short sale vs. foreclosure affects a FICO score.  Frankly, even if it were the same, the differences in having a deficiency money judgment and a negotiated note are HUGE differences and that alone should settle the dispute.

Copyright 2008 Richard P. Zaretsky, Esq.

 

Be sure to contact your own attorney for your state laws, and always consult your own attorney on any legal decision you need to make.  This article is for information purposes and is not specific advice to any one reader.

Richard Zaretsky, Esq., RICHARD P. ZARETSKY P.A. ATTORNEYS AT LAW, 1655 PALM BEACH LAKES BLVD, SUITE 900, WEST PALM BEACH, FLORIDA 33401, PHONE 561 689 6660  RPZ99@Florida-Counsel.com - FLORIDA BAR BOARD CERTIFIED IN REAL ESTATE LAW - We assist Brokers and Sellers with Short Sales and Modifications and Consult with Brokers and Sellers Nationwide!  Shortsales@Florida-Counsel.com  New Website www.Florida-Counsel.com.  See our easy to find articles at TABLE OF CONTENTS - SHORT SALE AND LOAN MODIFICATION ARTICLES.

 
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33 Comments on FORECLOSURE DEFICIENCY ORDER VS SHORT SALE NEGOTIATED PAYBACK

MAR
06
2008

Richard, great posting.

But I have to ask, what would happen if a house had PMI on it and the bank will not accept a short sale. The trend seems to be, the banks would rather foreclose & have PMI pay their share, then turn around sell off the house, so sometimes it seems the property owner doesn't have any choices. 1 other thing, you wrote about the court and appraised value. Are the courts only accepting appraisals or are they also using BPO's? Why this state considers a BPO to be an appraisal, I'll never know.

Thanks Mike

11:23pm • #1
MAR
07
2008
Richard, Your posts are always enlightening.  As a Realtor serving many short sale customers I appreciate your information and insights. 
5:45am • #2
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Mike (and others that have emailed me) -

First as to PMI.  The MI company is usually guarantying the top 20% of the first mortgage.  As such, in a short sale they must be a player.  What many confuse as reluctance on the part of the lender is actually deferal to the MI for some arrangement on shorting the mortgage. As with all other aspects of the lending and foreclosing process, it is a matter of economics. Say the top 20% is $100,000 (on a $500,000 loan).  The lender approved re-value is $275,000. In this case the MI is toast - there is no way they can get out of liability so they will  fold and allow the sale to go through since their liabiity is certain.  But make the re-value $400,000.  Now it is decision time - a 10% swing in values means a lot of money (percentage wise) to the MI.  Here the MI must determine, along with its insured (the lender) some compromise other than payout of the whole $100,000 of insurance.

On the BPO being accepted by the court.  My experience is no, it is not per se.  A report is not what is accepted - it is an opinion usually given by testimony (oral evidence) and can be but need not necessarily be accompanied by a written report, by a person the court is convinced by the lender is an expert on valuations of real property of the appropriate type in the community where the court sits.  The person is what you call an "expert witness" on valuation.  Usually such experts prepare at least the back up material for an appraisal in preparing for their testimony and coming up with an opinion.

Hope this helps.

Richard Zaretsky, Esq., RICHARD P. ZARETSKY P.A. ATTORNEYS AT LAW, 1655 PALM BEACH LAKES BLVD, SUITE 900, WEST PALM BEACH, FLORIDA 33401, PHONE 561 689 6660  RPZ99@FLORIDA-COUNSEL.COM - FLORIDA BAR BOARD CERTIFIED IN REAL ESTATE LAW - We assist Brokers and Sellers with Short Sales

7:49am • #3
Thank for your invaluable insight Richard. I always learn something from your blogs.
10:10am • #4
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Great information Richard. Thanks for keeping us in the know.

10:41am • #5

Richard, thanks for the reply to my questions, it does clear up some misconceptions about short sales.

Mike

1:28pm • #6
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Great information.  I always try to do the short sale before I let someone do a foreclosure, because when there is foreclosure there is bankruptcy to follow most of the time.  I don't want to waste a bankruptcy just for the house issue if no other debt is there if we can settle it instead.  
7:51pm • #7
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Stella

I just had that discussion with clients today.

My simple explanation was, you go to the doctor and he says you may need an operation, but there are some drug treatments that might help and avoid the operation.  Do you just do the operation or do you try the drugs and if they don't work, then do the operation?

Same logic.  Do you do the foreclosure and bankruptcy or do you first do the short sale?  If it does not work out, or you get stuck with a bill you can't pay, then you can always do the bankruptcy.  In any case you avoid the judgment against you (even a bankruptcy drops from your record before a deficiency judgment!).

