Special offer

Short Sales Are Getting Weirder ...

By
Real Estate Agent with Associate Broker at Berkshire Hathaway Home Services Georgia Properties 256152

I am a certified distressed property agent, mostly working in short sales as opposed to foreclosures. Been doing it since it wasn't cool. We went to school, learned all about how the process was handled, how the people think on both sides, proper paper flow, the psychological effects involved, and a lot more. About half of it applies today, roughly six years later.

We used to be required to get the HUD to agree with the lenders verbal offer before they would ever produce an approval letter. Last week I received an approval letter, and was under the impression we still had to tune our numbers up. At first I thought my attorney had already made some concessions and adjustments in the HUD to prompt the approval.

Then I found out no one knew anything about the letter but me. The HUD was the same. The changes were as yet not made. So it became apparent that they issued the letter, and it was up to us to figure out how to make the HUD fit after the fact.

All the systems and government regulations that were put in place to speed things up have done nothing but confuse what used to be a simple, if not laborious, process. They don't speed things up, they slow things down. The process changes daily.

If I went back to school now, they would probably tell me to throw away half my notes from the first time, and spend tonight memorizing government created acronyms for programs that were nonexistant six years ago. Thank you Washington.

Harry F. D'Elia III
WEDO Real Estate and Beyond, LLC - Phoenix, AZ
Investor , Mentor, GRI, Radio, CIPS, REOs, ABR

One of the best qualities about our current Government--always changing even when procedures are in place. The rules are there are no rules--now go have fun out there.

Oct 13, 2013 01:09 AM
Richard Iarossi
Coldwell Banker Residential Brokerage - Crofton, MD
Crofton MD Real Estate, Annapolis MD Real Estate

After they've been at it this long, you would think that the banks and the government would have their acts together on short sales. Hopeful thinking on my part.

Oct 13, 2013 01:29 AM
Dwight Puntigan
DRP Realty, LLC - Saint Peters, MO
Dwight Puntigan

I think this is just the start of what is to come.

Oct 13, 2013 01:45 AM
Ron Barnes
Associate Broker at Berkshire Hathaway Home Services Georgia Properties - Jasper, GA
"Most agents claim they're #1 - I THINK YOU'RE #1!

Lots of good points here! I truly believe that lenders really don't want to do short sales. They see the market shifting, and they think if they stall long enough they can foreclose and make a bundle. In our market they are still likely to get burned. I had to have a BPO done on this one, and it came back $78,000 lower than their "rock bottom number". They eventually decided to "accept" $60,000 less than rock bottom.

Oct 13, 2013 01:47 AM
Maria Morton
Platinum Realty - Kansas City, MO
Kansas City Real Estate 816-560-3758

Ron, every time the government implements a change designed to speed up the process, you can bet that the changes will slow it down. And for no good reason. 

Oct 13, 2013 02:13 AM
Ginger Harper
Coldwell Banker Sea Coast Advantage~ Ginger Harper Real Estate Team - Southport, NC
Your Southport~Oak Island Agent~Brunswick County!

I have been doing them for years now and you are right...It is getting even more wierd to close them..

Thanks for sharing..

 

Oct 13, 2013 02:16 AM
Ed Silva, 203-206-0754
Mapleridge Realty, CT 203-206-0754 - Waterbury, CT
Central CT Real Estate Broker Serving all equally

Ron as someone stated above, there are inconsistencies but believe  it is more a matter of the file manager than it is the bank's policy

Oct 13, 2013 02:25 AM
Pamela Seley
West Coast Realty Division - Murrieta, CA
Residential Real Estate Agent serving SW RivCo CA

Joe's comment #13 is interesting that they are selling the first mortgages now to messup the transaction right at the end. They've done that with seconds. It's unfortunate that there are people in the industry who make money off agents selling us the idea that we can make a business listing/negotiating short sales, when the banks really don't want to short sale b/c they make more money foreclosing and could care less if their customers lose their homes. The mortgage meltdown has been an eye-opener for me. Thanks for your post, and I hope you are able to fit the sale in the HUD (I had to do that once, and it wasn't pretty since the buyer had to come in with $17,000 more!).

Oct 13, 2013 03:28 AM
Jennifer Green
Keller Williams Realty Phoenix - Gilbert, AZ

I am GLAD they are going away here.  At one time they made up the majority of our market but now it is down to about 5%.  Good luck to the markets still working through them.

