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Living on the Water: Should the Public Share in the Risks?

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Real Estate Agent with RLAH@properties AB95346

Last week, an old friend was in town.  He lives on the water in Florida and is contemplating buying a cabin in Georgia that is faces a beautiful, scenic river.  

These days, living on the water is seductive and, as we've learned from a few recent super storms, possibly dangerous.  And when he showed me the Georgia broker's video tour of the property, I could understand why he might be willing to take a risk.  

You could see the river from every room, and you could hear the water flowing by.  There were lots of fish you could catch off the pier and eat for dinner.  It was absolutely beautiful, and I got it.  Who wouldn't want to live like this?  

But wait.  I am the daughter of a hydrologist who spend a long career with the US Geological Survey.  He was concerned with floods, both controlling them and minimizing the consequences when one rolled down the river.  And I remember many supper table conversations about what he considered the idiocy of building homes on flood plains.  

My friend and I talked about this, and he had done some due diligence.  Yes, the cabin was on a flood plain, and yes it had flooded once in the 1990's.  And if he bought it with a mortgage, he would be required to purchase flood insurance.  And I'm sure that he will work the uncertainty of future insurance costs into the price he offers for the place.

So he is aware of the risks, and in the end he may or may not be willing to take them.  But it is a choice he'll have to make.  And part of the decision will be the cost of insurance or, if he pays cash, the cost of rebuilding should this adorable place ever float down the river.

Until now, the Federal flood insurance program has been heavily subsidized by the federal government (that would be us taxpayers), and right now that program is up in the air as Congress debates whether or not they should continue this subsidy to people who build or buy homes by the water - often second homes where they spend vacations.  And I have mixed feelings.

I came very close to falling for a gorgeous place right on the flood plane of the Occaquan River.  It was a newly built Victorian style townhouse with high end finishes, a pier with a boat slip included, and a wow factor that wouldn't quit.  And as I was being seduced by the water fowl, calming surroundings and sound of the passing water, I had to wonder how that might feel if the water got wild and was lapping at the front door!

My dream house on the OccaquanAnd I could hear my father's voice lecturing us at the dinner table about houses on flood plains.

But, Dad!  It's a 100 year flood plain, and it already flooded back in the 70's.  By 2070 when the next one is due, I'll be with you up in heaven or wherever they send curmudgeonly Kennedys to spend eternity.

Of course, homes on flood plains are not the only ones at the mercy of Mother Nature.  I grew up in Tornado Alley, and while my father did a few flood plain rants, he never questioned living in a place wiere the tornado warning sirens blared out a few times a month.  (After I'd gone off to college, they did find themselves in the path a big old tornado, but it lifted up for a block when it got to our house - minor damage in the middle of rubble).  Being (forget about living) in Los Angeles or San Francisco brings out my irrational fear of earthquakes. 

But to my knowledge, getting insurance against such natural disasters does not involve federal government subsidies, even when the market place diictates high policy rates.

So what do you think?

Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

Pat, I am of the opinion that we should not be building and paying for other's people's choice to build in 100 year flood plain zones.  Of course as global warming happens those boundaries will shift--it is not an easy problem to solve as population increases and people want what they want regardless.

Nov 10, 2013 08:44 AM
Helen and Larry Prier- Re-Max Gateway - Residential Real Estate
RE-MAX Gateway- Residential Real Estate Sales - Anacortes, WA
Anacortes & surrounding Skagit & Island Counties

Pat, I agree with Charles #1. If people want to live next to water then they should bear the brunt of the insurance cost and not rely on the Feds and taxpayers to underwrite their losses. Since when did the government get into guaranteeing property if it was flooded. Some flood plains are just plain ridiculous and should be abandoned. Others should never be built on in the first place.

Nov 10, 2013 09:02 AM
Cindy Jones
Integrity Real Estate Group - Woodbridge, VA
Pentagon, Fort Belvoir & Quantico Real Estate News

Not all of the floods that happen around those lovely Victorian TH's are from the River.  During the last hurricane the town suffered flooding but it was an overflow from the creek coming into town that caused the problem.

