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Its Not A Buyer's Business If A Seller Makes A Profit On Their Home!

By
Real Estate Broker/Owner with KGC Properties LLC, Tucson Property Management & Real Estate

Receiving an offer on a home, the buyer agent writes, “We know the Seller only paid XYZ for the home, so that’s what we are basing our offer on. We know that it is low – but the Seller will still make money and be able to pay off his loan.”

Huh? I think. That Seller bought the home 19 years ago – what on earth?! How is that relevant today? And is it really your position to make financial decisions for a Seller?

I don’t think so. I think, as an agent, recommending that any buyer make an offer based on what someone else paid for the home is, well, ridiculous.

Here are two examples as to why:

My parents paid $32,000.00 for their home in Hawaii many years ago. The market value for a home in Hawaii, on an acre of land, a mile from the beach – is worth way more than that now.  Imagine if they received an offer on their home today, based on what they paid for it. Along those same lines, even if someone bought a home 10 years ago at a good price – or if an investor bought a home to "flip" where the whole idea is to make a profit - it has no basis for pricing your offer.

Another example, if you are seriously going to base an offer on the past price, then there would be no short sales. Think about it – say a home bought during the frenzy cost a Seller, say $200,000. But that home value today is only $120,000. If you are going to judge what a Seller needs, and are basing it on what they paid for a home, then why not submit an offer for exactly what they paid for it?  You wouldn't do that would you?  

Just because someone doesn't owe much or paid little for the home, does that make it OK to write a low offer? Seriously, I struggle when I see the type of rationale agents use when they submit offers with irrational price basis.

Buyers, if you are looking to buy a home, forget what the Seller paid for the home, it’s not important to you or your agent, and it will not help you get a better deal.  The profit a Seller makes on a home is no ones concern but theirs, has no relevance with your decision to buy or not buy or what you can afford to pay and it has nothing to do with what the current market values are.  And bottom line, it is none of your businss if a seller makes a profit on a home they invested in!

What is important is today’s pricing, the condition of the home right now, and if it is something you can afford. 

(Photo courtesy of my friend at Reimaging Photography.)

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Comments(39)

Rebecca Reynolds
Right Style Realty - Newton, MA
Achieve everything in Real Estate with Right Style

A little knowledge.. 

While working as a Buyer agent, I often came across young enthusiastic clients who thought they were being smart, thoughtful and well informed by asking about what the seller paid, what the seller owes etc. Politely answering the questions to the best of my ability based on publicly available information, I would always stress that it absolutely made no difference until....

The market slid into the toilet and my clients were determined to find a property that wasn't a short sale because they had heard the horror stories of waiting month after month only to never be able to close.

Even so, I educated them that a) not all short sales were horror stories and b) publicly available information is not the whole story so c) lets find the right house, make an offer and work on negotiating the terms without regard to the sellers financial situation. We will either get an accepted offer or we wont.

That said, I find buyers getting very invested during the offer negotiation process which is why they sometimes want to know all they can before proceeding. Managing their emotional roller coaster is enormously important.

Oct 06, 2013 12:56 AM
Richard Iarossi
Coldwell Banker Residential Brokerage - Crofton, MD
Crofton MD Real Estate, Annapolis MD Real Estate

Gab,

That agent has some explaining to do to their buyers about how real estate works. I'm surprised that they would use that as an excuse for a low offer.

Rich

Oct 06, 2013 01:31 AM
Ron and Alexandra Seigel
Napa Consultants - Carpinteria, CA
Luxury Real Estate Branding, Marketing & Strategy

Gabrielle,

That is some coo coo thinking on the part of the agent...Why is that person in the business of real estate.  A loaf of bread cost a lot less a few years ago than it does now.  Will the grocery store sell you that loaf at 2000 prices?  LOL A

Oct 06, 2013 02:53 AM
Brian Park
Park Realty Investments - Murray, UT

Thanks for the laugh. I would have liked to ask have you ever thought about becoming an appraiser?

Oct 06, 2013 03:50 AM
Karen Feltman
Cedar Rapids/Iowa City, IA KW Legacy Group - Cedar Rapids, IA
Relocation Specialist in Cedar Rapids, Iowa

The only time that what the seller paid comes into play is if the seller bought the house as a foreclosure, puts in what appear to be cosmetics only and turns around to try to sell it at more than $50,000.  That is where most buyers have an issue and where the appraisal could be a concern as well.  I would never use what a seller paid 20 years ago to justify my buyer's price.  You are right.  The most important is the current condition of the property compared to others on the market and what a buyer is currently offering for a property with those features.  Great post.