 

Oct 13, 2013 03:32 AM
Joe Pryor
The Virtual Real Estate Team - Oklahoma City, OK
REALTORĀ® - Oklahoma Investment Properties

To Pamela Seley, I didn't get into short sales as a concept but with empathy towards those who had hardships that i certainly have had in my lifetime. However, I never deluded myself into thinking that banks were doing anything out of the kindness of their hearts and empathy towards the mortgagee. It was always a business decision about what was the least loss they could take. It should be also noted that other than some judicial states much has been worked through from 2008. I do not regret the extra work we did to resuce families even in the face of banks in 2013 turning away from them, that is just what banks have always done.

Oct 13, 2013 03:52 AM
Dan & Laurie Pittsenbarger Team
Keller Williams Western Realty - Bellingham, WA
Lakeside & Coastal Single Family Homes

Hi Ron,

Congrats on the feature. Well done on getting some education on the topic. My opinion, rather than actual education in the field  is that short sales and how they are handled by all the various parties and entities involved with them, don't necessariy "make sense" and often don't have anything to do with following the course of action that produces the greatest good. Have a terrific week.

Oct 13, 2013 03:57 AM
Helen and Larry Prier- Re-Max Gateway - Residential Real Estate
RE-MAX Gateway- Residential Real Estate Sales - Anacortes, WA
Anacortes & surrounding Skagit & Island Counties

Ron, Congrats on the feature. Obviously a real thorn in the side of agents and Buyers. happily we do not have a lot of Short sales in our area so don't have to deal with the Gov't/Bank weidos

Oct 13, 2013 04:05 AM
Sheree Holsey
Sold Buy the Sea Realty - Hampstead, NC
I am Happy to Help You Find your Way Home!

Well, I assume that since there is "undesirable" behaviour going on in Washington... nots of systems are not going to be working properly. I guess I will wait before I invest in this training, until there is a more unified approach.

Oct 13, 2013 07:37 AM
Jeff Stevens
Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices New Mexico Properties - Las Cruces, NM
Jeff Stevens, Associate Broker/REALTOR

What's fun? Explaining the short sale process to a first time home buyer that wants to move into their home  right now. They ask - how long will it take to close if we put in an offer on a short sale property? My answer - it truly is anybody's guess. I hate giving that answer but isn't it the truth? 

Oct 13, 2013 07:41 AM
Joan Whitebook
BHG The Masiello Group - Nashua, NH
Consumer Focused Real Estate Services

I think agents will be very happy when we see short sales disappear.  It seems there are still a lot of issues with short sales and they continue to be frustrating from what I am hearing and reading.

Oct 13, 2013 08:18 AM
Scott Godzyk
Godzyk Real Estate Services - Manchester, NH
One of the Manchester NH's area Leading Agents

I still see a pattern of each bank havig their own set of rules for non fannie, freddie or HUD short sales. With current political world, it will continue to change and change often.

Oct 13, 2013 08:36 AM
Cindy Jones
Integrity Real Estate Group - Woodbridge, VA
Pentagon, Fort Belvoir & Quantico Real Estate News

Lenders do what they are going to do.  I send in a preliminary HUD-1 with the offer and then the lender may ask for adjustments OR they may just send their approval letter and we have to work backwards if it is different than what we submitted.  Usually not a big deal UNLESS it is radically different.

Oct 13, 2013 09:04 AM
Elizabeth Weintraub Sacramento Broker
Elizabeth Anne Weintraub, Broker - Sacramento, CA
Put 40 years of experience to work for you

I've run into that more often than not. Some of those short sale approval letters just give a net and no breakdown whatsoever, and you wonder if they even looked at the HUD. Every short sale is weird. There really are no unweird short sales. The more you close, the more you realize it has nothing to do with a class.

Oct 13, 2013 09:48 AM
Kathy Sheehan
Bay Equity, LLC 770-634-4021 - Atlanta, GA
Senior Loan Officer

Ron, I just closed a short sale, that actually took 18 months to get to the closing table.  There was nothing short about it!

Oct 13, 2013 10:21 PM
Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
Real Estate Broker Retired

Just when you get it down, the rules change that's for sure.

Oct 14, 2013 09:55 AM