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stratego!

I just got off the phone with Loss Mitigation at Ocwen.  Correction, make that what used to be Loss Mitigation.  As of noon-ish today, Ocwen has left the Short Sale playing field.

According to my contact, (a Loss Mitigator) they announced to the department today via email, that they were done. 

Ocwen decided to stop negotiating all short sales. Period.

"None at all?", sheepishly I asked.

"Not a single one. Unless it was already approved", says he.

Curiously, yesterday the deal to sell Ocwen collapsed.

Here I am working on negotiating a short sale. I'm pretty sure the borrower did a Stated Income Loan and lied through his teeth about his income.   I'm also pretty sure he used someone else for the Social Security Number. (No, I didn't do his loan!). And I'm pretty sure he has a sub sub prime loan (two subs intended).   

There's no loan modification in the books for this borrower.

I asked my LM guy, "So this is going to go to foreclosure, become an REO, and Ocwen will take a bigger loss down the road?"

"Yup, That sure appears to be what they are planning!"

Ocwen, who's shares tanked yesterday, is primarily a loan servicer.

As of December 31, 2006, OCN serviced 473,665 loans under 487 servicing agreements for over 40 clients. These clients include Wall Street firms with mortgage securitization platforms, such as Deutsche Bank, Lehman Brothers, Credit Suisse and Morgan Stanley, mortgage originators, such as Delta Funding, and governmental agencies, such as the United States Department of Veterans Affairs. Revenue from this segment comprised 80%, of its consolidated revenue, during the year ended December 31, 2006. (Reuters)

After I got off the phone I started thinking. This is all speculation on my part...

If Ocwen was the holder of the Note, they would have a vested financial interest in minimizing the overall losses. Accepting a short sale would minimize those potential losses. But Ocwen isn't the holder of the Note. Some Investor is.

In a Short Sale there is going to be a loss. Ocwen will negotiate for what they can, and then pass the remaining balance to the Investor. That loss will be absorbed by the investor. The key is not in the loss, but in the fee generation.  In a short sale, Ocwen can charge only a small amount of fees.

On a foreclosure, Ocwen can and will charge up the fees. The Admin Fee, Processing Fee, reloading the Stapler Fee, talking to Mueller Fee. Pretty much any fee they can come up with. These are fees they just couldn't generate with a short sale.

After the Auction, when it goes on the market as an REO... Assuming it sells for the same amount it might have had it been a short sale, Ocwen stands to make much more in fees than had they negotiated a short sale. 

Following me so far?

Oh yeah, and who pays for all the loss mitigator salary anyway? Ocwen!

So what do you do when the negotiations for your purchase fall through?

I can just see the BOD saying last night, "If we can't sell this pig of a company, we'll fire the Loss Mitigation Department, stop doing negotiations and rack up the fees! "

Of course, the REO probably won't sell for the amount they could have negotiated the short sale for. But who cares? Not Ocwen, They'll get their trumped up fees no matter what it sells for. It's the investor that's taking the hit - not them.

Ocwen is still in business. Are they not worried that by shooting their investors in the foot that they won't be able to attract new investors to service for?

Or since the buyout fell through, is the corporate plan to make as much as they can before closing shop?

2006 Net Income: 206 Million
2007 Net Income: 38 Million
4th Quarter Net LOSS: almost 7 Million!

Just thinking...


 


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13 Comments on Is Ocwen Playing Stratego?

MAR
13
2008
416,228 Points 17 Featured Posts Outside Blog
Oh man. Stratego! I haven't played that is SOO long! Thanks for reminding me. I should get that out of the closet! Umm, I guess I should go back and actually read your post now. What can I say? I'm easily distracted =)
11:47pm • #1
MAR
14
2008

Hi Mike,

Thank you for the update on Ocwen.  I am a self proclaimed short sale lister out in Tracy, CA & this is pretty scary stuff.  I am hopeful that you just got a bad seed on the phone that hates his job & that this is a big joke & that department for short sale negotiation is not gone.  Whew...way scary if true.

12:19am • #2
213,533 Points 51 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Lisa - You are to funny.

Christina - You are welcome. Sorry to say though, my source is pretty high up in the chain of command and not one of those dweebs we get so much mis-information from.   It's also been confirmed by a couple of others since I wrote this.  Same story on all accounts.

What are you doing up past midnight?  We start at 5 AM around here!  LOL 

 

 

7:17am • #3
213,533 Points 51 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Lisa - You are to funny.

Christina - You are welcome. Sorry to say though, my source is pretty high up in the chain of command and not one of those dweebs we get so much mis-information from.   It's also been confirmed by a couple of others since I wrote this.  Same story on all accounts.

What are you doing up past midnight?  We start at 5 AM around here!  LOL 

 

 

7:17am • #4
167,280 Points 12 Featured Posts Outside Blog
Mike, This is an awesome post! Most likely make as much money now and forget the future would be my guess. I could tell you stories that would make your head spin from option one before HR finally locked the doors on them
7:23am • #5
127,771 Points 2 Featured Posts Outside Blog
Mike, Ocwen Short Sales Dept. gone, closed up??  Hmmm, thanks for the information.
4:33pm • #6
MAR
17
2008
121,089 Points 22 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Amazing. Reminds me of some divorce attorneys who "run up their hours" creating things for the divorcing couples to fight about. (I have seen it when helping splitting couples to sell their homes.) AWFUL. Thanks for keeping us posted, Mike!

 



 

10:45pm • #7
MAR
19
2008
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Ah Stratego.....it's been at least 20 years.  I just found out today about Ocwen no longer doing short-sales and am going to write a blog on my experience in dealing with them.  It's been a horrible time.  Horrible!
6:45pm • #8
APR
24
2008

Mike,

I like your posts.

OBDW, I wrote to Sentators Feinstein and Boxer. Feinstein sent a canned letter about how she is hard at work spending our money. Boxer didn't even acknowledge the letter. The local member of the house also didn't acknowledge the letter. So, I'll pay a visit when they are in town.

So, we work with the other lenders.

1:40pm • #9
DEC
24

Horrible news, Mike! I just took on a listing where Ocwen holds the junior lien.  The information was very useful.

5:47am • #10
173,055 Points Outside Blog

I see a lot of Ocwen REO's in our MLS.  Probably more than any other bank.

3:55pm • #11
DEC
25

Gene--

I am not surprised about Ocwen's popularity in the Hampton Roads area.  When I first entered the business in 2005, Ocwen held a good number of VA foreclosures and was responsible for getting them sold.  Hampton Roads is pretty close to the base in Norfolk so this may have something to do with it.

4:16am • #12
Localism Sponsor

My dealings have been bad with Ocwen too.  The problem that I have seen is that Ocwen is transfering the servicing function to India and in India they do not understand what they are doing.  Usually loss mit is a revenue generating department because investors pay for different types of work outs.  However, Ocwen has forgotten how to do this.  I have been working with Ocwen on a modification and have had little luck.  They were modifying the loan but the numbers did not reflect the verbiage in the modification. Spoke to employees, supervisor and managers and all I heard was the same thing over and over.

All the people we talked to were from India and would not get us in touch with any one else.  The case I am working on with Ocwen, they could loose over $70,000 on a second mortgage because there is no equity, but they do not seem to understand or they do not care.

I knew someone there and they left after being there less than 6 months because they felt that the entire operation was moving to India.  So I am sure this will be one off the next institutions being taken over by some other institution.

 

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