This post s based on a recent article by Amy Sullivan of www.RealLawCentral.com. If you are a full-time Realtor and haven't thought about this type of housing question, know that it is just a matter of time before you will be faced with having to consider it.  

With only 17 states protecting lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender homebuyers from discrimination, developers and other real estate pros are finding ways to accommodate the population by sprouting “targeted” communities and Realtor “specialty” groups. But is this new way of protecting one class actually discriminating against another? Read on to find out what one developer had to say about his proposed gay community in Boston and how agents should do business when faced with a local Fair Housing battle of wills.

Natalie Holbrook, a 30-year-old Ypsilanti, Mich., woman, and her life partner were recently shown an apartment by a male employee of the property.

“The last man I showed the apartment to was gay,” he said. When the women mentioned they were a couple, he expressed his explicit feelings toward homosexuality.

“Well, two women don’t bother me. It’s two men. I think it’s gross. I have no problem with you girls. I kind of like it. I can get into that,” he said.

This story, which wound up in the Michigan State News, is a glimpse of the discrimination the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) population faces when it comes to something as simple as finding a place to live. 

Gays only?

Some communities have tried to combat the problem by marketing gay-friendly housing to LGBT groups, like the proposed Stonewall at Audubon Circle in Boston, Mass. 

The 60-unit condominium community is planned to provide mainly for the needs of older lesbians and gay men, complete with a dining hall and concierge service.

But does targeting gays border a violation of the Fair Housing Act — a federal law that prohibits discrimination in housing on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, national origin, familial status or disability by housing providers — by leaving out heterosexuals?

“If a developer came and said, ‘I want to build 40 units just for Afro-Americans or blonde-haired, blue-eyed Irish,’ there would be an uproar,” said Michael Carucci, owner of ERA Boston Real Estate Group. “Where does the fine line of discrimination come in? Maybe I want to move there. It’s right around the corner from work, but I’m married with three children.” 

But is this any different than senior communities that only allow those over the age of 55 to reside? 

“A senior community is geared toward impairments,” Carucci said. “It’s assisted housing built on an aging issue — not a religious issue, not a racial issue. I think that a gay community pushes the envelope on discrimination.”

“It’s just dangerous putting any kind of label on a community,” Corucci said. “I think (projects like this) are going to put agents in precarious situations. Is this any different than red lining?” 

Red lining is the act of steering a class of people to a specific neighborhood with the same class or group (e.g.: a black family to a predominately black neighborhood, a low-income family to a low-income neighborhood, a gay couple to a gay neighborhood). 

According to Bryan Greene, deputy assistant secretary for enforcement and programs at the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, the federal Fair Housing Act does not consider sexual orientation a protected class so gay housing wouldn't be affected by the rule.

However, many states, including Iowa and Connecticut, have issued their own protected classes under a state Fair Housing bill.

"Therefore, it’s always important to check, not only federal law but also state and local law as well," Greene said.

If sexual orientation is a class protected by the state or local Fair Housing Act, it would be illegal for an agent to point a gay couple toward a target community if they did not request it. The agent is also not allowed to dissuade a heterosexual couple from looking at a home in a predominately gay area. 

According to Levin, there are legitimate ways to inform clients of the neighborhood demographics without crossing the line of Fair Housing legality.

“Instead of labeling it a gay community,” she said, “you could say, ‘This is a lovely community. The last four or five homes I’ve sold have been to gay couples,’ or ‘The majority of people buying homes here are gay.’”

As for marketing, Corucci believes it’s OK for agents to advertise as a gay community expert or an agent that exclusively sells properties in gay communities.

“If a developer is putting a stamp on the community, I would have to assume that all the marketing would be angled toward the gay community,” he said. “It’s not an ethical or legal violation. It’s target marketing.”

Agents marketing their connection to gay communities, however, must be sure to avoid using words that indicate the community is exclusive to the gay population. 

Even if agents aren’t attached to a specific gay community, they can still target the market. 

GayRealEstate.com, of parent company Hammerberg and Associates Inc, offers Realtors an opportunity to sign up as a “gay-friendly agent” — without having to be homosexual. The agent is then shipped leads of gay individuals wanting to work with a real estate professional acceptable of their LGBT lifestyle.

“(As gay men and lesbians), we’ve spent our whole lives fighting discrimination,” he told In Newsweekly. “We have no interest in discriminating now.”

Should there be "gay only" communities? 

