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FORECLOSURE DEFICIENCY ORDER VS SHORT SALE NEGOTIATED PAYBACK

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Real Estate Attorney with THE ZARETSKY LAW GROUP - Board Certified Real Estate Atty and AUTOMATED LAND TITLE COMPANY

FORECLOSURE DEFICIENCY DECREE - COMPARED TO SHORT SALE NEGOTIATED PAYBACK

I was negotiating on a very large problem mortgage today with a high-up executive at the servicing firm.  He made a comment that I thought peculiar and I called him to task on the matter.

The comment was that "after the foreclosure sale, lenders seldom bother to get a court ordered deficiency judgment".  I knew this to be false, because lenders today - more than in the past - are investing a few hundred more in attorney fees to get a deficiency judgment.  I will tell you why.

But first, lets all get on the same page.  A deficiency judgment is obtained when a property is foreclosed and sold (usually at the courthouse by the clerk of the court) to the highest bidder.  In most states a "deficiency" judgment can be obtained for the difference between the high bid and the higher foreclosure judgment amount.  Usually the court determines which value is higher, the high bid or the appraised value of the property on the date of the public sale, and the higher of the two is taken to determine the difference from the judgment amount, and this difference is the deficiency judgment.

Ok, back to the discussion.  Deficiency judgments are just that - judgments.  They are a pain in the neck to the debtor and can only be removed by paying it off or by bankruptcy.  Further, money judgments usually earn interest until paid.  In Florida right now that rate is 11% a year - better than the bank by far!

Now the bank that gets the deficiency judgment might have said that they seldom enforce a deficiency judgment.  They are right.  They sell the judgments for 5 to 10 cents on the dollar.  So for a $100,000 deficiency judgment they invest $500 in attorney fees and get $10,000 in return just for pushing paper.

The problem with a money judgment, which is just what a deficiency judgment is, is that it won't allow you to buy anything on credit!  New house?  Forget it.  New car?  Forget it.  You want to sell a house?  You got to pay off the judgment (there are some exceptions to this rule).

So the question then can be brought over to unsecured promissory notes on short sale shortages.  Yes, the banks do the same thing.  They get about 5 cents on the dollar.

The executive on the phone laughed and told me I was right - both in the concept and in the pricing and that his firm helps companies that hold these packaged notes collect them from the borrowers.

There is a lot of discussion about how a short sale vs. foreclosure affects a FICO score.  Frankly, even if it were the same, the differences in having a deficiency money judgment and a negotiated note are HUGE differences and that alone should settle the dispute.

Copyright 2008 Richard P. Zaretsky, Esq.

 

Be sure to contact your own attorney for your state laws, and always consult your own attorney on any legal decision you need to make.  This article is for information purposes and is not specific advice to any one reader.

Richard Zaretsky, Esq., RICHARD P. ZARETSKY P.A. ATTORNEYS AT LAW, 1655 PALM BEACH LAKES BLVD, SUITE 900, WEST PALM BEACH, FLORIDA 33401, PHONE 561 689 6660  RPZ99@Florida-Counsel.com - FLORIDA BAR BOARD CERTIFIED IN REAL ESTATE LAW - We assist Brokers and Sellers with Short Sales and Modifications and Consult with Brokers and Sellers Nationwide!  Shortsales@Florida-Counsel.com  New Website www.Florida-Counsel.com.  See our easy to find articles at TABLE OF CONTENTS - SHORT SALE AND LOAN MODIFICATION ARTICLES.

Richard Zaretsky
THE ZARETSKY LAW GROUP - Board Certified Real Estate Atty and AUTOMATED LAND TITLE COMPANY - West Palm Beach, FL
Florida Real Estate Attorney

J Cobos

"Subject To" can relate to many matters.  Generally it means there is a matter reliant upon something happening.  For example, in a short sale the "subject to" would be the pre-condition that the lender accept the purchase and sale offer of the buyer.

It can also mean a pre-condition upon an inspection of the property, or receipt of an appraisal reaching a certain value, or many other things.

Richard Zaretsky, Esq., RICHARD P. ZARETSKY P.A. ATTORNEYS AT LAW, 1655 PALM BEACH LAKES BLVD, SUITE 900, WEST PALM BEACH, FLORIDA 33401, PHONE 561 689 6660  RPZ99@FLORIDA-COUNSEL.COM - FLORIDA BAR BOARD CERTIFIED IN REAL ESTATE LAW - We assist Brokers and Sellers with Short Sales and Consult with Brokers and Sellers Nationwide!  Shortsales@Florida-Counsel.com

May 02, 2008 12:49 AM
Anonymous
J. Cobos

Thank you very much for your response.  I guess my best bet is to consult with an attorney before comitting to anything.  Thank you again.

