Call me a hypocrite.

I'm suggesting that you focus, and I'm not focusing. I should be continuing my series on how to use Flickr to your benefit, and instead I'm writing a top ten list of things you should stop doing when blogging.

Why would I do that? To paraphrase J.P. Morgan: every man has two reasons for what he does, a good reason - and the real reason.

My good reason for losing focus is that Rich Jacobson commented on a previous post and asked me to state, from my "experience and perspective exactly what everyone is doing wrong and how to correct it." My real reason for losing focus: it's easier than maintaining focus, and I can be as mentally lazy as the next guy.

Here's a list (in no particular order) of ten things many ActiveRainers do wrong. In each case the way to correct the mistake is simply to stop making it.

1. Stop stealing copyrighted material and posting it here. Over and above the fact that AR warns you about this each time you post so that you're violating the terms of service, no one wants to do business with a thief. Not to mention the brute fact that there are civil and criminal (yup, criminal) penalties for pirating others' intellectual property.

2.  Stop slobbering over each other in comments. Advance the conversation or shut up. Too many of you sound like you're at a little league game encouraging the uncoordinated kid who simply forgot to swing at the pitch.

3. Stop spamming each other in comments. Vendors should post about their products and not try to steer people to them through comments. Realtors shouldn't use comments to try to hustle business or recruit other Realtors.

4. Stop posting your bloody listings. Would you walk into a room full of strangers who you want to become your customers or friend and start reading a listing sheet? If there's something truly unusual or noteworthy about your listing, it's OK to talk about that, but it better be something really special, and shut up about the rest of it.

5. Stop braying about your company to consumers. Like the children of Lake Wobegon, you're all handsome and above average and expert beyond our wildest imagination -  and readers don't want to hear it.

6. Stop disrespecting your readers by cluttering your posts and comments with your name, logo, contact info and tag line. If you have something worthwhile to say that motivates me to learn more about you, it's easy to find that info.

7. Stop whining about how misunderstood / under-appeciated Realtors are. It just makes us appreciate you all the less, and think we understand you all too well. Tell us something you know that we want to know more about.

8. Stop pretending to know more than you do. The last person in the world I want to hear babbling about interest rates is a real estate agent or a mortgage broker. If you really knew what you were talking about you wouldn't be here begging for my business. Tell me what you do know.

9. Stop writing those idiotic profiles of yours. Re-read item 8. Almost every one I've seen makes wildly inflated claims that subject the writer to ridicule from people like me - and there are a lot of people like me.

10. Stop ignoring location, location, location. Tell me what's going on in an area you genuinely know something about. If I'm a buyer or a seller I'm starved for tidbits, stories, information, trends, changes, developments, preferences, etc. The media do a lousy job of giving me that informatton, but you guys give me even less. Give me what I want and I'll reward you with my business because you'll have established yourself as an expert rather than simply claimingi you're one. Real experts don't have to tell you they're experts - they show you.

A blog is not an ad, and it's not your Web site. It should be a conversation in which you quietly impress people with what you know and with your passion for your business. What might work in an ad or on your Web site is probably hurting you when you put it in a blog.

 

153 Comments on Ten things you should stop doing immediately on your blog

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GREAT POST JOE!

Uh, sorry, I couldn't resist.

Sincerely, I see the merit of what you are saying.  You have me rereading a lot of what I put up.

10:48pm • #2
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Our apologies.  We thought this was ActiveRain: Real Estate Network.  Oh, it is.....
11:06pm • #3
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Mike,

Your profile is a good example for other agents to look at and follow.

You lay claim only to some narrow areas of expertise, and back those up with a relevant background in construction. You target some preferred groups - first-time buyers and seniors - rather than the usual "if you're a buyer or a seller or an investor ...

I love NC - spend part of every summer on the Outer Banks. We also have a client (Fonville Morisey) in your area.

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Good thing that you don't feel strongly about anything. :-)  I take it your strategy is to post controversial content and let the fur fly!
12:10am • #5
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No flying fur, Tony. I'm allergic to animal rights activists.

Hey, if I were just looking for controversy I'd wonder what the point is of your signature. That practice would be on my list if I were expanding it beyond 10.

12:24am • #6
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"I love NC - spend part of every summer on the Outer Banks."

That's what motivated me to take the transfer.   OBX. 

Anyway, Joe, I see two styles in blogs:

Slap up everything in a stream of consciousness style and see what sticks, or keep it brief.  I work hard on trying to convey a thought and keeping it brief, having aced Newswriting 200 many years ago.

I see too many blogs where people are stroking themselves to score points.

Fonville Morisey?  Do you also work with Long and Foster?

4:59am • #7
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From YoChicago.com

No shortage of unlicensed real estate agents

by Joe Zekas

In the course of participating in another real estate Web site I've encountered a number of "real estate agents" who either never held a license or whose license has expired or is otherwise invalid.

Illinois law requires every licensed real estate person to carry and display on demand a "pocket card" or "sponsor card." If you're considering doing business with any agent, you should insist on seeing a valid picture ID and a state license card before proceeding.

It goes without saying that you should never get in a car with an agent without having seen proof that they're properly licensed.

All of the unlicensed agents I've run across have highly visible Web presences. One has to wonder how the state can be so lax in enforcing its licensing laws, and why other real estate professionals apparently turn a blind eye to this situation. These agents are rarely involved in a deal that doesn't involve another firm.

Buyer and seller, beware.

I would love you to name names.  BTW - Here is a link to the AZ licensing database for my entry.

The Associate Broker and CRB in my signature represent the level of experience - you can't get either without some significant experience.

The CLHMS and CRS in my signature represent production levels in high end and residential markets.

The folks that criticize others for having documentation of their experience usually do so because they lack any of their own.

8:36am • #8
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Tony,

I didn't name names for a variety of reasons. Note also that I didn't name AR on my site since I thought it would reflect badly on AR and I think AR can be a valuable way to grow the use and utility of blogs.

I have flagged posts from the unlicensed agents and provided specific links to the Illinois site for the benefit of the AR moderators. I'm not a cop here so I thought I'd leave it to the people who are.

If you think naming names is iappropriate, how about your naming names of all of the people who lie on this site about their real estate credentials. One of every two Realtors I see tacking an ABR onto their name can't be found on REBAC.org. And so on for other credentials.

Somewhere along the line I acquired a credential too - a JD. I practiced law with a 300-attorney Chicago firm for 5 years. Attorneys who practice at a certain level understand how inappropriate it is to make reference to their credentials, and never do so in the way Realtors do. Their authority comes from what they have to say, and the way they say it, rather than from anything on their signature line.

I'd suggest you look at the major blogs that draw millions of users and have tons of professional participants. You'll almost never see anyone signing themselves with their credentials although they certainly have the MDs and PhDs and MBAs and JDs and so on. It's a distraction, and real lprofessionals understand that.

8:50am • #9
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Joe, When you say we are doing it wrong, is that based on the results you are assuming we are trying to attain? The reason I ask is everyone blogs for different reasons. My posts are designed to be educational for the agent and the consumer alike but not necessarily to get business. I have all the business I can handle already. I also write because it helps me to express myself better and forces me to really think about what it is I do and why I do it.

So even though I agree, your comments would apply in some cases, they definitely do not apply in ALL cases. The good thing about blogging is that there are no one size fits all rules on what is right and what is wrong. IMO. 

So maybe you have broke rule #8 yourself. But what the heck do I know.:)

8:52am • #10
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Bryant,

I'll spend some time with your blog later, so if my response doesn't apply, cut me that much slack.

The results you're looking for are readership and having an overall positive impact. Whatever you do that distracts from the core message of your posts undermines your results.

I think you've set yourself an almost impossible objective - speaking to agents and consumers alike in a way that's meaningful to both. The audiences are too far apart and too distrusting of each other.

Consider my post from this standpoint too: although you might not be looking for business with your posts, you also dont want to deter anyone from doing business with you or present yourself in a way that might turn off some of your existing or past clients. There's a very real potential for that in blogging.

Have I violated my own Rule 8? I don't think so, but that's not for me to answer. One of the great things about this type of a conversation is that there are always people out there reading who know more than I do on whatever I'm writing about.

To wrap up, I think that my post does apply across the board.

9:08am • #11
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Joe - I must admit that when I retired from corporate life and chose real estate I was surprised by the fact that the vast majority of agents had their photo on their business card.  Not saying it's right or wrong - was just a totally new experience for me!  I agree that in some professions the display of credentials may not be customary, nor appropriate.

On the advice of many long timers in the industry, we do display credentials such as CRS, CRB, CLHMS because they "mean" something to others in the industry who are looking to refer business to those with specific qualifications.  If you have checked out my profile you'll note that there are many more than those in my "signature" - but none of the others are of as widespread "significance".

That said, it's much easier to write about things others should "stop" doing than it is to write about things they "should" do. 

I would be interested to read your list of Top 10 things people should start doing immediately on their blog!

9:19am • #12
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OK Joe, I will cut you some slack. BUT impossible to write to both? I don't think so. Read through my blog if you have the time. I have the consumer commenting on my posts probably more than anyone else on AR and I'm not even trying for business. The consumer wants honesty and they also want a peak behind the curtain at what it is we really do. What I do does work and it works well.

However, a critique is always appreciated. I can't always be right. Or can I? :)

9:25am • #13
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P.S. - Regarding ABR and REBAC.net - I have seen folks earn their ABR, then fail to renew their annual dues to REBAC - yet continue to use the designation.  That is "wrong" and I have seen REBAC catch them and deal with them.
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I am going to park here and follow this conversation :)

TLW...ROAR!

9:36am • #16
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Tony,

I will take your advice and do a top ten "should" at some point.

In the meantime, take another look at my #10 "stop." Talk about what you know about your immediate area (and that doesn't mean your metro area, it means the small area that you know the best). Reflect on what you're seeing that's interesting to you, and talk about it on your blog.