 

41 Comments on Do gay communities violate Fair Housing?

Dave great article on an interesting subject. You've really got me thinking. Several of your points I had not considered. I'll be back to read the comments that develop.

02/07/2007 07:22 PM by Mark Flanders (Olympic Northwest Mortgage)


The elderly or "older" folks are a special protected class because of physical needs and are not really a part of the discussion, IMO. 

Interesting question and I don't have an answer.  My first thought is that the gay and lesbian community could welcome a building that invites them to live in that building.  TOTOH, they may not because, do gay and lesbian home buyers or tenants have special housing needs.  I don't believe so.  If gay and lesbian purchasers or tenants welcome this community, it could be because they have not been openly welcomed in other communities. 

But, then, the entire project appears to be a sort of "ghettoizing" a group of folks that shouldn't have to be ghettoized to be in a welcoming community.  But, then, neither should any other groups that have been openly unwelcome. 

Lenn

02/07/2007 07:38 PM by Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Real Estate


A friend of mine gave me a copy of a book on co-housing.  It is very interesting.  I think if you confer with legal counsel, there may be a way to get a group of people together -- and come up with a way to purchase and convey interests without violating fair housing.   I think there may be some models on the West coast -- Do any of our west coast rainers have any information on these types of legal communities?

02/07/2007 07:52 PM by Joan Whitebook, ABR, e-Pro, CEBA (Buyer's Option Realty Services)


Great post. Its going to be a tight rope walking act for agents, that's for sure. -Charles

02/07/2007 08:08 PM by Jacqulyn Richey - Las Vegas Real Estate (Prudential)


Okay, here's a monkeywrench. The is a GBLT resort community in Santa Fe aimed at the "Gay and Gray".

http://rainbowvisionprop.com  One of the things to point out in the discussion is that these communities do not exclude heterosexuals. One heterosexual resident at Rainbow Vison was quaoted as saying that she chose to live there because she couldn't stand the other retirement resorts she looked at.because they were just for old people.

Once again, we can change the whole discussion by thinking in an INCLUSIVE rather than EXCLUSIVE way. HMMM, maybe that's why I've never done well with the luxery market---all that Exlusive marketing ......  

02/07/2007 08:38 PM by Deb Hurt, ABR, e-Pro, EcoBroker, TRC (Exit Realty of Albuquerque)


Dave - a little off the point, but redlining is not the same as steering.  Redlining is when lenders decide not to lend on properties in a particular geographic area or neighborhood. 

These communities being discussed are actually senior developments, targeted towards gay seniors, though all are welcome.  Many elder gays are not out to their families, and may not have children or close relatives to care for them.  Why not a residential situation where they can age in place in their own home with no worries about their sexual orientation?  This is a way to avoid nursing homes where they may end up completely back in the closet.

Similar communities are in process in Florida and the Palm Springs area. (I believe the Palm Springs community may be open already, though I'm not sure).

It's a shame that there is a need for such communities - but the sad truth is that they are needed.  There is much discrimination in this world, and elder gays deserve to live their life in peace just like everybody else. 

02/07/2007 08:40 PM by Don Fabrizio-Garcia - Connecticut Real Estate & Appraisals (Keller Williams CT Realty)


how would this effect a REALTOR who chose not to work with a client because of their sexual orientation?  How about any other orientation, if I did not want to work with a Muslim?  would that open me up to liabilities?

Now Have a Blessed Day,

John Occhi, Hemet CA REALTOR
http://www.johnocchi.com/

02/07/2007 09:14 PM by John Occhi Hemet CA Real Estate (Century 21 Crest - Crest REO)


OK. I read your post a couple times and I think I may have missed something. This is my thought...

Heterosexuality is not a protected class, any more than Homosexuality is (in most states). So long as the communities do not discriminate against any of the protected classes, then I do not see a problem.

02/07/2007 09:36 PM by Mariana Wagner ~ Colorado Springs REALTORĀ® (Wagner iTeam -Keller Williams Clients' Choice)


I think our society is way too "label-oriented".  Oddly enough, I discussed this at length with a gay friend of mine.  The way I see it, you are either a tax-paying, law abiding, recycling earth-friendly, do-the-right-thing person, or you are not a friend of mine.  I don't care what you do in bed, or in church, but you have to be a good person and care for each other and the earth.  Everything else is bullshit.