J.Cobos

May 02, 2008 11:58 AM
#15
Anonymous
Tracy

hi Richard.  can a lender get a deficiency judgment regardless of whether or not money was taken out of a home in a refinance.  in other words, does it make any difference at all if the debt is purchase money or a refinance where money was taken out to by a car or boat for example?  am i mixing apples with oranges?  thanks.

May 21, 2008 01:30 PM
#16
Richard Zaretsky
THE ZARETSKY LAW GROUP - Board Certified Real Estate Atty and AUTOMATED LAND TITLE COMPANY - West Palm Beach, FL
Florida Real Estate Attorney

Tracy -

There is no relationship to use of proceeds and a deficiency judgment or demand for repayment by the lender.

You are speaking of theoretical morality and there is no baseline for what might be the correct decision, as it is purely subject to each individual's concepts of that morality.  Therefore, there is zero relationship in the financial decision.

May 21, 2008 01:42 PM
Anonymous
Tracy Otsuka

But there is no ability to obtain a deficiency judgment if we're talking about non-recourse debt, correct?  as i write this i realize that Florida might be different from California though.  thanks.

May 22, 2008 07:59 AM
#18
Richard Zaretsky
THE ZARETSKY LAW GROUP - Board Certified Real Estate Atty and AUTOMATED LAND TITLE COMPANY - West Palm Beach, FL
Florida Real Estate Attorney

If the debt is non-recourse, well then there is no recourse to the borrower for the debt - the sole asset reachable is the collateral secured by the mortgage - the house.

California does have non-recourse loans.  Any loan can be non-recourse if that is what it says.  But most loans (except where governed by state law or the explicit terms of the contract) are recourse loans.

Richard Zaretsky, Esq., RICHARD P. ZARETSKY P.A. ATTORNEYS AT LAW, 1655 PALM BEACH LAKES BLVD, SUITE 900, WEST PALM BEACH, FLORIDA 33401, PHONE 561 689 6660  RPZ99@FLORIDA-COUNSEL.COM - FLORIDA BAR BOARD CERTIFIED IN REAL ESTATE LAW - We assist Brokers and Sellers with Short Sales and Consult with Brokers and Sellers Nationwide!  Shortsales@Florida-Counsel.com

May 23, 2008 02:13 AM
Anonymous
tracy otsuka

Richard, i just want to thank you for being such a great resource for all of us!

May 26, 2008 04:14 AM
#20
Josh Holt
RE/MAX Coast To Coast~ Dedicated to You! - Berwick, ME
Southern Maine and NH Real Estate - Your Source of Info on the Berwicks

GREAT post Richard. Look forward to reading your next one. Thanks.

j

Jun 11, 2008 01:28 AM
Anonymous
yuri

what happens when a lender does not have the original note, they told me that the title can be cleared and the debit will be place as a personal loan per say, to me it sounds to good to be true. in that case the person could just file chapter 7 and fully clear the debit and have a free and clear home? Is this true?

Thanks Great blog, 

Sep 19, 2008 05:33 AM
#22
Richard Zaretsky
THE ZARETSKY LAW GROUP - Board Certified Real Estate Atty and AUTOMATED LAND TITLE COMPANY - West Palm Beach, FL
Florida Real Estate Attorney

Dear Yuri

Under Florida law, and most other states, a lost note can be enforced provided some unrebuttable proof can be offerred that shows:

1. who owes the debt

2. how much the debt is

3. the interest rate on the debt

One of the big issues of the three (since the amount is usually tied to the recorded mortgage which because of its recording is not required to be produced to the court) is the WHO question.  Many notes are signed by only one owner while both owners sign the mortgage.

"Just filing Chapter 7" is a scary statement -- no one should take filing for bankruptcy lightly and indeed it is an absolutely last resort - like chopping of your toe instead of trimming the toe nail.

No one gets a free and clear home by filing for bankruptcy.  Advice like that is rubbish. In a bankruptcy filing you must still make the full payment on your house or it will be foreclosed.  The only difference is that the deficiency if any cannot be collected against you.

Be sure to contact your own attorney for your state laws, and always consult your own attorney on any legal decision you need to make.  This article is for information purposes and is not specific advice to any one reader.