Richard Zaretsky, Esq., RICHARD P. ZARETSKY P.A. ATTORNEYS AT LAW, 1655 PALM BEACH LAKES BLVD, SUITE 900, WEST PALM BEACH, FLORIDA 33401, PHONE 561 689 6660  RPZ99@FLORIDA-COUNSEL.COM - FLORIDA BAR BOARD CERTIFIED IN REAL ESTATE LAW - We assist Brokers and Sellers with Short Sales

8:00pm • #8
MAR
09
2008
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I keep reading and get more confused so I think I will stop reading.  Too much confusion.
8:01am • #9
MAR
18
2008

Richard,

 

 

I am in an odd situation, I currently have a property that is in the process of foreclosure and the place has fire damage. When the fire occurred 23k was put into escrow for the property and the balance on the property is 29k. I submitted a payoff amount to the bank for them to accept the insurance money for payment in full which he sent me an email back that it was accepted but then 3 weeks later I contacted him for a satisfaction letter and he told me that it wasnt accepted. I was in-touch with the loss and mitigation dept with the bank and the person I have been corresponding with stated that since there was another 14k that was released and that they are waiting on a demolition estimate for the property that this is holding up the payoff of the property. My partner had given me the 14k as a buyout for this property and 5 others that we owned together but the other 5 transferred and this one did not. My partner and his new partner were supposed to complete the buyout over 2 years ago and it is still sitting in my name and now facing foreclosure. My partner is now filing bankruptcy and I am concerned that I will have to payoff the 6000 dollars difference between the balance of the loan and the insurance money in escrow. What can happen here? If they do not accept the insurance money for the payoff in full will I be held liable for the difference since my partner is going through bankruptcy? Since I received and email from the agent at the bank stating that it was accepted, does that hold any weight? What do you suggest?

Bob
12:44pm • #10

 

Richard,

 One more thing I would like to add, I am only a co-signer on this property. Does this change the equation?

12:48pm • #11
APR
03
2008
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Bob

This matter is best discussed privately since it involves you personally.  Please feel free to call me at my office .

Richard Zaretsky, Esq., RICHARD P. ZARETSKY P.A. ATTORNEYS AT LAW, 1655 PALM BEACH LAKES BLVD, SUITE 900, WEST PALM BEACH, FLORIDA 33401, PHONE 561 689 6660  RPZ99@FLORIDA-COUNSEL.COM - FLORIDA BAR BOARD CERTIFIED IN REAL ESTATE LAW - We assist Brokers and Sellers with Short Sales

8:47am • #12
MAY
01
2008

Hello, can you explain what a "Subject to" is?? to me, it sounds very similar to a "short sale" but I'm told that is different.

J Cobos
11:43pm • #13
MAY
02
2008
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J Cobos

"Subject To" can relate to many matters.  Generally it means there is a matter reliant upon something happening.  For example, in a short sale the "subject to" would be the pre-condition that the lender accept the purchase and sale offer of the buyer.

It can also mean a pre-condition upon an inspection of the property, or receipt of an appraisal reaching a certain value, or many other things.

Richard Zaretsky, Esq., RICHARD P. ZARETSKY P.A. ATTORNEYS AT LAW, 1655 PALM BEACH LAKES BLVD, SUITE 900, WEST PALM BEACH, FLORIDA 33401, PHONE 561 689 6660  RPZ99@FLORIDA-COUNSEL.COM - FLORIDA BAR BOARD CERTIFIED IN REAL ESTATE LAW - We assist Brokers and Sellers with Short Sales and Consult with Brokers and Sellers Nationwide!  Shortsales@Florida-Counsel.com

7:49am • #14

Thank you very much for your response.  I guess my best bet is to consult with an attorney before comitting to anything.  Thank you again.

J.Cobos

J. Cobos
6:58pm • #15
MAY
21
2008

hi Richard.  can a lender get a deficiency judgment regardless of whether or not money was taken out of a home in a refinance.  in other words, does it make any difference at all if the debt is purchase money or a refinance where money was taken out to by a car or boat for example?  am i mixing apples with oranges?  thanks.

Tracy
8:30pm • #16
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Tracy -

There is no relationship to use of proceeds and a deficiency judgment or demand for repayment by the lender.

You are speaking of theoretical morality and there is no baseline for what might be the correct decision, as it is purely subject to each individual's concepts of that morality.  Therefore, there is zero relationship in the financial decision.

8:42pm • #17
MAY
22
2008

But there is no ability to obtain a deficiency judgment if we're talking about non-recourse debt, correct?  as i write this i realize that Florida might be different from California though.  thanks.

Tracy Otsuka
2:59pm • #18
MAY
23
2008
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If the debt is non-recourse, well then there is no recourse to the borrower for the debt - the sole asset reachable is the collateral secured by the mortgage - the house.

California does have non-recourse loans.  Any loan can be non-recourse if that is what it says.  But most loans (except where governed by state law or the explicit terms of the contract) are recourse loans.

