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This Is What Happens When You Send An Economist To A Closing:

By
Real Estate Broker/Owner with New Paradigm Partners LLC EB #1326335

I was at a closing last week and marveled at the sheer volume of paperwork contained in the loan closing package, which included no less than 6 forms in which the buyer attested - in slightly different wording - to the same basic fact. There were plenty of other multiple redundancies, but that one got me thinking:

Who came up with these forms? Who decided we needed 6 of them? How many people have been and will be involved in the chain of activity revolving around the discussion, creation, production, distribution, execution, duplication, dissemination and storage of these forms?

Where It All GoesAnd what a wonderfully affluent society we live in when we can afford to keep so many people gainfully employed on such completely wasteful and meaningless activity.

It's pretty easy to see countless examples of this kind of idiocy anywhere you care to look - it doesn't matter if it's the private sector or the public sector. In the real estate industry, we seem to have an especially excellent view of both.

I marvel at this even more when I put on my economist hat, and I have to ask:

Is this how we really want to apply our bountiful, yet still limited, resources? Is there nothing better for us to attempt as a society? Is it just too late to regain some control and sensibility? Are we doomed?

Seeing a problem and doing something constructive about it are two different things. Even if we each just look at our own little world and try to change things, it's really difficult if we're swimming against the current. And it's easy to ignore the big picture when you're comfortable at your own scale.

But I don't want to have to stop thinking and seeing to find comfort. I know it's time for some big changes, and I'd really like to see some signs of that anytime now. Really, anytime now....

Posted by
Mary & Dick

Mary & Dick Greenberg
New Paradigm Partners LLC
2601 S. Lemay Ave. #41
Fort Collins, CO 80525
970-689-4663
www.maryanddick.com

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Data Source: IRES MLS

Comments(68)

Brad MacKenzie
Brad MacKenzie - Duxbury, MA
Turning Houses into Homes on the South Shore

Sad, really.  There should be a department of redundancy department to oversee these things.

Aug 28, 2013 12:11 AM
Ron Aguilar
Gateway Mortgage Group - Saint George, UT
Mortgage & Real Estate Advisor since 1995

folks, its only going to get worse.

Aug 28, 2013 12:29 AM
Karen Steed
Tallapoosa, Bremen, Waco, Buchanan, Temple, Carrollton - Tallapoosa, GA
Associate Broker Haralson Realty

And everyone needs to save a paper copy of everything, because the servers can be corrupted, and you can loose all your cloud stored data...

Aug 28, 2013 12:31 AM
Raymond Denton
Homesmart / Evergreen Realty - Irvine, CA
Irvine RealtorĀ®

There are 6 "annuity" disclosures in my loan application package for an FHA-insured Reverse Mortgage, that all say the same thing, but a little differently.  And those same disclosures are signed again, when the loan closes.

Aug 28, 2013 12:54 AM
Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
Real Estate Broker Retired

You've just noticed it? It's been going on for awhile & the push for going paperless is going nowhere fast. In this age of CYA, there will always be more & more of this paperwork.

Aug 28, 2013 01:42 AM
Jordan Gouger
Keller Williams Realty Inc. - Austin, TX
Helping you to achieve your housing goals!

It is annoying to say the least but it is a reality of the mortgage market now. I am constantly amazed that mortgages and closing documents are not electronic when almost everything else involved in real estate is.

Aug 28, 2013 02:09 AM
Gene Riemenschneider
Home Point Real Estate - Brentwood, CA
Turning Houses into Homes

I see this with disclosures all the time.  I also see agents/brokerages/assistants that cannot figure them out so just have you sign everything - even if it is not relevant or worse yet contrary to the contract.

Aug 28, 2013 02:27 AM
Eric Allee
Vanguard Hard Money - Los Angeles, CA
California Hard Money

Loan documents are coming across my desk that have 100 plus pages for the borrower to sign. It's ridiculous. 