Consumers are really hungry for the information that only real estate agents have, because no one else is seeing the market the way you are. That hyper-local information, as others have noted on AR, also bubbles to the top in search results so that the people who want to know connect quickly with the people who do know - the agents.

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I am new here and was surprised to see so many listings advertised and whole articles reprinted. Waist of bandwidth and it makes it hard to find the informative content I crave. Good post. This should be featured if it's not. Actually it should be part of the guidelines. For those who feel hurt, hey the problem with the truth is it hurts.

 

 

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Greg - "For those who feel hurt, hey the problem with the truth is it hurts."

That comment sort of skips over the fact that uninformed commentary and many other things "hurt".  That said - not sure that anyone here is "hurt" - just encouraging a solution oriented focus rather than scattershot criticism.

10:55am • #19
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Joe a big improvement! I still feel a little bit of an undermining tone in your post for my own taste (I may just be a little bit on the defense because of the tone of your previous post) but definitely an improvement in my opinion. : )  I do happen to agree with all your points and I welcome the splash of cold water in my face.

Many of us are newborn at best when it comes to understand how effectively harness the internet to its maximum potential in order to best market ourselves.  I do have to give them credit for trying...I agree with Rich, bring it on Joe, and let it rain!  My ears are perked and my pen is sharpened (for taking notes) share with us the "real reason" JP Morgan

I know I don't know much about anything and that when I am expressing something I am just merely sharing my own interpretation of what I think I know.  So if I am in this boat I could be safe to assume that many others struggle in the same fashion as I do, so I must take their opinion for what is worth; it is just their interpretation of what they think they know.   What I do know is that I will never get tired of learning.     

So in the spirit of learning, I do have a question for you; I truly don't understand why in your opinion it is ludicrous for somebody to display their credentials?  I as a consumer can appreciate having the choice of working with a real estate agent that has earned them vs. somebody that has not.  In a way I like to think that this person has gone to great length to obtain such designation(s).  And as an agent why would I not be proud to display it if I invested time and money to get it and in some statistically way I can differentiate myself from the rest?  Isn't a bit too condescending to state the consumer don't know any better?

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Joe - BTW - I agree with your focus on location (#10).  That's why I "built" 913 communities in the Phoenix area on Localism.com - the consumer site being launched by Active Rain - so I would have a place to post the local content!
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Tony, Blanca

The issue of credentials doesn't seem to want to go away.

When Tony first entered the real estate business and was advised to make people aware of his credentials that advice made perfect sense.

How many of the people who gave you that advice were aware of the power of blogging and its ground rules when they gave that advice? The answer, of course, is zero. The same people today might give you different advice.

Despite having been around this business in many capacities for many years, I continue to be amazed by how little awareness real estate people have of how they're perceived, so let me throw some more cold water around.

Hardly anybody who's not involved in real estate has any idea what your credentials mean - which makes them meaningless when you're addressing those people.

What is meaningful to them is that you've distracted them from acquiring the information they want with information that's only meaningful to you.  In the blogging environment it is totally, absolutely not about you. It's about what you know that people are interested in learning.

You only become of interest to people reading your blog once they've developed enough interest in what you have to share with them for them to want to learn more about you. When that happens they can easily click on your name - your name only - at the bottom of your post, and visit your profile. If, at that point, they see your laundry list of credentials and want to learn more about those credentials, it's easy enough for them to do that on the Internet.

You need to be aware that many true professionals are offended by anyone who flaunts their credentials and consider it - pardon the expression - a lower-class form of behavior that negatively brands the person who does it.

You also need to be aware that a small but significant and influential number of the people you encounter on the Internet consider your credentials to be Mickey-Mouse credentials.

Please don't go off on me on that, since I know how hard you worked to acquire them and do understand that they're meaningful. That said, when reading blogs, I - and I'm not alone in this - attach no positive weight to those credentials.  All the weight needs to be carried by the message you're communicating.

Have I addressed the issue or does it need more elaboration?

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I would like to ask that everyone try to digest what Joe is saying here without becoming adversarial. I know Joe comes off with a tone. He's from Jersey! I think he is making some valid points. We may not totally agree with all of them, or the manner in which he promotes them, but such is the beauty and wonder of conversational debate! Try to look beyond your learned presuppostions and find something you can apply.
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Hey Joe,

I agree with most of your comments and I'm sure I break a bunch of them. However, maybe I can help you understand #4.  I know you are new to AR and Localism.  One reason I (and others) post listings is that AR populates localism.com and localism has a section for local listings.  I don't think there is a way to get your listings on Localism without posting to AR first. Sherry

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Wow, Joe! I hope mine has not offended you in any way... I think with a vast majority of people with different goals and personalities, it is bound to have those that may not fit in this mould. But that's what makes this place interesting (I think!).

I share the same thoughts with K&S Spengel as far as "listings/ local activites/ reports" from AR to Localism. As far as I know, it needs to be posted on AR before it shows up on Localism. If there is any other way, please let me know!
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No, no more elaboration on that subject for me Joe, I see what you are trying to get at!  I do appreciate your efforts in sharing your opinion and I look forward to hearing more of your refreshing point of view.  

I can't say that I always agree with all of the ideas presented here in this forum, So I try to implement the ones I believe can work best for me and the way I envision developing my own business model.   Thanks Joe!

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Joe,

I like your style, Rich, Blanca, Bryant, and Tony as well!  Point - Counterpoint, I like it, reminds me of the old days (60's- 70's, I think?) when 60 minutes was in its heyday and actually discussed issues that you could take sides with.  I usually agreed to both sides of the debate (fence sitter) yet I came away with a new found appreciation of the subject matter.  This is why, IMHO, we read blogs, and comment and enjoy doing so .....this is the AR secret

Dick Beals

1:22pm • #27
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Loreena, Kevin & Sherry

You raise some good issues about listings that I hadn't considered.

I have a lot of problems with the way people present listings (I make my liiving out of that), but I have one overriding problem in the context of blogs. Most people aren't coming to blogs to find listings, which they can find almost anywhere, and they get in the way of what people are trying to find - the up-to-date local knowledge that only you guys have.

People who don't want to see listings shouldn't have to encounter them on a blog. AR doesn't make it possible for that to happen, unless I'm missing something.

Localism does a somewhat better job but confuses people by presenting them as "articles" in some contexts. Look at what you get when you click on Listings for Illinois on Localism. It's the usual junk that shows up on Realtor sites - including the usual "Why rent when you can own" addressed to people who are there because they've decided they don't want to rent.

I'm really impressed with what the AR / Localism people are putting together and, as you all see, I'm not easily impressed. I'd like to see them succeed and see all of the good folks among you succeed. A hard sell on listings makes that more difficult.

Perhaps AR might consider addressing this issue by excluding Listings from blogs unless people click on a See my listings link or some such approach. Again, the problem with that is that you have all these don't-give-a-damn-just-want-to-push-my-listing-types here who will categorize their listings as whatever to get what they think is some free promotion for them, without any regard for how that hurts the rest of you.

That's my first take on this subject, which I'm sure is going to recur.

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Very well said, Joe. I really appreciate you taking the time to divert from your Flickr series to respond to my request. Some of our members are very protective and passionate about this platform, and rightly so. Again, you've made some really valid points here, ones that many of us would do well to heed. So are you going to give the the Top Ten Things We SHOULD Do?

 

1:53pm • #29
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Rich,

Thanks for the pat on the back.

I will be do the Top Ten Starts / Shoulds as well as the Stops.

Number one, for now, is start satisfying people's hunger for info about the highly local area you know the best. There's no place else for them to get that info. Posting photos of your area on Flickr is one of the easy ways to do that - so I'll try to get back to my Flickr series.

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Joe, you needed a pat on the back. It beats dodging bullets! Thanks for contributing some very candid, but helpful stuff.
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The last person in the world I want to hear babbling about interest rates is a real estate agent or a mortgage broker

WHAT????  Who else is supposed to follow rates as much as we do?  I promise you that I spend more time following the fixed income markets and Fed each morning than most people  do reading the newspaper.

If a mortgage broker isn't an expert on interest rates, what the hell good is he? 

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Good grief, does this man have anger issues? Forgive me for skipping over the 31 comments (attention deficit disorder). I guess we all have different views. Forgive my assumptions, but do you bully and attack your clients with the same intensity?
8:16pm • #33
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Joe,

I have only been an AR member for a couple of days. It apears that you are a very active member. Indeed you replied to the second blog I wrote the other day.

Your 10 things are very enlightening. Having never blogged before each and every time I begin I ask myself what is my message and what value will it have to others ? Thank you for the your 10. I hope to find other individuals who will also make statements to what they feel is valuable to them on the future blogs they hope to read.

8:25pm • #34
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Joe,

Today I posted my first listing here on AR, I've been a member since July. Why did I post here? Because it's an option! We have a group called listings and if you post a listing it goes to Localism. And what's the bottom line, oh yeah - the bottom line! I'm not here to become a better blogger - it's just a tool.

8:36pm • #35
I don't have my first listing yet, but when I do I will be so excited I will post it everywhere.....sorry. The rest are really good guidelines..thanks
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Dena - thanks for providing me the perfect illustration of why people shouldn't blog their listings.

Ellie - Do you see the humor here? Your reaction to my post vaulted you past30+ comments so that you could wonder whether I had anger issues? Makes me wonder.

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OH! and P.S.   I would appreciate it if those people who are supplying photos of local communities would supply quality photos showing the community and .... Seems to me that our audience  is /will be attracted to ambiance .... Look at this one, Jon's choice, for example.

8:56pm • #38
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Well if you can get a gold star for attitude - you go it.