Richard Zaretsky, Esq., RICHARD P. ZARETSKY P.A. ATTORNEYS AT LAW, 1655 PALM BEACH LAKES BLVD, SUITE 900, WEST PALM BEACH, FLORIDA 33401, PHONE 561 689 6660  RPZ99@FLORIDA-COUNSEL.COM - FLORIDA BAR BOARD CERTIFIED IN REAL ESTATE LAW - We assist Brokers and Sellers with Short Sales and Consult with Brokers and Sellers Nationwide!  Shortsales@Florida-Counsel.com

9:13am • #19
MAY
26
2008

Richard, i just want to thank you for being such a great resource for all of us!

tracy otsuka
11:14am • #20
JUN
11
2008
SEP
19
2008

what happens when a lender does not have the original note, they told me that the title can be cleared and the debit will be place as a personal loan per say, to me it sounds to good to be true. in that case the person could just file chapter 7 and fully clear the debit and have a free and clear home? Is this true?

Thanks Great blog, 

yuri
12:33pm • #22
SEP
21
2008
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Dear Yuri

Under Florida law, and most other states, a lost note can be enforced provided some unrebuttable proof can be offerred that shows:

1. who owes the debt

2. how much the debt is

3. the interest rate on the debt

One of the big issues of the three (since the amount is usually tied to the recorded mortgage which because of its recording is not required to be produced to the court) is the WHO question.  Many notes are signed by only one owner while both owners sign the mortgage.

"Just filing Chapter 7" is a scary statement -- no one should take filing for bankruptcy lightly and indeed it is an absolutely last resort - like chopping of your toe instead of trimming the toe nail.

No one gets a free and clear home by filing for bankruptcy.  Advice like that is rubbish. In a bankruptcy filing you must still make the full payment on your house or it will be foreclosed.  The only difference is that the deficiency if any cannot be collected against you.

Be sure to contact your own attorney for your state laws, and always consult your own attorney on any legal decision you need to make.  This article is for information purposes and is not specific advice to any one reader.

Richard Zaretsky, Esq., RICHARD P. ZARETSKY P.A. ATTORNEYS AT LAW, 1655 PALM BEACH LAKES BLVD, SUITE 900, WEST PALM BEACH, FLORIDA 33401, PHONE 561 689 6660  RPZ99@FLORIDA-COUNSEL.COM - FLORIDA BAR BOARD CERTIFIED IN REAL ESTATE LAW - We assist Brokers and Sellers with Short Sales and Modifications and Consult with Brokers and Sellers Nationwide!  Shortsales@Florida-Counsel.com

6:17am • #23
SEP
22
2008

I am in California - is it legal for the Lender to require a non-secure deficiency loan on a short sale transaction.  If so, what will prevent once sale is closed, clients to file bankruptcy and include non-secure loan in bankruptcy proceedings?  Is this part of the game?????

I was told that due to California being a "Trustee-State" the taking back of the home is sole recourse.

In a Foreclosure/Bankruptcy the property is taken back - and the previous owner looses everything, since in California there is no equity in the homes.   Homes are sold at market value, previous homeowner has foreclosure on credit with no other monetary repercussions.

Eva
5:02pm • #24
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Calling California Attorneys -

Someone want to straighten out poor confused Eva on the law in California?

7:27pm • #25
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Calling California Attorneys -

Someone want to straighten out poor confused Eva on the law in California?

7:27pm • #26
NOV
18
2008

This is a great topic and one that sellers are not well educated on mainly because there seems to be so much confusion on this topic.  Sellers that are rushing to get out of their houses, short sale, foreclose, etc have so many issues to consider - they haven't got a clue what is waiting for them on the other side....and neither do most realtors.

8:34am • #27
MAY
01
2009

This is great information, thank you for providing explanations in a simple to understand format.

A question I have is, what if you have a second loan on your house and the short sale offer comes in at, or below your primary loan, leaving your second loan out in the cold. Can the lender holding the second mortgage prevent the short sale from going through, and what course of action could the lender take?

Thank you,

Jack

Jack
9:51pm • #28
JUL
24
2009

I am the cosigner of preforeclosure mort that has contract with buyer in a short sale. The mortgage co is dragging its feet (almost a year with contract). Now they want financial statements from us. As a co-signer do I have to give this? Then will they come after me for deficiency? (I own my own home and have good credit. I foolishly co-signed on my daughter & ex-son-in-laws mort). It is a HUD loan with a SHIPS fund second loan. Will contacting HUD help move the mort co. along? What are my options as a co-signer? Don't want a deficiency judgement on my home.

Sue
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Can't believe it is a year - that is inexcusable!

The answer is, no, you don't have to give the lender any information - but if you don't you can expect the short sale to be declined (but no guarantee - it could be approved!).

Now for the rest of the story - and don't shoot the messenger.  As a co-signor you have individually guaranteed the performance on the promissory note.  However, your home, assuming it is your legal homestead, is protected from forced sale by any creditors.  But that will not prevent the lender from pursuing you for any deficiency.

 

1:28pm • #31
AUG
25
2009

I have a property in FL as a second home and it apprised as 30% of my current mortgage amount. If I try "short sale" solution, is it possible to negotiate with lender to be able to protect yourself from deficiency judgment in the future? One more thing, is it true, that lender reports the difference to IRS and the difference comes to my income for the year and I'll have to pay taxes on it?

 

 

 

Dave
9:12am • #32
AUG
27
2009
JAN
23
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yes they look so nice but Foreclosures are such tough on to stomach.

 
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