Apple and McDonalds Taught Me How to Succeed in Real Estate

My first job ever was at McDonalds Restaurant when I was a freshman in high school. I specialized in the drive-thru. I was the blaring voice who asked if I can take your order while you stared at a bright menu board outside. I enjoyed my years at Mcdonalds because I was able to make people happy each day with little effort. All I had to do was get the order right and avoid handing out cold french fries. If life was that simple, we'd all be less stressed. 

My last job (before entering real estate), was as a Global Project Manager at Apple Computer. I started at Apple in Technical Support, where we got to listen to angry customers all day while solving their technical issues. I was thinking about how I do business today and realized that everything I learned about customer service came from these two companies. I had a sales job at NordicTrack between the two, but Apple and McDonalds taught me how to help and keep clients. You can tell by their success that they're doing many things right.

MCDONALDS TAUGHT ME THE BASICS


mcdonaldsSystems are the key to sanity. McDonalds was one of the first franchises. Their processes are timed to the second. If your cashier at McDonalds is doing their job correctly, they should take the order, start the drink, get fries, bag the sandwich, take the apple pie, get the drink while walking back to the cash register, and then hand over your meal. Total time should be 90 seconds to 2 minutes max. Every agent needs systems for marketing, lead generation, and handling clients. The good thing is that we don’t have to do it on our own. We can learn systems by tapping into CRS, GRI, Star Power, iSucceed, ActiveRain, and hiring a coach.

 The customer is always right. Everyone is always right in their own minds. Communication is a two-way street and what we say won’t exactly match what the other person expects. We’re all different. If you say something in a way that makes sense to you, it has a good probability of still not being interpreted by the other person in the exact same way. Understanding and interpretation are based on your culture, education level, life experiences, and language skills. When communicating, keep in mind that the other person is always right since none of us read minds.

Do you want fries with that? Add-ons add up. The little extras and incentives can often make or break a deal, but they make the deal even sweeter. Flexible terms, seller-paid closing costs, and home warranties make buyers feel like winners.

APPLE TAUGHT ME HOW TO WIN FRIENDS AND INFLUENCE PEOPLE

appleAvoid being too technical. Jargon is a relationship killer, especially in the beginning. Don't dumb down what you say, but target your explanations to your audience (the buyer or seller). Ask probing questions to find out how much the client knows about solving their own problem, then fill in the blanks. Reflect the level of terminology and know-how that the client displays.

Questions, Questions, Questions. Similar to the real estate mantra "location, location, location". If you want to fix something and make someone happy, ask good questions. The client should talk more than you do. If you're busy talking, you aren't listening. Learn how to ask good, open-ended questions such as "how can we help you feel comfortable with this?" or "what information would you need in order to make a good decision?"

Avoid the hot buttons. "No", "I can't", "I don't know", "problem". These key phrases push people over the edge. Semantics can be the difference between a fight and a love-fest. "How can we help you today?" versus "What's the problem?" can evoke very different responses from the client.

Listen First, Ask Later. The best way to gain a true advocate is to help someone when they hate you. The key to good technical support was the shut up and listen, especially when the customer was angry. Rants are a great way to let someone vent while they calm down because you can't solve problems when people are emotional. If you simply let them yell, they will calm down at some point.

angryLet them be angry, then solve their problem. This is used with the preceding technique. People become angry when they perceive a problem they can't easily solve. The key to good service is to find out why someone is angry, not why they are taking it out on you. When they stop ranting, use the awkward pause technique. Don't say anything else until they stop and ask, "Are you listening?". At that point, they're asking you to respond. If they interrupt, keep listening. Once they're done interrupting, use another awkward pause, then ask nicely and calmly "would you like me to help solve this issue for you?". Focus on the problem, not the person.

Find a way to say YES. It’s called win-win negotiating and problem solving. In technical support and customer service, we avoid telling someone we can't do something. In real estate, be creative and try to identify ways to make the deal work. Most sfishellers and buyers want to feel like winners, even if they've only won a small fight.

Set their satisfaction in stone. Have I answered all of your questions today? This is called the final resolution. You're making sure you've answered all of the client's questions and that there are no lingering issues that need to be fixed. It's also part of gaining agreement that you've done a great job.

Assume positive intent. FISH! Is a set of practices for positive workplace interaction. We did their program at Apple. One of the first principles is that, when we are upset or hurt by someone else, some of us naturally assume the worst. If you change this mindset and instead assume that the "perpetrator" is a good person and did not intend to hurt you, you will automatically approach the problem in a much more productive fashion. For instance, you make a counteroffer and don't hear back, but later learn that the property is under contract. Approach the situation with open arms rather than a closed fist. Find out whether they received your offer, why they did not respond, and what you could have done differently to have your offer accepted. Worst case scenario, they are evil and spiteful people, but this is often not the case.

So there you have it! The keys to great customer service can be remembered as you chomp into your Big Mac, sip your strawberry shake, and listen to your favorite music on your Apple iPod.

