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More Shenaningans From Those Troublesome HOAs

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Real Estate Attorney with http://www.medicalandspaconsulting.com

Just in case you believe that Home Owners’ Associations (HOAs) have too much time on their hands and too much control, here is yet another restrictive HOA story.  In many states, neighborhood homeowners’ associations (HOAs) can regulate just about anything – and everything – they wish. However, at least in New York, the HOA cannot tell you who you can and cannot support via a political yard sign. A state Supreme Court decision made last week established that local HOAs “do not have the authority to ban residents from displaying political signs.” The ruling came in response to a nine-year battle between local homeowners and their HOA, which had been fining them five dollars a day for every sign they placed in their yard. Ultimately, the HOA placed a lien on the home for $1,070. The HOA argued that the covenants in the neighborhood restricted “additional sign[s] or other advertising devices of any nature…placed for display to the public view on any home, in any window of any home, on any lot or other portion of the property.” The plaintiffs argued that the restrictions applied to advertising only and the court agreed that the rules did not apply to political signs. The homeowners are also protected from further levying of fines as part of the ruling.

 

Undoubtedly, the HOA will amend its by-laws to include any sign, not just advertising signs, but this is a minor victory against obtrusive HOA activity. In my experience, HOAs are run by people with too much time on their hands and too much desire to regulate….”autonomous dictatorships”, I call them.   

What is the average HOA by-laws length?  500 pages?  I have seen them to be over 1,000 pages and no one ever reads them (except those that patrol the neighborhoods scouring the community for violations).  Yup, those same people that have too much time on their hands. Hey, I am just happy that spell-check recognized 'shenanigans" LOL

 

Paddy Deighan J.D. Ph.D

 

http://www.homesavers.pro

Andrea Swiedler
Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices New England Properties - New Milford, CT
Realtor, Southern Litchfield County CT

So here is a question I would love to know the answer to. For those who are complaining about these type of signs, were they on the other side of the political fence? I am sure it would be considered an irrelevant point, but not to me. I would venture to say that if they were on the same side of the fence there would be no complaint.

However, I agree. People have too much time on their hands and many get on such a power trip it makes my head spin. 

When the shoe is on the other foot.... 

Makes you want to make a donation to one of those non profits that place those plastic flamigo's all over someones yard... only with little placards hanging from each and every one of their little pink necks advertising the non profit. 

Sep 03, 2013 08:40 PM
Steven Cook
No Longer Processing Mortgages. - Tacoma, WA

Paddy -- having only seen three HOA covenants (and two of those were for condos) the size was considerably less - the longest was only about 140 pages.  The shortest was about 15-20.   They can be overly interpreted in some cases, and that just causes problems for the group - and can actually negatively impact the value of the residences in the HOA.

Sep 04, 2013 01:56 AM
Paddy Deighan MBA JD PhD
http://www.medicalandspaconsulting.com - Vail, CO
Paddy Deighan J.D. Ph.D

Andrea, I  could not agree more...we are a polarized society and people in power such as an HOA will ignore somehting unless it is aganst the indovidual HOA dictator's personal view...i wil go a step further and blame Obama for teh polarization. My sister is not longer friends with a 60+ year friendship because of politics and that would never have happened even a few years ago

Sep 04, 2013 05:00 AM
Brian Park
Park Realty Investments - Murray, UT

I am a little late to the party, make that very late. Why doesn't the first amendment override this restriction?

Oct 20, 2013 04:31 AM
Paddy Deighan MBA JD PhD
http://www.medicalandspaconsulting.com - Vail, CO
Paddy Deighan J.D. Ph.D

Brian...there is a First Amendment argument here as well....the counter to that would be that the HOA is regilating a sign, any sign and not just a political sign...B.S.,, I know but it is what they would say

Oct 20, 2013 06:50 PM