You have some valid points that I can agree with, but then again there are some I disagree with.
For example the "sig" file should be a standard part of every communication.  The idea is not to see how resourceful someone can be to hunt me down, but provide direct access conveniently.

suppose I cold debate more, but what the heck

Now Have a Blessed Day,

John Occhi, Hemet CA REALTOR
http://www.johnocchi.com/

9:10pm • #39
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John,

Your signature line firmly brands you as someone that many people do not want to know anything further about. That's my whole point.

Religion - even a hint of religion - is completely out of place in a conversation among strangers.

I think I'm not alone in finding the religious references on your Web so offensive that I would never buy a house from a seller who listed with you. Your site, in my take, violates the spirit - if not the letter - of fair housing laws, and that deeply disturbs me.

You are so not accomplishing your objective even if you do get people to go to your Web site.

 

9:26pm • #40
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Joe... I normally do not like to involve myself, to any extent, in posts drenched in Hate-O-Rade, but here I go. I DO kind of agree with a few of your points, but must address #2 and #4 and #8:

#2   We are a very supportive community. Well, for the most part. I like knowing who is reading my posts and what they have to say. I think that the large amount of comments/commenters here on AR is what makes this such a great community. Oh! And Active Rain is not for everyone...

#4   Did you know that the the internet is the #1 resource for buyers to look for homes? WAY above newspapers, magazines, etc? I guess I do not understand why you have an issue with listings, here. If you are not entertained reading them, then dont? No one gets points for posting a listing, so there is no competition, there. And, it does give consumers an idea of "what you can get" in the different parts of the nation. And, there is a catagory for "listings". And your retort to Dena was uncalled for.

#8 FYI, MOST of us are professionals, here - Realtors, Mortgage brokers, stagers, etc. And we are here talking about what we know and what we are passionate about. There is nothing wrong with that. I understand that you have something to do with a magazine about new homes. What do you care if I am a Realtor who talks about real estate or if Brian is a mortgage broker who talks about mortgage rates? (You sure do not talk about your line of work much...) 

Ultimately, you have never really had anything nice to say about the AR community, based off of all the posts that you have written here, and the comments that you leave... you are not the only one that is "dodging bullets" ...as we seem to have to keep dodging yours.

 

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As far as the blog No's No's or stop doings.  I think you are 100% correct. 
You won't find my real estate photo or logo on my local blog. www.thesilverbee.com  If I put this right up front I don't think I would have as many readers as I do after only 3 months. 

CLHMS, CRS, CRB, GRI  These mean a lot to ME as a realtor, but I don't think that a seller or a buyer has a clue what these initials mean and I don't think they give a hoot!

9:31pm • #42
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Why does the word "troll" come so irresistibly to mind?

 

9:32pm • #43
I think listings are fine under localism.  If you are telling people about communities they need to know price ranges.  Fremont CA is a great place to live, work or raise a family but you need to spend over $500,000 to buy a small house.  Don't you think that's important to know?
9:36pm • #44
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Hi Joe, I take issue with one of your points

4. Stop posting your bloody listings.

There is a section here to post your listings and it appears on the "localism" section of the site for consumers.  Aside from that, we sign a contract with our clients saying that we will do everything in our power to sell their homes.  We are legally bound to do just that.

Kelley

9:37pm • #45
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Mariana,

I'm not going to address most of your comment because I think it's clear that you don't know anything about me and won't take the time to investigage. That's fair. It's your time, and nothing is more scarce for any of us.

If this were only your community, then I agree that my post would be totally wrong-headed.

The point I'm trying - often unsuccessfully - to get across is that you're not just sitting around the water cooler here chatting with your friends. You're blogging for one and all to read. I know some of this is restricted to members, etc. but most of it is open to the public and I'm trying to represent the public's reaction to it.

Did I behave badly toward Dena? Objectively, yes. I'm not here to make friends. I am, however, trying to be a good teacher, and a good teacher sometimes delivers harsh criticism.

9:43pm • #46
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Yo!  I was right with you until you said "in which you quietly impress people".  I don't do "quiet".  Why do I have to be quiet? 
9:54pm • #47
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Tony, Blanca

The issue of credentials doesn't seem to want to go away.

When Tony first entered the real estate business and was advised to make people aware of his credentials that advice made perfect sense.

How many of the people who gave you that advice were aware of the power of blogging and its ground rules when they gave that advice? The answer, of course, is zero. The same people today might give you different advice. 

So you are saying that blogging didn't exist before 8/22/02, that official "ground rules" for blogging exist and have apparently been overlooked by thousands of people, and you speculate that these folks who you have never spoken to may have changed their position to one of supporting your contentions?

Despite having been around this business in many capacities for many years, I continue to be amazed by how little awareness real estate people have of how they're perceived, so let me throw some more cold water around.

How they're perceived by who?  And what are the credentials of those with a "negative" perception?

Hardly anybody who's not involved in real estate has any idea what your credentials mean - which makes them meaningless when you're addressing those people.

So you have spoken to millions of people to support that contention - or are just tossing it out there as "support" for your argument? 

What is meaningful to them is that you've distracted them from acquiring the informtion they want with informtion that's only meaningful to you.  In the blogging environment it is totally, absolutely not about you. It's about what you know that people are interested in learning.

With respect - I am confident that is your opinion - but not as confident as you apparently are that you are inside these people's heads!

You only become of interest to people reading your blog once they've developed enough interest in what you have to share with them for them to want to learn more about you. When that happens they can easily click on your name - your name only - at the bottom of your post, and visit your profile. If, at that point, they see your laundry list of credentials and want to learn more about those credentials, it's easy enough for them to do that on the Internet.

You need to be aware that many true professionals are offended by anyone who flaunts their credentials and consider it - pardon the expression - a lower-class form of behavior that negatively brands the person who does it.

With respect - I am confident that is your opinion - however - I'm not interested in snobs as part of my client base, and I challenge you to provide any factual evidence that supports your contention.

You also need to be aware that a small but significant and influential number of the people you encounter on the Internet consider your credentials to be Mickey-Mouse credentials.

Small - I agree.  Small-minded?  Significant - please quantify.  Influential - elaborate.  Influential over what?

Please don't go off on me on that, since I know how hard you worked to acquire them and do understand that they're meaningful. That said, when erading blogs, I - and I'm not alone in this - attach no weight to those credentials.  All the weight needs to be carried by the message you're communicating.

I agree that they are extraneous to the content of a blog post.

Have I addressed the issue or does it need more elaboration?  See above!

Joe - what I see here is opinion - but no evidence to support it - and that makes me wonder how valid that opinion is.  My opinion is obviously quite different than yours on some topics - and in agreement on others - but you won't find me trying to support my opinion with vague reference to mystical groups of influential folks lurking somewhere with disapproving frowns on their face if they see others disagreeing with me.

I suppose mentioning membership in MENSA would be considered churlish by you and your brethren.  IQ does not equal knowledge - so it's hardly relevant to a real estate discussion - except perhaps in a group dedicated to that topic.  I bring it up here only to give you some additional focus fodder in your response!

I read your posts and comments with interest - and noticed the same "tone" throughout.  One thing you should consider is that "Life TV" has a lot of viewers - car chases, on stage fights, etc.  The fact that something attracts a large audience does not make it a good or a bad thing - it makes it something that people observe.  My opinion is that your message would be more effectively distributed and actually listened to IF the delivery method underwent significant change.  Based on the comments and posts I have read (audience) - I leave with the feeling that I inadvertently stumbled into an episode of the Jerry Springer show!

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Joe, if you want people to take you seriously, then you need to address issues in a constructive way, and not through insults.  What ever valid concerns you might have had, have been lost in the demeaning manor in which you have presented them, and addressed people in your comments.

10:17pm • #49
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Tony,

I appreciate the time and effort you put into a very thoughtful reply.

You read opinion surveys. You know what the perception of real estate people is. It's a diversion to ask me to cite those surveys - which you'll find some way to discount anyway.

The links on my profile include some references to sites oriented to blogging professionals I can add a lot more if you'd like. Look around at what other people outside the real estate industry have to say and, if you're still so confident that I'm lonely in my opinions, let's discuss this again.

Thanks for the added fodder. I'd say tacky rather than churlish as to Mensa. Since you brought it up, I outgrew mentioning it about 6 weeks after I qualified for it and attended my first meeting.  The reactions from my "brethren" were pretty strong and not pretty.

Let's agree to continue disagreeing - hopefully for a long time.

10:23pm • #50
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Joe:

When I first read you post, I looked at the positives.  You provided your opinion on what should or should not be included in a blog.  This was your opinion all the same there was another blog earlier today that seemed to show appreciation for the differences here at Active Rain. 

In the Real Estate industry there is of course a lot of competition and often lots of negativity.  Active Rain is a place that Real Estate professionals come together.  Some of us don't know much about blogging and we come come to Active Rain to learn all that we can.  Some of us write professional blogs...all that said and done we can all learn something from each other.  I think it boils down to the reason one is posting.  I post mainly to express my opinions.  I also don't feel that my subject content is the best..but this is my voice.

FYI.....  I ran across this post More real estate user generated content - Inman News Wiki  and here is what is says about Active Rain.

Its social network provides a place for real estate professionals to socialize and explore industry issues, but it also is a marketing tool for reaching the consumer market.

10:25pm • #51
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Ardell,

Everybody else has to be quiet. You don't. As you can see, I don't do quiet either.

10:25pm • #52
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Ava,

Your comment prompts me to reiterate again my opinion that ActiveRain has enormous potential and benefit for real estate agents and consumers.

My continuing issue is that you can't send the same message to both at the same time.

You need and deserve the freedom to talk among each other in whatever way works for you. I don't dispute that in any way. Just, please, keep that away from the consumer.

I'm trying to provide the consumer reaction to what ActiveRain exposes me to as a consumer, and suggest how you should talk to me as a consumer if you want to draw my business. If you look at my profile you'll understand that I'm not interested in drawing your business, so I have the luxury of being blunt. 