 

36 Comments on Apple and McDonalds Taught Me How to Succeed in Real Estate

Good Post Dee, I enjoyed reading it.  I've been wondering where you were haven't seen you around lately.  Thanks for the tips.

 

02/07/2007 09:41 AM by Ava Lugg "Selling Real Estate in Snellville, Grayson and Loganville" (Bridgewell Realty Inc.)


Love that people pick things up where they are at to become better. This is an awesome post! Thanks for sharing...

I especially like McD and its systems!

02/07/2007 11:35 AM by Loreena Yeo - Realtor/Broker proudly serving Frisco TX Real Estate (3:16 team REALTY)


Good post Dee, 

I learned a lot managing Dominos Pizza stores for 4 years in my 20s'. Doesn't seem like a real estate training ground at first blush, but the focus on customer service and hustle really got drilled into me.

Steve

02/07/2007 01:13 PM by Steve Crossland - Austin TX Real Estate (Crossland Team at Keller Williams Realty)


Dee,

It would be interesting to see how many successful agents have fast-food service backgrounds.  There is definately an advantage in learning how to satisfy customers of all kinds!

Thanks for the post.

Lucky :)

02/07/2007 01:14 PM by Lucky Lang, Davenport, Iowa Real Estate (Mel Foster Company)


i love stories like this one...great post and thanks

02/07/2007 01:16 PM by Dave Sulvetta - Camden County NJ Realtor (Century 21 Hearst)


Good stuff, Dee.

If you figure out how to supersize commissions, please send me an email.

02/07/2007 01:16 PM by Gregory Anderson (United Country)


Great post, I love what I do working with such an array of people and yes fast food background does help in the patience aspect, everyone has a mission weather it is a big mac, pizza (my fast food experience) or a new home...it is up to us to help lead the way " thick or thin crust?"  I have not said that in awhile  : )

Krisy

 

02/07/2007 01:19 PM by Krisy Clayton (Brio Realty)


Good Article. How often we learn important things by working as we grow up. I started working when I was 13 years old. I threw papers and had to get up at 4:00 am 365 days  a year. I am now 53 and still wake up about 4:00 am  old habits are hard to break. But I learned a lot about customer service. It was a great job!Thanks again for the post!

Rick Irving
United Country Real Estate
Fort Worth, Texas

02/07/2007 01:53 PM by United Country Rick Irving Realty


Excellent post, Dee. We can learn so much from what we're doing, both good and bad. You were lucky to have the opportunity to learn from two great companies.

Is the weather in Austin any warmer now? It was frigid (to this Floridian, anyway) when I was there in January. I'll be back in Austin to teach a CLHMS class the end of May - hopefully I'll be able to enjoy more of the surroundings then when the weather is good. 

02/07/2007 02:34 PM by Sharon Simms St Pete Florida CRS CIPS CLHMS (RE/MAX Metro)


Ava: I've been responding to others via comments, but I post daily on my #1 blog, which is TexasRealtyBlog.com. I joined ActiveRain recently and have been excited to write longer articles. I try to post blogs here as often as I can, but just can't post as many articles here as on TexasRealtyBlog since I am growing the team right now.

Rick, Krisy, Steve, etc: Fast food power!

Greg: They secret to supersized commissions is supersized service. :-) 

02/07/2007 02:34 PM by Dee Copeland, Principal Broker (Copeland Group Realty)


Excellent word pictures, thanks

02/07/2007 02:36 PM by missy caulk


This is such a great post - I'm going to print it.

Thank you

02/07/2007 02:57 PM by MaryAnn Morrar ~ La Jolla (Coldwell Banker)


great post and very true!  those are great words of wisdom for new agents-you might want to add this post to the Rookies group.  i waited tables for years-and something about the restaurant business in general teaches you everything you need to know! =)

02/07/2007 02:57 PM by Leigh Brown Charlotte NC Broker/Owner (RE/MAX Signature Properties)


Great post, Dee!  My first job was as a waitress in a small cafe and I quickly learned "the customer is always right" rule.  It helps if you just smile, nod, and then lock yourself in the walk-in cooler for a good rant.  Oh, and don't forget to collect your tip afterward!  Sometimes I find myself searching for the nearest walk-in... 

02/07/2007 03:08 PM by Marisa Ladd: Austin, TX Real Estate (The Samford Group)


We have two ears and one mouth...the saying goes. We should listen twice as much as we talk.

Excellent post.

02/07/2007 03:59 PM by M & T Bank


I'm Lovin' it!  Seems that what should be our simplest goal - a pleased customer/client, is the one we have to be reminded to pursue.  I have to admit, one of my best word of mouth referral sources was one of the hardest people I've had to deal with.  It was customer service that won him over.

02/07/2007 04:23 PM by Terry Schallert (Mortgage Advice)


Dee this was SUPERBLY done!  Congratulations for being featured also.  Our background experiences certainly mold us with mindsets that we carry onto where we are in our next phraze.  Thanks for sharing - i appreciate this contribution!

02/07/2007 04:27 PM by Rice Property Management & Realty, LLC


I enjoyed your post very much.  It was most creative of you to take this approach. 

