Here's the problem...HB2791 has passed. It is no doubt that the number of homes lost at foreclosure auctions will increase. There's only one person left who can stop this madness. So here's a note to the Governor and where you can send it http://www.governor.wa.gov/contact/default.asp

Dear Governor Gregoire,

There is a travesty in progress and you are the only person that can stop it. Somehow a bill has gotten enough approval to reach your desk. HB 2791 will, and may I repeat WILL cause MORE home foreclosures in the state of Washington. There were 122 signatures presented to the Senate and many other equally appalled real estate professionals in large investor groups who agree that this bill is a tragedy for distressed homeowners. Their voices were never heard or worse, ignored for political purposes.

Please consider these points in opposition to the bill:

1.         HB 2791 eliminates the possibility of getting the bank to take a discount for the over mortgaged homes. In the case of a short sale, which most pre-foreclosure transactions are these days, it is illegal to give ANY funds to the foreclosed homeowner. This bill requires that 82% of the ‘fair market value’ go to the homeowner. That makes it a crime to comply with this bill if the transaction was a short sale. The Mortgage Forgiveness Act of 2007 was passed to give homeowners a break http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/12/20071220-3.html  HB 2791 takes that break away.

2.         There will be no way to come to an enforceable agreement on the “fair market value” of a distressed home because the urgency of the sale and the source of the appraisal order can alter the ‘value’ dramatically.

3.         It is impossible to have a fiduciary duty to the homeowner if you are a real estate agent, attempting to buy or representing a buyer, approaching a distressed home owner. You would automatically be in conflict of interest with yourself. Also, if you’re not an agent and just an individual or an investor, how can you attempt to purchase a home from someone and at the same time, represent their best interest? One more ‘also’, the bill is so vague about what constitutes a “distressed home”, that almost any real estate transaction could be argued that the Seller was a “distressed homeowner.”

4.         It would be very unlikely an investor would be willing to risk their money for a 5% - 8% return over two or three years. Here is sample math if the homeowner defaults or decides to ‘cash out’ under the proposed bill:

$200,000         ‘Value’

$164,000         82% paid to Foreclosed Homeowner

$200,000         Listing price if Foreclosed Homeowner leaves

$12,000           Real estate commission (6%)

$6,000             Excise tax and closing costs (estimated at 3%)

$5,000             Minimal repair cost (carpet, paint, cleanup, etc.)

$13,000           ROI if no significant repairs are needed (8%)

In short, this bill has gotten this far without the input or involvement of real estate professionals who can provide real world input. There is no doubt that something should be passed to protect homeowners from those few unscrupulous investors who wrongfully abuse the situation of distressed homeowners. But this bill will cause most honest investors to change their foreclosure business to buying at auction, rather than pre-foreclosures in order avoid the potential frivolous litigation that has been increasingly plaguing this industry. Investors who buy pre-foreclosures provide a vital resource for distressed homeowners who have no viable alternatives to resolve their situation other than a quick sale prior to the foreclosure auction. That resource will be greatly depleted by this bill, thus more homes will go to auction.

 
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8 Comments on Short sales and Foreclosure help may change

MAR
14
2008
This is a very interesting post - and I don't think that they have worked out the numbers very well.  Good luck
5:07am • #1
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Jack,

First, apologies if this is a bit off topic, but I'd like to take this opportunity to ask a couple of questions.

1) If the property goes to foreclosure, is the owner automatically forgiven the shortfall?

2)  If the property is sold as a short sale, how is the seller advised, and when, if the lender is expecting an unsecured note to follow the seller for the remaining balance?

When a seller signs "subject to lender approval", shouldn't they also be saying "subject to lender not requiring that the seller sign an unsecured note at closing" if the debt would be forgiven if it went through the foreclosure proces.

3) Does escrow and the underlying lender require that all parties sign that all monies shown on the HUD 1 are valid and NO monies are passing to the seller that are not disclosed on the HUD 1, before the property can close?

 

10:43am • #2
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One more:

Does the lender ever permit some monies to go to the seller so that they can remove their belongings and leave?  Isn't it hard to move out if you have no money?

10:45am • #3

1) The owner is automatically forgiven on the first mortgage, but the 2nd can still come after them for the unpaid debt.

2) The short sale letter will either say "lien release only" or "settlement". The later releases the homeowner of the debt. 

3) Different lenders require different forms signed and by whom. Most cases it requires only the seller sign the release letter, and then the typical HUD signatures.

4) I've never seen a short sale that allowed any funds at all to go to the seller. Some release letters have a space for an amount to be input. But I've always seen that filled with $0. And on the contrary, the lenders are adamant about not giving them any funds. Yes it is hard to move out with no money, but there's bigger problems with the situation if the person hasn't been paying their mortgage for months and still doesn't have enough to pay a moving truck. The bank usually isn't sympathetic to the people who just cost them a lot of money. 

12:02pm • #4
APR
02
2008

Jack,

You probably know the Governor signed the bill into law on Monday, March 31st.

What a sad day for the thousands of  people who'll find themselves in foreclosure later this year and have no investors in the market to bail them out.

Thanks for your efforts to stop this thing. 

Joe Kaiser

www.pushedtoshove.com     

Joe Kaiser
1:12am • #5
MAY
02
2008

This bill is indeed a disaster. I have rescued properties in foreclosure, most within the week or days before the sale. My program purchases the property, obtains an interest only ARM for the lowest possible rate and rental payments (often less than they are now paying) and takes out sufficient cash to pay off all the owner's underlying debt and prepays their first year's rent. How much to I get at closing? $0.00! It all goes to the owner. Yes there is an option (2 years) to repurchase for no more than 80% of today's fair market value at any time during the option. As an exit strategy, I allow the now tenant to sell their option but putting the property up for sale and giving them 100% of the proceeds above the option price......a win win situation all way round. In this program I don't earn a dime until the tenant repurchases the home or sells their option as part of a property sale. But apparently that's not good enough.

Something stinks here and I think it is collusion between our legislators and the banks. Think about it. Who now has an open field to go after the foreclosed owner's equity? Only the banks in what amounts to a monopoly. It would be interesting to take a look at the banking industry's lobbying, if there is any, regarding this bill. I spoke at length with the Assistant AG here in Tacoma and asked about the "82% rule". He told me it was taken straight out of similar legislation passed in Michigan.....with no quiestions asked or rationale given. "Monkey see, monkey do."

A previous email got it absolutely right. I cannot offer this program any more and will hunt down bargains at the county courthouse and then evict the tenants.........a much kinder and gentler approach, don't you think?

 

John Arbeeny 

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9:50pm • #6
JUN
04
2008
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I sent my own letter to Gregoire today.  I have been holding my breath hoping a way to continue helping sellers who are short would emerge but today I gave up that hope.

I can still try to find a buyer for a property where the sale will be short but without subjecting myself to significant legal risk I cannot contact the lender.

How many homeowners will be able to get the required third party approval on their own?

Why would I take a listing that has a very low chance of closing?  Is this even ethical?

I suspect on June 12th a number of short sellers will get "Dear John" letters from their agents informing them that thanks to the legislature (and governor) they are now FSBO.

2:49am • #7
JUN
07
2008

I agree with Howard, it is going to cause some trouble for sure. I am taking every class I can find between now and then to make sure I have all the perspectives on this. At the moment, I am focused on the mechanics of how I CAN help people. Next will come the dissection of the minutiae.

11:33pm • #8

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