My core business is tied to the success of large real estate brokers and newspapers - and too often it seems to me that both of those groups are committing suicide on the Internet, and leaving the field open to very predatory competitors.

10:33pm • #53
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Joe - I have to admit that I find your tone a bit abrasive and not at all refreshing, but that's only my opinion and I hope I don't offend you.  Thanks to Rich Jacobson,I am giving you a chance and opening up the objective part of my brain to hear what you have to say.  I appreciate your opinion but ask everyone here to please not apply #2 to my blogs.  I LOVE the encouragement, it makes me want to blog more.  As or Dena, our GREEN DENA, you educate us in ways many here only wish, so please continue.

Ines

10:34pm • #54
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Joe;

Please explain when you say that "both groups are leaving the field open for very predatory competitors".

10:39pm • #55
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Joe I'm surprised you got everyone so riled up. I read 10 good suggestions about improving my blog and wondered if I could be honest and objective about critiquing myself. If you have something to say about my blog, my other blog, my website, or my silly Realtor photo - bring it. I 'm always game for feedback. (also looking forward to the 10 must dos)
10:49pm • #56
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Joe,  Very entertaining post and comments.  I agree with most of your points but you come across as a very arrogant jerk.  I have to assume that is your goal.  That's a shame because I think most people will write you off as a big blow hard.  I took the time to check out your website which is very well done.  It's giving me some good ideas.  I did dig around and found your picture.  You look much different than the vision I had in my head (a young, cocky, nasty guy from Chicago)  Instead you look like a cranky old curmudgeon who might actually know a thing or two.   From some of your posts, I take it that you think personal pictures are a big no no.  I'd reconsider that if I were you.  Pictures give me a better sense of who I'm talking to.  Just my humble opinion.
10:50pm • #57
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Joe, You are right. My time is precious. I know nothing about you, except for what you write on AR. Care to share where one would learn more?

I must mention that we are all here on AR to socialize/learn/grow/interact. I HOPE that consumers read all of this. All of it. This is an "open" for us to discuss us and our industry. Some will make bad decisions and others will make good ones. WHat the consumer will see is a different side of our industry. They will see the human and caring and inquisitive side of us. ANd they will see the unprofessional side at times, as well. Whatever they see, it is educational. Of course we need to KNOW that the public is watching. But we DO know that.

What do you propose we talk about then, if not our industries and our passions? I guess Im confused and have NO idea where you are going with this...

10:53pm • #58
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Ava,

It's a long and very complicated story, so whatever I say here is a very simplistic summary.

What the Internet and the perceived increasing scarcity of time and attention have changed the most is the expectations that people (especially younger and more educated people) have of the businesses and people they buy goods and services from. I don't hae to tell any of you how much more demanding and impatient many people have become.

Newspapers aren't reacting quickly enough to satisfy the change in consumer demands and neither are brokers, at least from what I can see.

Both groups are, basically, going about business as usual, focusing on the types of customers they have or used to have and not coming to grips with the new ones. Meanwhile, the old customers are becoming more and more like the new ones.

How does a Zillow attract an audience of millions the day it goes live? By giving people what they want when they want it where they want it. What Zillow is giving the consumers may not be very good as you see it, but from the consumer standpoint it's "good enough" and better than nothing.

The best among you understand the power of blogging and are jumping in and trying to learn. Where were you franchises and giant companies while all the changes were going on? Where's their leadership in empowering you to use these tools and making them available to you?

I have to stop. I could, literally, go on forever on this topic.

10:53pm • #59
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Agreed.  Nothing irks me more than people advertising their listings within their blog.  I'm not a huge fan of # 7 either....
10:55pm • #60
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Mariana,

Take another look at my # 10 where I sketch what you should talk about to consumers. And stay tuned for my 10 Shoulds (which will take me a while to get to).

What you should talk about among yourselves is whatever you feel like talking about. Please keep those posts Members only and you'll be doing yourselves a big favor. You'll learn more from each other when you keep your discussions private.

To all,

I'm writing a series on how you can reap huge benefits from Flickr (and, later, YouTube) and use them as training wheels to become more adept at social networking among the new consumers. I plan to do a lot more of that type of educational project here.

I have to tell you, though, that ActiveRainers aren't encouraging me to do that by exhibiting their desire to learn.

A controversial post like this one generates 3 clicks for every 4 views and tons of comments. My teaching posts generate 1 or 2 clicks for every 10 views, and no or few comments or questions. At the end of the day, we are what we do rather than what we say we are.

My latest post in the Flickr series is titled Google - Flickr took me from zero to # 1 in 1 day. At the bottom of the post you'll find a link to the previous posts in the series.

A number of you have pointed out to me how benevolent ActiveRainers are about encouraging each other. Encourage me by reading my positive stuff instead of ignoring it. I want to be of use not generate abuse.

11:13pm • #61
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Joe - I'm really glad your post got featured. As I've said all along here, you make some really valid points. Many may not appreciate the nature of your delivery, but I think these are many things we need to pay heed to. Thanks for hanging in there, in spite of all the flack.
11:42pm • #62
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Joe,

You nailed it, so just know that.  Whomever chooses not to listen, let them be that blog someone surfs through, on the way to someplace else, sucking up Localism stuff.

11:48pm • #63
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There sure are a lot of comments to this post.  Joe I thought your post was informative and helpful since I'm new here.  I have seen listings on AR and thought it was a little weird but after reading what Mariana had to say I can see the other side to it.  She's right, whoever isn't interested doesn't have to view  listings.  I have noticed controversial posts get a lot of comments but hey, what do you expect?

11:50pm • #64
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I'd like to see Joe and Ardell go HEAD TO HEAD. 
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I seem to like all of the Chicago guys.  Why are the all so "east coast" in style?  I can't go head to head with Joe until we find something we don't agree about :)
1:21am • #66
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Tony,

I appreciate the time and effort you put into a very thoughtful reply.

You are most welcome

You read opinion surveys. You know what the perception of real estate people is. It's a diversion to ask me to cite those surveys - which you'll find some way to discount anyway. 

Once more - fact avoidance coupled with pretensions of "knowing" what other people do...

The links on my profile include some references to sites oriented to blogging professionals I can add a lot more if you'd like. Look around at what other people outside the real estate industry have to say and, if you're still so confident that I'm lonely in my opinions, let's discuss this again.

The implication is I didn't do my homework prior to my response....your "krystal" ball has led you astray.  The confidence remains - so instead of avoidance, responsiveness would not only be welcome, but is essential to the survival of your thesis.

Thanks for the added fodder. I'd say tacky rather than churlish as to Mensa. Since you brought it up, I outgrew mentioning it about 6 weeks after I qualified for it and attended my first meeting.  The reactions from my "brethren" were pretty strong and not pretty.

Ah...but did I say I was a member? :-)  I surmised you would leap aboard that wagon and claim it, then discount it.  What in the world took you six weeks to identify your position on that? :-)

I'm always amused to watch "debates"....the common denominator is that the participants who are losing traction quickly tend to avoid the points made - and attempt to introduce diversions to avoid direct responses to direct questions.  Seems like the same old, same old here. 

You probably have a lot to offer.

Your delivery cramps your style.

I don't believe for a moment that this group of supporters you reference exists.  If they did - you would have highlighted this post to them and they could have commented.  They haven't.  QED.  That's Latin - as you are a J.D. you ought to know what that means.

I encourage you to share your suggestions for improvement in a way that encourages the audience to participate - that is - if you really want them to listen.  Otherwise - the arrogant snob approach should get you much attention, little following, and even less respect.  Your choice.  Inflame or display integrity?

1:27am • #67
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Mr Zekas, it is obvious you have a lot to offer and I, for one, would like to listen and learn.  I'll be reading the rest of your blog fully. 

It is totally unlike me to comment on something controversial and I am stepping out of my comfort zone with this one but I feel it's important for me to do so.

I have to agree with the majority of the folks here and say that your approach is more than a bit abrasive.  You remind me of a grumpy old man I met as a teenager.  He lived in the same building as I in Queens NY.  It took me many years to get to know this character.  Toward the end of his life (I had known him about 20 years by then) I had gotten past the crabby exterior and discovered that he really did have a good heart and a lot of knowledge.  I was glad to have known him and still think of him fondly years later.  Unfortunately a lot of people weren't willing to invest the time it took to get past his insults and he died pretty lonely.  Only a handful of us cared.

I don't think you're here to win a popularity contest and it is completely your choice how you present yourself to the rest of us.  But think of all the people you could impact positively if you chose a different attitude to go with all that knowledge you possess.

My posts thus far have been pretty fluffy but this is a learning process for me.  I have appreciated all the violations of your rule #2 by the other Rainers.  As for #4 and the listings, I believe, as most others, that the way AR is set up we need to post those so they can get over to Localism.  For now, that's the only way it works.  Another thing this post did is provide me with a newfound respect for Tony Marriott.  Not many possess the courage to go head to head with someone such as yourself.  I think he did a more than adequate job.

I'll continue reading you regardless of your attitude.  I think you have things of value to contribute.  I was always the peacekeeper growing up.  Old habits die hard.

4:06am • #68
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Joe,

1. Stop stealing copyrighted material and posting it here.  ----- AMEN!!!!

 2.  Stop slobbering over each other in comments. ---  My .02 is that comments are appreciated by everyone involved. 

3. Stop spamming each other in comments. --- I agree comments should not become ads of a mechanism to draw people away from the topic.

4. Stop posting your bloody listings. -- I disagree completely!  Localism has a section designed just to help promote listings.  Have we forgotten why we are in real estate.  Maybe Active Rain is more than just a Blog provider?

5. Stop braying about your company to consumers. - Why should we not work on marketing our business.

6. Stop disrespecting your readers by cluttering your posts and comments with your name, logo, contact info and tag line. ---  You can stop if you want I still see a value in it!