02/07/2007 09:43 PM by Kelley Eling (Marin & So. Sonoma Real Estate) (Pacific Union Real Estate)


I have to agree with Kelley.It is a tricky subject. One one side if a gay couple wants to buy within a non labelled gay community ..they might raise some eye brows if they conduct as heterosexual couples in public. On the other side we all know that we cannot discriminate.We all learned this from our classes before we passed our license. Some of us don't care one way or the other.Kelley said it best.Who cares about their preferences as long as they are good citizens.

02/07/2007 10:10 PM by LLoyd Nichols~SW Florida Homes (Right Choice Realty LLC)


Dave, 

"Should there be "gay only" communities?" 

The big picture answer to this is that there already are, and have been for many years. Think West Village, NYC - Castro, San Francisco - Capitol Hill, Seattle. Most members of these communities just want a safe place to live, work, and create families (radical notions, eh?). Most also have a "live and let live" attitude, and aren't interested barring people from living in their neighborhoods because of who those people love. What's more (and to echo an earlier response), real estate professionals would only be stepping out of bounds if they steered clients towards or away from these neighborhoods.

That said, I agree with other respondents who've said this doesn't seem to be an sexuality issue so much as an age issue. If the retirement community you mentioned doesn't discriminate on orientation, though it actively markets to the GLBT community, there's no beef - no laws are being broken.

John -

"How would this effect a REALTOR who chose not to work with a client because of their sexual orientation?  How about any other orientation, if I did not want to work with a Muslim?  would that open me up to liabilities?"

I sincerely hope I've somehow misunderstood or misinterpreted what you're trying to say here. The answer is - you don't have to work with anyone you don't want to, John. But if you're implying that you'd snub a potential client simply because they were gay or Muslim, I think you've got a lot bigger issues than "liability."

02/07/2007 10:33 PM by Asdf Jkll (Asdf)


My comment is towards the discussion between Jay and John, specifically to John.  I do choose who I work with and who I don't work with.  Within every group, be it antarcticans, f22 stealth fighter pilots or great white shark wranglers there are folks I would work with and possibly folks I wouldn't work with.  I don't recommend singling out a group(s) and not working with anybody in that group....

02/07/2007 11:00 PM by Kaushik Sirkar (Call Realty, Inc.)


In my opinion, no, gays do not get to have their own community unless we all get to.  I just got slapped upside the head for marketing to families.  As I wrote in my own posts earlier, someone who isn't in a family can feel discriminated by me for saying I focus on families..  So if families can't be singled out in advertisting and be in their own protected community, and Catholics and Polish and nose pickers, than neither can gays.  I don't even really agree with the 55+ communities except that they all do deserve to retire and should get cheaper housing because of it. 

Wow, I had no idea I felt that way.  Thanks for posting this. 

02/08/2007 12:17 AM by Elena Thurston, Family Real Estate Specialist (Keller Williams Legacy One)


Michael Carucci, owner of ERA Boston Real Estate Group's said:

It's just dangerous putting any kind of label on a community," Corucci said. "I think (projects like this) are going to put agents in precarious situations. Is this any different than red lining?" 

Red lining is the act of steering a class of people to a specific neighborhood with the same class or group (e.g.: a black family to a predominately black neighborhood, a low-income family to a low-income neighborhood, a gay couple to a gay neighborhood). 

Sounds like Michael Corucci needs some continuing education courses so he can learn what red lining is. Redlining is the refusal of lending institutions to make loans in a location populated by minorities. Banks are marketing to gays not redlining.

Michael Carucci should put his money where his mouth is and make an offer on a unit at Stonewall at Audubon Circle and move in with his wife and three kids.

As long as they are willing to sell units to heterosexuals or anyone, I don't see any discrimination. If it is a retirement community many elder gays want to be in a community with other gay people.

02/08/2007 01:12 AM by Mitchell Hall, Associate Broker, New York, NY (Coldwell Banker Previews International)


I agree with Jay. We have the right to work with whom we choose.  I have chosen not to work with a couple of people simply because they were unrealistic in their expectation of what my job description includes.  Ultimately, I think listening to our clients needs is key.  So, working with a client to find them homes that provide a comfortable lifestyle is just an important as making sure they get 3 bedrooms, 3 baths and a 2 car garage.  It's a matter of meeting needs.  For example, there are people who don't want to live where there are young families with lots of children.  Is that discriminatory on their part, or do they just want "the quiet enjoyment" of their homes?  Human nature seems to lean toward wanting to live around people who enjoy similar lifestyles.  Too bad we're living in such a litigious time. 

02/08/2007 01:24 AM by Laguna Homes|Laguna Condos| Laguna Real Estate|Marlene Bridges (Sherman Smith & Associates)


Dave  Thanks for bringing this story to AR. 