Nov 10, 2013 09:11 AM
William Johnson
Retired - La Jolla, CA
Retired
Hi Pat, I think you should go for it and not worry too much about the added insurance costs. Federal subsities are not slowing, on the contrary they seem to be increasing as the progressive shift expands and more and more people rely on government. If you can't stop them, join them and just enjoy! Life is too short to over worry. As they say, worry is just interest on trouble way before it comes due. PS, keep a floatation device handy just in case, :-)
Nov 10, 2013 09:21 AM
Hella Mitschke Rothwell
(831) 626-4000 - Honolulu, HI
Hawaii & California Real Estate Broker

Patricia: Interesting topic. Especially since I was at the ocean in the Puako community, a high end, oceanfront street of expensive homes on the Kohala Coast on the Big Island of Hawaii. What do they do when the water comes up (tsunamis mostly)? They open up the doors and let the water go through the house and out the other side. Some, of course, have built 2-story homes where the garages are on the ground level, so no problem. Ditto the little church there; the pastor said, oh yes, we've had floods, once even 4 feet high, but it goes back down. Don't you love that attitude?

Nov 10, 2013 09:26 AM
Patricia Kennedy
RLAH@properties - Washington, DC
Home in the Capital

Charles, the various flood plain maps are every changing, usually increasing the risk and expanding the area.

Helen and Larry, my dad is cheering!

Cindy, end of the day, I didn't really care where the water came from, and even though the living areas were elevated, it was only a couple feet about the old flood level.

William, I dunno.  Even the so-called "progressives" are getting a lot more careful about spending public money.   At this point, I would count on flood insurance costs for homeowners to increase exponentially.

And Hella, a lot of homes are being built with the living spaces up a floor, which sounds like a pretty good idea.  I guess when you live in a storm prone area, you try to be clever about it.

Nov 10, 2013 09:49 AM
Thom Abbott
MyMidtownMojo.com |770.713.1505 | Intown Atlanta GA Condo Living - Atlanta, GA
Midtown Atlanta GA Condos For Sale

I'm inclined to think that if you want to build a home in a high risk area, you should bear the risk. What about people that live in areas that never flood, and then a freak of nature, and they flood. The insurance companies are none to quick to deny the claim because the insured does NOT have flood insurance...mind you it was never required because it had never flooded. 

Now, if you take a state like Florida, where a hurricane can cross the entire state, perhaps we need some execptions. 

But for people that build on the ocean, and get blown away, and build again.....should the taxpayer be paying for that?

THEN, that all said...take a trip to Biloxi. MS after Katrina. Hardy a home has been rebuilt along the coast, because they cost of insurance is so astronomical they can't afford it. 

So there sits all this empty land...looks like a ghost town...except for the casinos. They can afford the insurance. 

Nov 10, 2013 12:38 PM
Jane Chaulklin-Schott
TEAMCONNECT REALTY - (407) 394-9766 - Orlando, FL
TeamConnect Luxury Homes - Orlando, Florida, 32836

I lean toward the advice of your father - caution in high risk locations such as building on flood plains, but also, on man made mud hills (California mud slides), or fire zones. Mother nature being what it is in todays world, disaster is all around - just look at the Philippines disaster today. For me as a homeowner or property investor, I neither want to put my trust in Mother Nature nor the Federal Government. I am also of the feeling that taxpayers should not be responsible for unwise choices of others.

Nov 10, 2013 03:45 PM
Ginny Gorman
RI Real Estate Services ~ 401-529-7849~ RI Waterfront Real Estate - North Kingstown, RI
Homes for Sale in Southern RI and beyond

Pat, I have written extensively on flood plains in my area and we are so challenged with the amount of coastline we have.  It will be the choice of the buyer/homeowner in the future to build or not build in a flood plain- but they will pay for it.  Even if you pay cash the value of your home is impacted.  The government should be out of this insurance business....are they really moving out of it?  We can not afford to constantly allow people to rebuild in high risk flood zones except with their own self insurance...the tides and water have changed.

Nov 10, 2013 07:53 PM
Richard Iarossi
Coldwell Banker Residential Brokerage - Crofton, MD
Crofton MD Real Estate, Annapolis MD Real Estate

Pat,

I know it's not popular with Realtors, but put me in the column that says the cost causer pays. I don't believe in subsidies for people who build in dangerous areas.

Rich

Nov 10, 2013 08:21 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

I'm not sure why I should be responsible for someone else's insurance because of their choice to live dangerously any more than I should be responsible for someone else's insurance who chooses to drive dangerously.

Nov 11, 2013 03:57 PM
Laura Giannotta
Keller Williams Realty - Atlantic Shore - Little Egg Harbor, NJ
Your Realtor Down the Shore!

At the Jersey Shore, we have those concerns about flooding and even though it's not supposed to happen again for 100 years, it probably will happen again before then.

Nov 11, 2013 07:44 PM