7. Stop whining about how misunderstood / under-appeciated Realtors are. --- whatever.

8. Stop pretending to know more than you do.  -- wow,don;t even want to start here...

9. Stop writing those idiotic profiles of yours. -  see 8

10. Stop ignoring location, location, location.  -   agree

6:36am • #69
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I wish I had the time to respond in some depth to each of the people who've taken the time to further the discussion ...

I'm moving on to what I hope are more educational pursuits.

Before doing that I owe Tony thanks for pointing out to me that I don't know the people I live among, travel among and hae worked with for 40 years and haven't understood the things I read that he doesn't.  As to my attitude, well folks have been making suggestions on that since I was about 4 years old. Not many of them, as you can see, have taken.

6:59am • #70
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Man, I miss the East Coast when I read stuff like this.  I actually relish people honking and screaming obscenties when I go back east and everyone telling it like it is ... it makes my day.  A while back, up north in WA someone laid on the horn, hung is head out the window and screams "Stop looking at the f'ing tulips and drive your f'ing car!"... my wife and I both said "we gotta move back east" - it made our day.  -ben (developer, activerain.com) living in WA for 8 years but still from Boston.

7:36am • #71
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You nailed the culture, Ben.

My last time back home in NJ I'm doing 80-85 on I-80. The guy behind me, 18 inches off my bumper for miles, is going nuts because I've left two whole car lengths in front of me. He finally passes me on the right and yells "you're in New Jersey, a..hole. Learn how to drive." Gotta love it.

7:50am • #72
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Maggie - Thanks for the support!

Joe - Gotta love the assumptive ploy, intentionally thanking someone for something they didn't do.  You avoided answering the very direct questions I posed about your stated opinions - just more vague references to people and information which you have been invited to share to support your contentions - but for whatever reason continue to avoid providing any substantive elaboration. 

One has to wonder why "the people I live among, travel among and hae worked with for 40 years" have not had an impact on your attitude.  

You reference them as those who support your contentions (though they are yet to be identified) yet proudly proclaim that you essentially ignore what they have to say...... "As to my attitude, well folks have been making suggestions on that since I was about 4 years old. Not many of them, as you can see, have taken."

Being from New Jersey is NOT a "protected class"! :-)

8:36am • #73
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Joe:

Thanks for taking the time to express your point of view.

8:58am • #74
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Good points, Tony - all along, you've been calmly making them.  Also, if people have been making suggestions since one was 4 years old about one's attitude, clearly it's NOT universally "loved" in the area from which one comes and therefore does not "gotta" be loved by everyone there, never mind people from areas where civilized discourse is valued.  I suspect, myself, that New Jersey is being maligned.  I'm sure my son would have mentioned this abysmal behavior to me when he lived there.

I agree with some of the points made in the blog, and disagree with others.  The presentation, however, is what gives me the "troll" impression - trolls traditionally thrive on the kind of discord that this blog clearly seeks to stimulate.

Well, that and the evident "do as I say, not as I do" attitude - it took all of 30 seconds to see the violations of #5 and #8 on  Joe's part. 

8:59am • #75
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Yo! Ok. I guess I will look forward to your "shoulds" post. I also (respectfully) disagree that all of our agent-agent posts should be private. I am a BIG believer of Consumer Empowerment, and that they deserve to know what goes on in our business, all the different facets. But you and everyone else is entitled to an opinion (or several...) on what should be Members Only and which should be private. No one will ever be in agreement 100%. Which is fine.
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Joe, Congratulations - Finally a post that didn't manage to make me think you are simply blowing off to blow off.  I would comment, though, that the current usage of disrespect (#6) and its forms as a verb is incorrect grammatically (can you tell I was a teacher?) even though it tends to be accepted among certain demographics (generally by age).  One "shows disrespect." While "hip" may be appropriate to the ad industry (often purveyors of even more disaster to the language) it is not necessarily appropriate in all situations.  I would expect that you might consider this one of those.

Regarding #8, I would hope more folks are here to learn and hone their knowledge of the business.  I also think there is good opportunity here for mortgage type to learn more about the Realtor side of the business and vice versa.  The same for the other areas of real estate here represented.

While the old chestnut about catching more flies with honey than vinegar may hold true, I would recommend that to catch them in the first place you have to create an environment that is inviting to them.  Moderation of your style (I know how though that is) may be more conducive to some of us actually learning from you rather than being alienated by your posts.  I continue to hope to learn!

 

 

9:48am • #77
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HAH !  I came back over here because of Rich Jacobsens post.  I like the way you talk.  Tell it like it is and let the chips fall.  I like to do the same thing but by nature I'm a little gentler.  That's why I'm the lone dissenter on Caleb's post about real estate investments.

I want to read more about flikr so keep it up.  I read the previous posts and missed this one.

I've learned a lot here from AR, not necessarily about how to blog but about real estate and techie stuff.  I try to keep my own blog focused on my market area.

 

10:28am • #78
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Here I sit,. reading this entire thread from the Palm Beach Countycourthouse. I am doing my civil duty as  juror and the pc's and internet connection are fueling my AR addiction.  On to commenting.

I do see some points that I agree with and some to differ with. Let's start here.. "J.P. Morgan: every man has two reasons for what he does, a good reason - and the real reason."   This is very true, and the reasons we each have will vary with our purpose, goals, desires, etc. So to make a template on how one should blog or a certain format to keep dosn't quite 'fit' in my perception.   We all have our reasons and our motives, and as such, the content of AR as a whole is what makes it great. It's eclectic to say the least.

Rather than take it a point at a time, I'll do my best to make is all mesh together, .. somewhat. All posts should be original material and no excuses for that, down to the style of presenting out listings which is fine to do. I for one do not mind slobbering comments, because comments are contributions that affect different people and perspectives in different ways. But I can see how something totally irrelevant on a serious posts may be frowned upon. After 70+ comments, should I post a link to my post? Not considered nice or appreciated, unless the blog owner doesn't mind due to the nature of one's relationship with the blog 'owner'.

If one feels the need to promote a company or themselves, there shouldn't be a reason not to do so. If your purpose is the get business, then why wouldn't one promote the company?  This includes setting one's self apart from other with logos, taglines, etc. Something like branding within the AR community.

Not the best place to whine, but that definition may vary with perspective. May this possibly fall under another category.. like clarification? or something along those lines? the material and its level of 'complaining' will define that.   Ego's are a part of our nature and some are bigger than others, so how one presents themselves to others is going to vary. One person might believe being humble opens the mind to learning and growing, while have a stronger desire to 'show the world what they know'. We all have the freedom to click on a click to leave or stay. So with the delivery by our egos, our profiles will probably reflect that. That reminds me, there is a certain someone that needs to finish the profile?  Back on track, we should be offering useful information on our local area, especially if we have a clue about it. Readers want info and should be entitled with it, even if they need to scroll down out blog page to find it over another posts which is about real estate topic or idea, rather than an area.

Consumers and professionals are miles apart in their interests in a way array of topics, by going back and forth and choosing which posts to make public or members only, we can control that and post for both. Is there a need to do one or the other?

In closing, and back to the original point,  "J.P. Morgan: every man has two reasons for what he does, a good reason - and the real reason."

Your reason may not be his reason, or her reason, or their reason.. motivation differs with each individual. My motivation to post about my love for God, may offend another who may choose not to work with me for it. That is a filter that is set in place and engrained deep within us.. I may or may not want to do business with them either, depending on the extremeness of their beliefs or amount of offense they take to my statement. All for the Glory of The Lord, who loves me and protects me in the shadow of this wings.. whether it be in obvious ways that are made to known to use or not.  

All in all, controversy has shown itself to be popular as all the egos line up to comment and offer up an opinion, including myself. :)    My perspective is to take what I can get from AR, this post and other comments.  see you around.

(lack of a logo inserted here due to my current location. so.. >insert Nick the Appraiser logo here<

peace

EDIT: I forgot to ask a very important question...

 

 

 

 

Joe,                   What is your blood type?

10:50am • #79
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I understand what you are saying. I do agree to a certain extent. But let's not forget you have NAR advocating some of the designations and consumers looking for those credentials. It's kind of a catch-22. If you advertise and consumers are looking for that, you get business. If you advertise and the consumer has no idea, they think you are flaunting. No advertising can lose you business in the first instance but may gain business in the second....

What's an agent to do? 

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Joe,

First time 'reader'...and I'll be back. Thank you for the'cold water' you provide.

More importantly, thanks to the link to your Flickr series. As a 7-yr. "vet" but a newbie in the blogosphere, this is very good information. And I appreciate that you are willing to go into such depth on a 'public' site and offer 'value'. If that's how you work with your current clientele, I can see why you're successful.

And yes, I may have to change my 'signiture line' !

11:44am • #81
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Tony,

I "avoided" answering your questions for a simple reason.

Your questions are along the order of "prove to me that the sun is shining where you sit. I'm 1,000 miles away and you have no evidence for it."

Prove to you that a large number of people don't know what a CRB or a CRS is? Why would I waste my time searching for the NAR surveys on the issue? Either you know that from your own experience, or you don't.

Is it my opinion that I know people who think in a certain way - or is it a fact that I know people who think that way?

All one can do in the face of that kind of argument is sigh, and move on.

11:54am • #82
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Hi Joe Zekas,

How’s the weather in Chicago?   I like this post!

1. Apartment Complex in Brooklyn Sold for $1.3 Billion

The sale of Starrett City, a low and moderate income complex, illustrates an exuberant real estate market, experts say.  (Headline New York Times)

Do you know any bail bondsmen when I get locked up?  JK.  Thanks for letting every one in AR know about this…many who understand the ramifications know not to post material which is not their own. 

2. I like this Post and speaking of little league; my father used to make bets with other parents in the crowd if I was going to hit a home run; most of the time my father won some money and would bring to the Golden Arches after the game.  Yummm, I used to love those happy meals.   