Kelley  Labels can exist without disrupting harmony among communities and without discrimination.  They're important because racial, religious, ethnic, socio-economic status is sometimes a very important part of our makeup.  It's what makes us unique and individuals.  I'd never want a Jew to give-up his traditions just for the sake of not applying a label or ask a Mexican-American to give up his Hispanic heritage. 

To All  Keep in mind we're talking about an unprotected class of citizens.  Sexual orientation is not a federally protected class.  Until it is, that community is not seen as "created equally."  Why is it wrong for this group - which has distinct special needs - to advocate and promote from within for their rights?

I have two perspectives on the surface:  1.  As a gay male, there are times when one can feel discriminated against and unsafe.  I will ask the questions that I need answered and if I'm working with a professional in this industry, I expect appropriate answers.  2.  As a Realtor, even if I know a customer is gay (for example), I will not address that issue until the customer brings it up and expresses a need.

02/08/2007 02:15 AM by Anthony Clark (AMA Real Estate Group, Inc.)


Anthony

Great points. I would not be surprised if being gay becomes a federally protected class within the next 10 years. 

02/08/2007 05:19 AM by Dave Rosenmarkle (Highland Realty)


I never heard of such a thing until now. Pretty soon, we'll have exclusive places for everything.....I think it is a little strange. But hey, to each his own.

02/08/2007 10:42 AM by Christy Powers - Pooler, Savannah Real Estate Agent (Keller Williams Coastal Area Partners)


Dave,

We can only hope.

02/08/2007 10:56 AM by Asdf Jkll (Asdf)


In 1415 Venice, due to mass persecution of the Jewish population, the Prince of Venice issued an edict that all the Jews in his princedom should move to a particular area of town.  He ordered the construction of a wall around it and posted security.  Because it was near the city Foundry, it was dubbed "Il Ghetto"... this practice spread throughout Europe but quickly became a scene of seclusion not security. In Prague, the Jewish community ran out of space in its cemetery but the Prince would not grant them any more space.  Today there are over 10,000 tombstones in slightly more than 1 acre of land.  The Jewish elders had to truck in dirt and lay 6' more dirt on top of old graves and lift up old tombstones.

By the 1900s, race sciences and antisemitism made it almost imperative to have such separation just because the pogroms (mass beatings/killings/rapings) were so frequent.  After the rise of Hitler and his march through Europe, the Ghettos made it very easy for Hitler to isolate and round up the Jewish populations to send them to concentration camps.

To this day, a Ghetto is a place that is seen as predominantly made up of lower income, and typically african american individuals.

To create a new "Ghetto" for any other class is wrong and most people in that group would likely take issue with it.  Sure - they might like to buy in the same areas to be able to have a sense of community... but to publicly sanction it is just like creating a new "Ghetto"...  freedom of choice has to be made available. 

I remember not 25 yrs ago people getting harassed by the KKK.  I remember skinheads trying to move into my town.  I also know that there are areas that some groups prefer due to proximity to certain amenities.... i.e. houses of worship...

but it is redlining to form a Gay Town... protected or not... you don't want to find out that a judge will create precedent!

And about "Choosing to/not to work with someone"... we're mostly all independent contractors.... we can do what we please.  But if a bias is proven, then we're going to have problems...

02/08/2007 01:58 PM by Boca Raton Florida & Boynton Beach Florida Mortgage Loans


 

Interesting article.  I don't think we;ll have to worry about gay people being a Federally Protected Class.

Patricia Aulson/SEACOAST REALTOR,NH<ME < & MA

URL:  www.patricia4realestate.com

02/08/2007 02:06 PM by Patricia Aulson (PRUDENTIAL RUSH REALTY)


Well, Patricia, why are you so worried about "gay people" being given protection and equal rights?

02/08/2007 03:13 PM by Don Fabrizio-Garcia - Connecticut Real Estate & Appraisals (Keller Williams CT Realty)


Dave & Patricia  I think we're close to seeing that become a reality.

David  Although I appreciate your point, you're talking apples and oranges.  Jews being forced to live in an area and basically held captive is not the same as a demographic choosing to live in a community because the individuals have shared needs. 

02/08/2007 03:52 PM by Anthony Clark (AMA Real Estate Group, Inc.)


No there should not be gay only communities just as there should not be white only, black only or anything else only. There are way to many classes all ready. Discrimination is alive and well but there must be better ways to handle it than creating more division.