02/07/2007 05:34 PM by


Very well written and very well put.  This is a fantaxtic blog and the way you tie in what you did and what you do is actually inspiring thoughts of my past jobs and how it has made me successful in this venture.  If I'm buying a home in Texas, you are my girl Dee.  Great job!

02/07/2007 06:31 PM by Jason Sardi, Pennsylvania Mortgage Broker (First Choice Equity Group Inc.)


Interesting and informative info. Who would have thought that working in a fast food restaurant would be grounds for real estate training? I certainly never would have. But after you explain everything it makes a lot of sense. Good work.

02/07/2007 06:35 PM by LEI Financial


Dee - great post. I really enjoyed it - terrific thoughts to keep in mind always.

Jeff

02/07/2007 07:46 PM by Jeff Dowler ~ Carlsbad Real Estate (RE/MAX Associates)


Love Fish too and your experience will pay off and do you proud!!

02/07/2007 07:52 PM by Teri Isner GRI, CRS, CIPS (Keller Williams Celebration)


Congrats on the gold star.  I worked for McDonalds though and all I learned is that they have a revolving door on employees and hard floors that will eventually produce heel spurs.  But I did learn that they wanted quality control and consistancy on their product.  I know your post is about how these two companies listen to the consumers and solved problems and gained market share.  (Too bad the one I worked at 15 years ago didn't care about their employees very much.

02/07/2007 07:56 PM by Cynthia Sloop, Realtor Indianapolis Real Estate (Carpenter Realtors (Lic. in Referral))


One thing I have found very interesting about people who are in real estate is that they have a "secret past life."  What is equally as intersting is that we can all bring some things from our secret past lives to our present real estate careers. 

02/07/2007 10:34 PM by Joan Whitebook, ABR, e-Pro, CEBA (Buyer's Option Realty Services)


Dee this is a great post and brings us back to the basics.  I liked so many things you said that I can't comment on all of them in this post.  Skills you learn in those types of jobs are definitely transferable.  I work with so many different personalities in my full-time job and it has given me SO much experience!  Just like you said:  the customer is always right and honestly if they feel a certain way all you can do is listen and try to solve the problem because telling them how wrong they are or how they should feel is a big no,no.  Such great information, thank you!

02/08/2007 12:09 AM by Colorado Springs Realty Patricia Beck (Prudential Professional Realtors, GRI)


Dee it was such a pleasure reading this post, and you are so right we can acquire useful skills from each experience we have.  A alot of the skills I acquired from telecom I now apply to real estate, but working in my dad's office during school break while in junior high was a great start.

02/08/2007 08:18 AM by Jennifer Fivelsdal, Rhinebeck NY (Keller Williams Realty)


Dee,

Thank you for the post.  It's a wonderful analogy.  What a great way to describe the basics of our business.

02/09/2007 05:49 PM by Velda Brown, Countrywide Home Loans


Dee,

It is always a pleasure to read your posts because of both style and content. You always have so much to say and say it so very well.

I have heard some others talk in the same kind of voice that you write, about their Macdonald years while they were high schoolers. Seems like a lot of learning and building of character took place. Do you think the current generation of young workers in the fast food industry are having similar experiences and benefitting in the same way?

 

Eloise Gift http://EloiseGift.com

A Gift for all seasons

02/09/2007 11:27 PM by Eloise Gift, New Mexico Real Estate (Eloise Gift-Keller Williams)


Great post lady..... who says your hourly job can't teach you things??

My first job was cutting lawns when I was 9 years old..... then I had a paper route......

The things we learn.....stick with us!! =-D

 

02/13/2007 03:48 PM by Central Florida real estate - Alexander Harb PSEMĀ®, E-AgentĀ® (Beach and Luxury Realty Inc.)


WOW...reading your post could not have come at a more appropriate time for me. I just had a "yelling" experience last week. It devastated me. I'm slowly coming out of that to realize I need to forgive now no matter how long it might take to forget. Thank you so much. I can't tell what a huge help this has been to me tonight.

02/15/2007 09:24 PM by C. Mark Willix (Maximum Realty Greater Atlanta)


Awesome post!  When I think of McDonalds and Apple --I think systems and creativity.  I was just at the Apple store with my MacBook Pro and one of my goals this year is to use my lap top to its fullest capabilities.  I have been playing with the iWork software and learing a ton of stuff that i can use on brochures and web sites -- Robert Kiyosaki(author of Rich Dad poor Dad) is right -- play and and learn. 

02/15/2007 09:43 PM by Aziz Abdur-Raoof,Howard Co. Real Estate Scoop (RE/MAX Rewards)


Great post, now I know why you are succussful, simple and good system like McDonald & Apple.

 Btw, another corp that I like Starbuck, they use similar strategies like McD do

06/10/2007 04:02 PM by Mike siriboone


I like the silent pause technique of defuseing a potenial hostal situation. I can't wait to use it the next time I'm in that situation.

07/21/2008 12:35 AM by Scott Barr soldbybarr.com (Keller Williams)


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