3.  See more New Condos

4.  well I’ll skip this one…

5. condoDomain.com is your source for new condos, luxury condominiums, condo-hotel, lofts & urban homes online. condoDomain.com was designed with the buyer in mind. Here on condoDomain.com you can find condo listings from all different real estate firms and new construction high-rise condos from the nations leading developers. Search Today!  Sorry sue me!  I am proud of condoDomain.com and I like to make awareness to buyers and brokers so they can use our marketing tools…FOR FREE.

6. condoDomain.com

7. Realtors like to connect on this level of speaking about their concerns about the business or current hardships…so let them connect.  Why are you so grumpy?

8. I am finalizing my masters @ MIT right now, not an actor on Broadway.

9. OK

10. Great idea… but not yours to own and preach. Wow, did I say that?

I want to conclude that “The "ActiveRain Real Estate Network" is a free online community for real estate professionals run on behalf of its members. We are building this community in order to help members promote and grow their real estate business on the Internet.” 

I didn’t write this, I found it on the front page of http://activerain.com/.

PS, a blog is anything you want it to be and the users of active rain will determine what is acceptable and what is not; not you.  Did I say I like your post.

12:00pm • #83
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Yo Joe,

 I am new to AR and to blogging. I have been doing my own research trying to find out what content is appropriate for a blog. I appreciate you breaking it down. Tina Shah

12:04pm • #84
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Joe,

I'm not looking for "proof" of anything - just some factual basis for your contentions.  Apparently you are unable to provide any! :-)  That doesn't surprise me.  I don't recall you contending the sun is shining where you sit - nor asking for proof of that contention!  :-)

"Is it my opinion that I know people who think in a certain way - or is it a fact that I know people who think that way?"

It's an unsubstantiated claim at this point.  All you have to do is convince one of these significant, influential brethren to make a meaningful comment on this post.  So far - haven't seen a sign of them.

Joe, You have pontificated and gratuitously offered up claims that others are like-minded as support for your contentions.  When put on the spot - you can't offer any substantive support - so you claim that to do so would be "beneath" you.

It sounds like you are migrating to "face saving" mode - attempting to exit stage left without any meaningful response - and at the same time engaging in a futile attempt to portray yourself as being "above" the discussion that you began.  As an attorney, how would that approach prevail in a court case?

"Your Honor, I really don't have anything to back up my claims, but to ask me to do so is beneath me, so I'm going to "sigh" and expect you to respect that these proceedings are beneath me, and find for my client."  A great skit for Monty Python!

It's easy for anyone to claim anything and publish it on the Internet.  When pushed for evidence - any evidence - and they are unable to provide even a "shred" - credibility takes a nose dive! 

Greg Swann of Bloodhound Blog stated unequivocally at a blog meeting that credibility is paramount in blogging.  If your statements don't stand up to scrutiny, then your credibility is lost - permanently.

 

12:22pm • #86
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Tony,

I almost said: Tony, Tony, Tony! There you go again!

You're right. I clearly lack the talent to respond to you in a way that's meaningful to you. And there are certain discussions I like to think I'm above.

I'm not about to exit stage left, which means that people will have some time to judge my credibility and what I know about the topics I'm posting on. And if you care to continue reading my posts and commenting on them, they'll have more time to judge your credibility.

 

1:02pm • #87
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Joe,

A lot of words to essentially say "no comment"!

You may want to check out - and perhaps comment - on this post by Dena Stevens.

Which of the groups do your significant and influential brethren come from that you mention in your profile?

Joe Zekas

Joe Zekas works at adding to his used-to-be's: dirt-poor Pennsylvania coal-town kid, shortest in class through 8th grade, New Jerseyan, hitch-hiker, motorcyclist, statistical typist, library clerk, delivery boy, classical scholar wannabe, gas station attendant, tuxedo salesman, psychiatric aide, social worker, civil rights activist, draft-dodger, gun-toting truck driver (Brinks), bartender, temp secretary, Lucey's Raider, Wisconsinite, large-firm attorney, real estate developer, condo converter, tax shelter syndicator, multi-level marketer, married person, newspaper publisher, money-losing tech gadfly, software developer to name a few.

Joe is Chairman of Data Based Ads and dabbles in YoChicago.

1:16pm • #88
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All of those groups,  Tony. They're called consumers. Start paying attention to them.
2:01pm • #89
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I see you mention they are "used-to-be's" - wonder why? :-)

Again with the unfounded implications - Start doing.... implies someone is not already doing so - pretty pathetic response.

And still no comment from your "brethren".....

3:00pm • #90
I have been trying to learn about and become involved in this forum. I am now more confused than ever
3:24pm • #91
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Tony,

You're obviously someone who cares deeply about your professsion, and has invested a lot in learning about it.

Because I respect that I'm going to stop responding to you. You're only harming yourself.

3:30pm • #92
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Joe,

I appreciate the fact that you have run out of non-responsive comments.  Looks like a stray escaped from your bag of trite remarks "You're only harming yourself."

Had you left that stray remark out your comment would have been far more effective.  I don't see anyone being harmed here - by you or by me.

I see a stated position, a challenge for evidence to support it and a non-responsive trail thereafter. 

It has become clear that you will not be able to provide the requested information, so I will no longer put you on the spot by continuing to stay on point and requesting it.

It all goes back to credibility.  You launched an attack - for whatever reason - and were utterly unable to support your contentions or your style of delivery.  If you want to be taken seriously, and be considered credible, you need to behave in a reasonable manner.  If you don't care about being taken seriously, or considered credible, continue with the behavior you exhibited here.  Your choice.  Your results!

 

3:58pm • #93
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Bill Carroll - what specifically do you find confusing?
4:15pm • #94

I'm not sure about Bill, but pretty much all of it.  I can't believe I read the whole thing!

Joe, your opinions and suggestions are points well made.  Now, I will have to make my own decisions about which way to go because I don't support some of your ideas.  It really sound more like the list of things that YOU don't particularly like on a given day when you are reading on the dashboard. 

Like many other things in the world, blogging is not mature enough to know exactly what will be the most profitable.  I have some credentials that I have worked damn hard to get and I like them.  When people have worked hard to achieve a designation, we can encourage and support them by allowing recognition.  If the public doesn't understand them, where is the data that says the publici is still turned off by them?  Public probably doesn't hold them against the agent and may actually be impressed.

Listening to you at level 3, Joe, I think you have found a way to push buttons, stimulate controversy and get a long thread that will probably be tied to Google someday.  Someone mentioned Jerry Springer -- see it worked for him too.

It is a  lime, not a grape.  Sour

11:09pm • #95
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2007
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Paula,

You might be interested in this discussion of the subject from Google Answers.

I received my JD degree in 1974 and practiced law in a 300-person firm in Chicago for 5 years. Quite a few of the attorneys in our firm had other advanced degrees (PhD, MA, MS, etc). I've never once in my life used the degree after my name. Anyone who did in the professional circles in which I moved was viewed as an object of ridicule. Except in an academic context I've never seen anyone who graduated from a quality law school or practiced in a large firm environment attach their degree to their signature or use it on their business card.

If you're interested, look at the firm's roster. The only reference you'll see to credentials is in the individual bios.

You might argue that my experience is limited to a rarified stratum of attorneys. But if people like that frown on using it themselves, how do you think they react to people who attach real estate certifications to their name? In my mind, it's a question of whether you want to appear to be a professional to everyone, or not. I come down firmly on the side of concluding that I want to appear professional in the way I introduce myself to people, i.e. no credentials.

And then, of course, there's the fact that Miss Manners deems it inappropriate. But then etiquette doesn't much matter any more, does it?

Some of the more hard-core cynics I know would say: "Why are you telling them this. You're just making it harder for me to sort out the losers. It's like a tattoo."

12:14am • #96
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I think Joe, the reality is that all things are good sometimes. For a blog, you are absolutely correct because of the blog reader profile.

But if people don't want to hear it, No skin off your nose.  Tell em to go pound sand.

You don't have to proove it.  I proove it every day with a never ending stream of clients from blogging.

12:24am • #97
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Thanks, Ardell.

My concern, because I've seen it happen with agent Web sites, is that the bad will ruin it for the good. Once people have seen half a dozen bad ones they're far less likely to visit the next one, which might be great.

12:30am • #98
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2007
Most sites and blogs are hacks...a term we used in the comedy community from comics who stole other comedian's material. It's give us pause to stop, reflect and write what we know about real estate or whatever might be interesting to read.
Terrill Fischer
3:32am • #99
I am down in Naples, Florida trying to get out of the freezing weather in Toledo,Oh.  Sitting at the beach, thought I would check out the BLOGS on my phone.  You all made me laugh out loud....I love a great discussion like this. I agree with some of what you said, however,as far as promoting ourselves and posting our listings to the public...well that is what we do best.  If it helps me sell houses, I am gonna do it.  Anyway, thanks for the laughs, you all are brutal. :-)  If I could I would add my photo and my logo :-)
11:12am • #100
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2007
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Joe,

I think people here think blogging is to each other to get referrals.  You and I don't have that objective.  I do think Active Rain can be productive for you and I, but only if we put the ones we don't want people to see in Members Only (like this one should be :)

I see Active Rain as maybe a place to reach people relocating to Seattle, so getting to the top spot in Seattle is my goal.  Then I just make sure the publicly available posts are "in order".  If I am at the one spot and they hate the othe blog writings...allt he better for me, don't you think?

10:39pm • #101
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Ardell,

Please don't take this wrong, but if I were looking to move to Seatlle I think I'd blow right past your blog after the first time I saw it. There isn't enough to hold me as a buyer, and I wouldn't be moving to "Seattle" - I'd have some much narrower area in mind..

Right now, and for the foreseeable future, I think there's an opportunity for smart real estate brokers to do a major land grab - to stake out some turf and own it, and to have a saleable asset when you're ready to move on to it.