Oct 06, 2013 06:08 AM
Sharon Parisi
United Real Estate Dallas - Dallas, TX
Dallas Homes

Gabrielle, this is a good topic.  Many buyers actually believe that the seller's purchase price should factor into the offer.  They are generally the buyers who make unaccepted offer, after unaccepted offer, in this fast paced market.

Oct 06, 2013 07:30 AM
David Shamansky
US Mortgages - David Shamansky - Highlands Ranch, CO
Creative, Aggressive & 560 FICO - OK, Colorado Mtg

how this comes into play i'll never know but agree it comes up all the time

Oct 06, 2013 09:28 AM
Jimmy Faulkner
Florida. Homes Realty & Mortgage - Wantagh, NY
The Best Of St. Augustine

Gabrielle: I too wish I had a home in Hawaii. The country is moving to socialism so making a profit is totally out ot the question unles it is the buyer who is complaining.

Oct 06, 2013 09:36 AM
Tom Matesic

Great job on this post, I really enjoyed it.  Thanks for sharing.

Oct 06, 2013 11:23 AM
Bill Reddington
Re/max By The Sea - Destin, FL
Destin Florida Real Estate

I agree, it just doesn't matter what the seller paid for the property whether it be 2 months or 20 years ago. What is it worth today is the question?

Oct 06, 2013 12:56 PM
Edward Gilmartin
CRE - Boston, MA

And if the seller bought too high and paid way too much will a buyer feel bad and offer enough so the seller breaks even?

Oct 06, 2013 10:11 PM
Brian Sharkey
SharkeyRE LLC - Singer Island, FL
SharkeyRE
Oct 06, 2013 11:29 PM
Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
Real Estate Broker Retired

Gosh, I thought that ridiculous view was gone years ago. During the height of the market buyers were doing this based on what the seller paid for the house.  It's worth what it's worth today.

Oct 07, 2013 12:31 AM
Morris Massre
Pembroke Pines, FL
Real Estate Instructor Broward County Florida

The bottom line is people in general hate it when someone makes money on them or because of them, but love it when the reverse takes place.

Oct 07, 2013 02:32 AM
Graziella Bruner
NCS Premier Real Estate - Detroit, MI
Associate Broker - Serving Wayne & Oakland County

I agree with the comments - How crazy is that!  Thanks for sharing the story - I too, wish I had a home in Hawaii.  :)

Oct 07, 2013 03:50 AM
Catherine Ulrey
Keller Williams Capital City - Salem, OR
Equestrian and Acreage Property Specialist

Could not agree.  I hear this a lot, buyer's ask/or look up what the seller paid for it. Why does that matter?  If you wanted to buy this house at the value in 1995, that's when you should have made the offer.

Oct 07, 2013 04:55 AM
Gary Frimann, CRS, GRI, SRES
Eagle Ridge Realty / Signature Homes & Estates - Gilroy, CA
REALTOR and Broker
What if they inherited the house? Then they paid zero. I know some people think this way, when they should think fair market value.
Oct 07, 2013 03:20 PM
Cindy Hanson Welu
Keller Williams Realty Elite - Eden Prairie, MN
Welu Home Team "The Team Your Neighbors Trust"

Great post...buyers have come to think they can get a home for whatever they feel is fair or what they want to pay, not what the market value is.  I've seen all kinds of stories from buyers agents justifying why it's only worth this and the seller should take it.  I'm sure they don't want to keep showing the buyer more homes and making ridiculous offers so they hope one of the sellers will bite. 

Oct 08, 2013 03:20 AM
Susan Jackson
America's Network Realty Group, Inc - Sandy Springs, GA

You are absolutely right.  Sure would like to hear the buyer's response a few years down the road, when they decide to sell, and they receive an offer based on what they paid for it.  Especially if they bought the house during this market slump, and are now ready to make a tidy profit on their home.  I think it would be an entirely different tune they would be singing.

Oct 08, 2013 06:29 AM
Trisha Bush-LeFore
Preferred Properties Land & Homes - Walla Walla, WA
Providing Realtor Services in the Walla Walla Area

Dear Gabrielle,

Thank you for blogging on this topic.  I enjoyed reading it and got some helpful information from it.

Have a great FALL season.

My best,

Trisha Bush 

Oct 08, 2013 07:50 AM