Richard Zaretsky, Esq., RICHARD P. ZARETSKY P.A. ATTORNEYS AT LAW, 1655 PALM BEACH LAKES BLVD, SUITE 900, WEST PALM BEACH, FLORIDA 33401, PHONE 561 689 6660  RPZ99@FLORIDA-COUNSEL.COM - FLORIDA BAR BOARD CERTIFIED IN REAL ESTATE LAW - We assist Brokers and Sellers with Short Sales and Modifications and Consult with Brokers and Sellers Nationwide!  Shortsales@Florida-Counsel.com

Sep 20, 2008 11:17 PM
Anonymous
Eva

I am in California - is it legal for the Lender to require a non-secure deficiency loan on a short sale transaction.  If so, what will prevent once sale is closed, clients to file bankruptcy and include non-secure loan in bankruptcy proceedings?  Is this part of the game?????

I was told that due to California being a "Trustee-State" the taking back of the home is sole recourse.

In a Foreclosure/Bankruptcy the property is taken back - and the previous owner looses everything, since in California there is no equity in the homes.   Homes are sold at market value, previous homeowner has foreclosure on credit with no other monetary repercussions.

Sep 22, 2008 10:02 AM
#24
Richard Zaretsky
THE ZARETSKY LAW GROUP - Board Certified Real Estate Atty and AUTOMATED LAND TITLE COMPANY - West Palm Beach, FL
Florida Real Estate Attorney

Calling California Attorneys -

Someone want to straighten out poor confused Eva on the law in California?

Sep 22, 2008 12:27 PM
Richard Zaretsky
THE ZARETSKY LAW GROUP - Board Certified Real Estate Atty and AUTOMATED LAND TITLE COMPANY - West Palm Beach, FL
Florida Real Estate Attorney

Calling California Attorneys -

Someone want to straighten out poor confused Eva on the law in California?

Sep 22, 2008 12:27 PM
Dawn Harmon, San Diego Realtor, Broker/Owner
Pacific Homes & Estates - San Diego, CA

This is a great topic and one that sellers are not well educated on mainly because there seems to be so much confusion on this topic.  Sellers that are rushing to get out of their houses, short sale, foreclose, etc have so many issues to consider - they haven't got a clue what is waiting for them on the other side....and neither do most realtors.

Nov 18, 2008 12:34 AM
Anonymous
Jack

This is great information, thank you for providing explanations in a simple to understand format.

A question I have is, what if you have a second loan on your house and the short sale offer comes in at, or below your primary loan, leaving your second loan out in the cold. Can the lender holding the second mortgage prevent the short sale from going through, and what course of action could the lender take?

Thank you,

Jack

May 01, 2009 02:51 PM
#28
Anonymous
Sue

I am the cosigner of preforeclosure mort that has contract with buyer in a short sale. The mortgage co is dragging its feet (almost a year with contract). Now they want financial statements from us. As a co-signer do I have to give this? Then will they come after me for deficiency? (I own my own home and have good credit. I foolishly co-signed on my daughter & ex-son-in-laws mort). It is a HUD loan with a SHIPS fund second loan. Will contacting HUD help move the mort co. along? What are my options as a co-signer? Don't want a deficiency judgement on my home.

Jul 24, 2009 03:29 AM
#29
Richard Zaretsky
THE ZARETSKY LAW GROUP - Board Certified Real Estate Atty and AUTOMATED LAND TITLE COMPANY - West Palm Beach, FL
Florida Real Estate Attorney

Can't believe it is a year - that is inexcusable!

The answer is, no, you don't have to give the lender any information - but if you don't you can expect the short sale to be declined (but no guarantee - it could be approved!).

Now for the rest of the story - and don't shoot the messenger.  As a co-signor you have individually guaranteed the performance on the promissory note.  However, your home, assuming it is your legal homestead, is protected from forced sale by any creditors.  But that will not prevent the lender from pursuing you for any deficiency.

 

Jul 24, 2009 06:28 AM
Anonymous
Dave

I have a property in FL as a second home and it apprised as 30% of my current mortgage amount. If I try "short sale" solution, is it possible to negotiate with lender to be able to protect yourself from deficiency judgment in the future? One more thing, is it true, that lender reports the difference to IRS and the difference comes to my income for the year and I'll have to pay taxes on it?

 

 

 

Aug 25, 2009 02:12 AM
#31
Richard Zaretsky
THE ZARETSKY LAW GROUP - Board Certified Real Estate Atty and AUTOMATED LAND TITLE COMPANY - West Palm Beach, FL
Florida Real Estate Attorney

Dave - see this article for your answers:  SHORT SALES PRIMER - BACK TO BASICS UPDATED

Aug 27, 2009 12:46 AM
Paul Gapski
Berkshire Hathaway / Prudential Ca Realty - El Cajon, CA
619-504-8999,#1 Resource SD Relo

yes they look so nice but Foreclosures are such tough on to stomach.

 
Jan 22, 2012 04:09 PM