Seattle real estate, however, is too broad a turf. I want someone who shows me that she knows the turf I'm interested in better than anyone else.

If you haven't already done so, and have some time, check out my series on Flickr, especially take a look at my ypretend focus area. It's walkable - but potentially lucrative, and something that could be transitioned into by an established practitioner who can't just stop and refocus.

The Internet technologies, especially blogging, enable people to niche out dramatically. I think those niche players are going to blossom over the next few years and begin to dominate. They'll disintermediate a whole raft of service providers they're now dependent on because search engines connect them directly with interested consumers at little or no cost. If, and right now it's a huge if, the local content is there to be found. Right now there is virtually no local content on the Web that's meaningful to home buyers and sellers. Whoever gets there first has what used to be, in more innocent times, referred to as the first-mover advantage. In this context, I think it's a real advantage.

This isn't the place for what could be an extended and valuable - to me at least - discussion. Want to suggest a venue for it?

11:02pm • #102
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14
2007

Joe, what could be a positive and educative discussion turned to be a negative one. It happend mostly because of the negative type of language you have chosen on this post.

'Negativity' sells itself...(people tend to read or hear negative news, for example, before reading a complimentary article...)however, the bottom line is that it leaves bad taste and bad (or, wrong) impression on the readers.

While you had a good cause, and you also presented yourself TO EDUCATE PEOPLE...remember, in our age we are able to choose our teachers...and you will not find too many people in your classroom in the future using a negative language.

What I'm saying is, that eventhogh I AGREE with some of your points, and DO NOT AGREE with other points, you've missed completelly on AR basic ideas for constructive comminication and good information .

We are all entitle to hold and express different point of views...and you do, too. The way is important, though.

10:34am • #103
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Eli,

You educate your way, and I'll educate mine.

As a freshman in college I had a wonderful old classics scholar by the name of Luitpold Wallach for a Latin course.

He began the first day of teaching by looking around the room and counting heads. The total count was 14, and when he reached that point he announced "I cannot teach this many people effectively, and most of you will dislike my style. I am demanding and impatient and don't suffer fools for students. A week from now there will be four or five of you. If you don't belong, you will know it by the end of the week."

By the fourth class, the following Monday, there were five of us, and we had a great and miserable semester together.

Dr Wallach taught me a lot of things, one of which is that people who pay more attention to the way a message is delivered than to the message can disrupt the learning process.

Anyone who wants to can spend their time elsewhere. A large part of my bluntness is designed ti discourage the time-wasters, and the people who'll only accept a message that's sugar-coated and therefore easy to ignore.

12:58pm • #104

And so I will...

It was a nice example using Dr Wallach's techniques and approach...I can show you how a complete different approach will educate with better results...But from reading you thus far, I should not waste my time any longer...Just to finalize this issue...No doubt , that you are one of those that cannot take another people views, neither care about other people at all...you think you know it all, therefor can teach, and there is nothing for YOU to learn from nobody else...thats unfortunate. I always say There IS something NEW to learn every day...regardless of how educated or old we are...You are encouraged to do the same. Nothing is sugar-coated over here, I hope. Accept it as is.

2:17pm • #105
ok you're a hypocrite.
2:26pm • #106
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Oh, there's plenty of sugar-coating going on here at Active Rain. This community is already deeply engaged in group-think to its detriment. I have been enjoying your posts Joe. A critic is essential to every successful organization.

2:44pm • #107

Aaron, I agree with your comments.

Joe has fail to understand that basically I agreed with some of his points as well...however I did not agree with the language he have used in this post, and continued with his last comment... I don't have to agree, do I ? He could go out BIG if he could accept critic the way he criticize others...

Unfortunately  Joe, you cannot accept critic yourself, therefore you cannot gain any respect, and you are leaving SMALL.

Hypocrite ?...who , me?  LOL, there are few things that nobody can ever accuse me for and this is one of them...but never mind, after all you 'know' me so good, and still, you are entitled to have your own attitude and prespective.

Wasn't it the way you described yourself at the very beginning of your post...?!

5:39pm • #108
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Eli,

I posted on the topic of ten things people should stop doing on their blog. In other words, I tried to initiate a conversation about the merits of each of these ten things. I didn't come here to debate my style, and you shouldn't either.

You - and a number of other folks - jump in, and all you can babble about is that you don't like my tone.

And then you want to insist that I'm the one who is impolite!

If you don't have any intention of discussing the topic, what are you doing here?

All you're doing is making my point for me - too many people in the real estate business are clueless about how they're perceived, don't understand the ground rules of blogging, and need to back off and listen.

If you then determine that what I'm saying has no merit, and can't learn anything from the people who are contributing to the discussion, that's fine. In the meantime, make an effort to learn the rules of the game you're playing.

If you have anything to teach me, discuss the issues I posed. If you don't, then all you're doing is getting in the way of the people who do.

6:33pm • #109
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Joe

I noticed no one posted their logo in your comments. On any other post I see them all over the place. heck I started doing it too like an email signature.

Have you read Guy Kawasaki's post - Is Your Boss and Asshole?  

I gotta agree with you about Dena's listing post

I didn't check with the other 2/3 of the team - chop off the head on the right - john 


6:38pm • #110
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Well, I wish I knew who I was responding to from The Team.

I've read Guy Kawaski and heard him speak a number of times.

I don't understand the point you're trying to make with the Kawasaki reference. 

No one is anyone's boss here. The differences between an employer - employee relationship and a blogger - commenter relationship are too huge to make any comparisons worthwhile.

Let's keep this on topic, please: ten things you should stop doing ....

One way for me to stay on topic is to re-express my opinion that waving a sign around on someone else's post is an act of vandalism. Outside of this insular AR universe, people don't much like vandals.

6:59pm • #111
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YO, Joe

Focus - last line - head on (your) right - john

Hey, I agree with most of what you say and i like the direct approach. Your right on target about the world outside of AR - you don't see many flags. I wonder if that is because most comment boxes don't allow you to post an image?

I haven't thought of it in terms of vandalism - makes sense. I noticed a shift in AR about mid-December. At that time it seemed like a whole new genre of posting and especially commenting started to build. I think there is a connection with the point system.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. I like Guy Kawasaki. I thought the post was direct and challenging similar to in tone to yours and wondered if you had read it. 

got to go - I see you have a new post up - need to read it before dinner 

9:09pm • #112

"It should be a conversation in which you quietly impress people with what you know and with your passion for your business."

"Call me a hypocrite."

I'm not impressed and you are a hypocrite by stating that.

9:15pm • #113

Joe, your post at this point is irrelevant...I did comment twice on your points (yes, without going into details on each one of your ten points), it is irrelevant because you got too personal, not agreeing (of-course) on your false language...you are a bad educator, and as you said before...since the age of four, you have your own negative mind, and hell you are not going to change it, and too late now for changes, is it?

BTW, if you'll take the time to read the comments, you will find out that a fellow name John, from the previous comment - The Harper Team, did have his name there. FYI. now you know who you responded to...I hope. It shows me also how well detailed or observing you are...

I am sorry I cannot teach you nothing you don't know already. Maybe I should be happy that I don't have students with your attitude in my class room any more. I always found it very amusing when either my students, or my soldiers, were trying to "test me"...just like little kids, and you are not different.

As I've said before, just in case you've missed my point...education can be done effectively in a positive way...thats all.

 

9:17pm • #114
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John,

I missed the point that it was you commenting.

I simply blow right past the logo / picture and look at the signature line to see who's commenting. That's so ingrained in me because it's the way it's done everywhere but here. Since I ignore the logo the reference to John made no sense to me and I missed it.

9:23pm • #115
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Joe - I think you and I will wholeheartedly agree on this - anyone that can't sign their post has no business posting or commenting.

At the very least, i would like to know who you are so that i can avoid the possibility of having to do business with you. If a person can stand up and be accountable for what they say, I have to quesiton the depth of their character and integrity.

I may disagree with Joe's delivery but I know where he stands and that means a hell of a lot more to me than many things.

I like it that I have to type in the word passion to submit this comment - I am very passionate about this comment! 

 

9:33pm • #116
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Joe,

All of my business comes from blogging, though I don't consider Active Rain a "blog" per se.  But I've gotton two clients from it this week...direct...not referrals.  So I'm OK with where I am :)  Most of my business comes from my writings at Rain City Guide.  But this was a good week for me at "the Rain."

9:34pm • #117
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Ardell,

As long as we've totally lost focus here, I have to type Plum to post this comment. Your comments are also welcome Plums.

Not  because you agree with me, but because you explain why in a why that people may understand better than the way in which I explained it.

What I'm continually trying to hammer across is a variant on the point you make - not just that some members of this group find a lack if credibility in the lack of a name, but that that's the hcommon reaction of most consumers.

9:41pm • #118
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2007

WOW! I am new at this, just posted my information and never posted a blog. But found this site and thought what the hell. Usually I am working and don't have time for this stuff. Joe your blog was so interesting I printed it out and plan to use it as a guide at least for now. You must be doing something right with all the responses your getting. 

You make some very good points. One of the first things I read on this site was something copied from a book and posted. Where do these people find the time? Another was a Real Estate agent with a listing. I hope to learn more about this site, it's seem interesting. We'll see??

4:17am • #119
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Roxanne, I suggest you READ the responses before thinking that a bunch of them mean that Joe's doing something right. ;-)  After all, trolls, ones that are good at trolling, get lots of responses, too - that doesn't mean one should follow their example! 

Joe has some good points and some that many very successful bloggers disagree with.  Don't let him convince you that he has the last word on how things should be done - a lot of what he does is a combination of personal preference and control issues ("the way I like it done is the only right way and anyone who doesn't do it/prefer it my way is an idiot" syndrome, combined with "everybody 'in the know' does  things the way that I prefer" syndrome - sad, really, when someone has so little confidence in their choices that they must try to force everyone else to choose their way in order to shore up those choices - but, then, that's how we get religious wars, it's nothing new in human nature). 