Aug 28, 2013 02:28 AM
Anonymous
Ron Buck

The state of CA has brought on new forms and retired others but the individual real estate companies continue to want their own disclosures which are completely redundant to the disclosures already put in place by the state. I think they just like seeing their name in print. California has escrow companies and there are no lawyers at closing. When I attended my daughters closing a few years ago I observed the two lawyers chatting and drinking coffee and I was the one to find a thousand dollar mistake on the closing docs.

Aug 28, 2013 02:33 AM
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Sylvia Jonathan
Coldwell Banker Platinum Properties - Irvine, CA
Broker Associate, SFR

I think attorneys have a lot to do with the disclosure inundation. And of course the litigious clients looking for the imaginary deep pocket of brokers and Realtors.

Aug 28, 2013 03:54 AM
Marte Cliff
Marte Cliff Copywriting - Priest River, ID
Your real estate writer

And the more layers and people involved the greater the chances that it will all get messed up! 

How can the economy and the country survive when we quit producing things and instead pay a myriad of people just to push paper - especially paper that doesn't need to be pushed? 

Aug 28, 2013 04:46 AM
Travis "the SOLD man" Parker; Broker/Owner
Travis Realty - Enterprise, AL
email: Travis@theSOLDman.me / cell: 334-494-7846

heyyyyy - what about all those people who get paid by the page to come up with those redundant forms, but still have to make the wording JUST different enuff to justify it.....they have families too....

Aug 28, 2013 05:26 AM
Bob Miller
Keller Williams Cornerstone Realty - Ocala, FL
The Ocala Dream Team

Hi Dick, attorneys!  Even in states like ours where it is primarily title companies that do closings, the attorneys are always driving!

Aug 28, 2013 06:00 AM
Kimo Jarrett
Cyber Properties - Huntington Beach, CA
Pro Lifestyle Solutions

It's all about providing copies to TPA's with wet signatures. The robo administrative assistant was permanently retired, now everybody in the process wants a document with a wet signature, why? Perhaps to CYA.

Aug 28, 2013 06:59 AM
Helen and Larry Prier- Re-Max Gateway - Residential Real Estate
RE-MAX Gateway- Residential Real Estate Sales - Anacortes, WA
Anacortes & surrounding Skagit & Island Counties

Dick, I love it when you have to sign paperwork to say that you are who you are that you are not lying about it. All in the same sitting. Who thinks like that? It is ridiculous

Aug 28, 2013 07:11 AM
Monique Ting
INET Realty Honolulu, HI - Honolulu, HI
Your agent under the sun

Funny how our modern society has become so complicated... We have created all of those jobs togenerate tons of documents that hardly anyone understands... And to think that back in the 70's we thought that computer use would eliminate the need for paper!

Aug 28, 2013 10:35 AM
Sharon Parisi
United Real Estate Dallas - Dallas, TX
Dallas Homes

Dick, like you, I am continually amazed by the quantity of closing paperwork. 

Aug 28, 2013 01:15 PM
Evelyn Johnston
Friends & Neighbors Real Estate - Elkhart, IN
The People You Know, Like and Trust!
I am in the learning curve of getting my business from paper to paperless, it all starts with ourselves.
Aug 29, 2013 12:39 AM
Ron Marshall
Marshall Enterprises - Saint Michael, MN
Birdhouse Builder Extraordinaire

Classic....what a wonderfully affluent society we live in when we can afford to keep so many people gainfully employed on such completely wasteful and meaningless activity.  

Thanks for reminding us.  You wouldn't believe the snafu I just ran into.  (Does anyone even use that word anymore?!?)

Aug 29, 2013 06:55 AM
Pam Graham
All Real Estate Options - Jacksonville, FL
Jacksonville, Clay & St Johns Counties

I was at a closing yesterday and the buyer had to fill out a form that was really kind of pointless. We talked about the why and I think it boils down to something happening that someone got burnt from, speaking mainly about the lender, and to protect their butts this extra form has appeared at closing tables across America.

Aug 30, 2013 07:01 AM