I suggest that you read all of the comments, go over Joe's suggestions one by one, read the bloggers who've expressed disagreement with him and the bloggers who are most subscribed to, read the posts in the newbies group, and figure out your own style.  Because blogging, here and in the rest of the world, as near as I can tell from  just about everyone but Joe, is nothing if not an individual voice/style sort of thing.  That's one reason it's become so popular, in fact. 

 

7:07am • #120

Tricia,

Thanks for tip, I'll watch Joe over the next few days but he make good points. I hope he changes his mind and decides to stay around. Right or Wrong he says what he feels good or bad. He calls if like he see it. What a concept! I'll go check out the newbies group after I comment on Joes discrimation issue on another blog. Good thng I've got a break in my day, this stuff is time consuming.

 

6:11pm • #121
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2008

Hats off to you ... might I add ... Stay positive and have a light heart in these economic times!!

Jan

4:44am • #122

Great tips Joe. I am pretty new to AR so that stuff helps. Thanks.

6:24am • #123
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Hi Joe.  Why all the hostility?  You seem angry.  What is really bothering you?

Ken

6:51am • #124

Hi Joe,

It was very refreshing reading your post.  I am in the process of learning how to blog and the reason I am doing a lot of research on how to do it differently from most of what I read out there.  Can't imagine to spend the time to be out there and not to make sense of it.

Carla
7:02am • #125

It may be wise for AR to limit the number of comments to avoid 10 pages of debate between the writers and the readers. Some people seem to have taken this post very personal which is very different from passion.

 

 

7:14am • #126

Hi Joe,

Wow, the great thing about this blog is the difference of opinion. But in reality many of us utilize AR to connect with other professionals on a friendly basis. We have made friends and have learned from each other. So Joe in my opinion it's not your way or the highway. But that's what's great about the Rain.

7:26am • #127
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I love that this post was written almost 2 years ago and is still a topic of conversation.  Since then, I think AR has added a few things which will assist agents in not breaking any of your "rules" - such as the outside blog option.

Tina in Virginia

7:59am • #128

Joe,

Nice of you write here. But you miss the purpose that this is the network.  We sure should follow guidelines on language, copyright and so on but we do this to link up with others in the community and learn a little from each other.

Stan Stepak
8:09am • #129

I agree with you on all but one item:

#8 Listings - they shouldn't be posted to general areas but to specific areas for listings - localism, groups designed for specific areas ( Carolina Coast, etc.)

But in the end this isn't an ad, but PR. Google picks these posts up - so this is an opportunity to stand out.

 

8:11am • #130

I should also ask.  How is your post a features one?  Because it is opinion and "rain" wanted to see how people view this site?  Wow I could have posted this comment and had 100 responses.

Stan Stepak
8:13am • #131

I am new to blogging and have been patiently waiting to comment on an appropriate blog that I can add to but I have always understood blogs to be conversations with the ability of many opinions from a larger web based audience.  WhatI do not understand is how this conversation and the responses diverted to a whole new topic.  This proves your point that some other bloggers do not respect the topic and are looking for another SEO plug or an ego boost or to add anything to get their AR points higher.

AR is a place to connect and network but I am seeing many people jump into a blog and jeopardize the respect of a network.  Think about it...    ...if we were face to face some of these comments would never be made and if they were said the conversation would probably end or escalate to a direction no benefits from. Our virtual world eliminates alot of emotions but they can still be perceived and thus creating alot of animosity.  Just like in the real world people who loose interest will eventully leave the room.

Show the same respect. Do not burn bridges. Start a new blog, a new forum. Blogs get either very few comments or too much and most of the time in a different directions than the original focus.  As with most authors, they send a very clear message and thus the respect should follow in any response.

8:24am • #132
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Your blog points out some good facts but there are many flaws to your thinking. Part of getting our information out there to customers has to do with SEO and a few of your tips would dwindle ones SEO meaning while you have good information the person(consumer) you are trying to reach will never see it.

8:46am • #133
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One more thing is braying = bragging? Because I dont recall crying.

8:47am • #134

Joe, my wife and are both fairly new subscribers to AR and new at blogging.  We were just talking about the do's and don't just yesterday afternoon.  We had been reflecting on some of the very things that you have been talking about.  AR should be a place where we as professionals share information and knowledge with each other.  There is much to learn in real estate and I am very grateful for those on Active Rain that have provided me with excellent information and feedback.  Thanks for the timely blog!!

Jerry Hill, Network Real Estate, Inc., Little Rock, AR
8:52am • #135
Outside Blog

Wow, somebody ticked you off and you let us have it today.

9:19am • #136

Amen to #4.  Listings should be posted on your local listing service where an agent with a buyer will find them. 

Brenda (Diamond Dwellings Realty, Atlanta metro area
9:19am • #137
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Especially true are the inane comments left by people adding to their point totals.  Try to say something relevant about the post - then they would be worth reading. 

9:57am • #138

Well, you said it all.... I feel like I do when the US flag passes me by in a parade. Elated, proud and excited all at the same time!  I so want my fellow agents to rise from the lowest level of expectation and up to the highest level of professionalism.  I think they just don't know there is anything wrong with the actions they accept as normal.  We need to see a vision flashed before our eyes every now and then of what professionalism looks like.  Thanks, I really needed this!

Sandra Scott
10:22am • #139
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it is a very good top ten list.  More than a little off your focus, but good.  I try to stay moderately focused but I do it on the blog that is attached to my website so that all the long tail search terms are applied to my site rather than to AR.  It works you should know.

 

I would suggest you add a #11 to your list: Stop spending so much time at Active Rain, blogging and commenting, and spend some of that time writing on a blog attached to your own website, in the long run it will bring you more benefit.

12:00pm • #140
119,359 Points 3 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor

I do post some listings, but I always check the box that identifies it as a listing so that it will be placed in the local area for listings.  There is also a group for posting open houses, and I post there.  Other than that, I agree with all of your issues. 

I do get irritated on occasion by the overwhelming promotional stuff that a few people load up in their comments.  I haven't had much of that in comments on my posts, but I see a lot of it in other blogs.  I'm one of those people who read all comments on every blog I read.  There is often a lot of good info in comments as well as the original post. 

I would also add that hijacking someone's post is rude.  Some hijacks turn into chat rooms on subjects completely off topic.  It may add to the poster's points, but I don't blog just to get points.  If you want to change the subject or chat on unrelated things to friends, I think you should start your own post on the subject or go to a social chat site.  I think people need to run their blogs however they want.  I just think some will benefit more than others by being more thoughtful and more professional.

12:21pm • #141
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Aloha Joe,

You raised some interesting points and here's a couple more,

Stop using a logo in place of your personal photo. It implies you either think look like Quasimodo and have low self esteem or that your magnificent mug graces the 10 most wanted poster at the post office. 

Stop using STOP to begin each point. It comes off as being bossy and arrogant, qualities that might make a great first base coach but other than that...

Sorry, but your tone invites a less than slobbering response.

Peace,

12:22pm • #142

I am quoting this - "Only speak if you can improve upon the silence"

12:49pm • #143

Wow... Obviously Joe and a few others could use a client or two... Waay too much time on your hands..!!! Looks like everyone's violated Joe's top 10 list including Joe himself..!!!

Joe- please stop whinning, defending yourself and trying to convince us how swmart you are and use that time and energy to find some clients..!! And if they need a lender, then give me a call..!! LOL..!!

3:55pm • #145
NOV
09
2008

Blogs definitely mean different things to different bloggers.

To some it's a pulpit, to others it's a scrapbook.

 

Thanks for the insight, you make me feel good about what I'm doing.

 

Best....

 

Jodi Summers

The SoCal Investment Real Estate Group

Sotheby's International Realty

jodi@jodisummers.com

www.SantaMonicaPropertyBlog.com

www.SoCalMultiUnitRealEstateBlog.com

www.SoCalGreenRealEstateBlog.com

**

I don't make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts. - Will Rogers

 

2:26pm • #146
NOV
10
2008
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Y'all need to understand that Joe has vacated the premises.  Last comment before these in November 2008 was posted in February 2007.  I'm sure Joe has gone on to bigger and better things telling people how to do things the right way.

9:06am • #147
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Update.  Joe actually left AR in Feb. '07 not long after the last comment on this post.

9:08am • #148
NOV
12
2008
166,406 Points 15 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Way to go Joe!

I know, I know. Joe's gone. Where's the retention team?

12:56am • #149
NOV
13
2008
Outside Blog Hit Router

Unfortunate that Joe is gone, I was being entertained completely by this post!

1:42pm • #150
NOV
26

great blog and serves as a reminder to all of us to come back to from time to time...

8:16am • #151
NOV
30

Hi Joe,

(In violation of #2) Great post, you really put it together for us. :)  Admittedly, most of my comments are for points.

#4, I really don't agree with this.  In line with point #11, (Don't generalize and tell others that a BLOG has a specific purpose or can only be used in a specific way.)  I link to my BLOG from several websites and social networking sites.  I definitely use it in several ways.  To me, MY BLOGis for general real estate information, personal promotion and a tool for selling listings (or soliciting buyers).  Point #11 is like saying that a real estate website should only host MLS data or serve as a home valuation tool.

#8 Agreed!

Best regards,
Mike

 

1:12pm • #152
DEC
10
273,826 Points 3 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog

Kind of a sobering analysis.  I hope I haven't been guilty of too many of these faux pas.

4:59pm • #153
JAN
05
2 Featured Posts Hit Router

Joe liked to 'stir the pot'. Too bad that he's gone. He left some interesting posts 'tho. I too find it irritating to have someone slap their logo or multiple websites on someone else's comments. That is what the name & tagline are for- contacting others & seo.

5:15pm • #154

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