02/08/2007 08:49 PM by Bryant Tutas-Tutas Towne Realty, Inc


Anthony... it started out as a matter of convenience.  the communities were always centered around the synagogues the way European cities were centered by the cathedrals.  Jews needed their own kosher foods, religious schools, special tailors for religious garments etc etc etc... it WAS the same and then it changed.

The more we separate people the less we have to accept differences in each other.

it isn't apples and oranges... there were many homosexuals rounded up and exterminated in the same concentration camps.  They were singled out and moved into gay only areas and forced to wear Pink Triangles similar to the Jewish Yellow Stars.

People want to differentiate persecution and there is no sense.  Persecution, discrimination, being divisive in anyway is the same problem just a different group of people.

02/08/2007 09:57 PM by Boca Raton Florida & Boynton Beach Florida Mortgage Loans


I find this situation is coming up more and more and my answer is always the same.  I will show you any home in New Jersey that you would care to see.  We will look until we find that home of your dreams.  I say no more than that.  We then start searching the MLS for homes for them to choose to see.

02/08/2007 10:01 PM by linda lyczak


Linda,

I agree.  I know that the North Halsted area in Chicago is also called "BoyTown".  I know some straight people that lived in the general neighborhood and that neighborhoods in that area overlap a lot...

Your clients will know where they want to be and point you in the right direction - you just have to identify the property in the neighborhoods they prefer.

02/09/2007 09:45 AM by Boca Raton Florida & Boynton Beach Florida Mortgage Loans


Anthony,

I'm not so sure I agree with you about gay people becoming a federally protected class in the near future. The President of the United States of America advocates changing the constitution in order to discriminate against that same class of people. Many states have voted to discriminate against that same class of people.

Of course I live and work in NYC so despite recent state ballot initiatives elsewhere and federal court decisions diminishing the impact of civil rights legislation and 50 years of precedent NYC continues to be protected by the strongest civil rights law in the country.

We currently have 14 protected classes. The most recent "occupation" so no more discrimination against REALTORS®

02/09/2007 01:42 PM by Mitchell Hall, Associate Broker, New York, NY (Coldwell Banker Previews International)


David  Spew all the historical facts you'd like, but what remains is that the US society of 2007 is not comparable to a Hitler state or that of Italy's medieval Christian state.  You're missing the point, as are many, that communities like the one mentioned in the article are not creating a divide; "outsiders" are just as welcome.  What they're accomplishing is creating an inclusive community for those that can't find it elsewhere.  I keep saying this, but it rings true - it's all about meeting the specific needs of a demographic.

02/13/2007 07:06 PM by Anthony Clark (AMA Real Estate Group, Inc.)


This is a very interesting thread of conversation. Realtors always have to be careful about steering. On the other hand, many gay and lesbian people are concerned about moving into areas where they will be made to feel uncomfortable, or, even worse, become victims of hate crimes. My partner and I, who have been together over 35 years, have been pretty lucky with neighbors. We've never experienced any overt hostility in Chicago, or the suburbs in which we have lived. I will say, however, that I would not be comfortable in moving to any of the states that have actively moved to ban gay marriage. People don't understand that, when, like Wisconsin, they ban ANY type of recognition for any partnership, they are telling people that they have no way to protect themselves against discrimination. We own property in Wisconsin, and, even though it is in a beautiful area, I will be glad when I no longer own it. Wisconsin has made me feel unwanted. I think I digressed, but I'm in agreement with the people who said essentially that it is up to the clients to decide where they want to live. I will then show homes in the area the client wants. That way there is no appearance of steering.

03/17/2007 03:12 PM by Rich Quigley CRS, GRI, ABR, SRES (Baird & Warner)


This is such a delicate issue as many people (especially in the religious right) consider homosexuality to be a self described "community" based on deviant behavior, which is not the same as somebody being discriminated based on race or gender. On the other side of the issue, the gay community advocates that this "behavior" is not by choice but by an innate preference that is built it. Who is to say which side of this argument is right. What if there was a community or condo development designed just for "swingers" or "nudists". I as a buyer would want to know ahead of time that there is an alternative lifestyle theme to a propery I am buying so that I can make an informed decision as to whether or not I want to be a part of that. Is that discrimination?

03/28/2007 02:01 PM by Ralph Nudi (Weichert, RealtorsĀ® - Unum Properties)


Discrimination is refusing housing to people based upon what they are or what they are perceived to be, by race, national origin, etc, as we learned in prelicensing class. In some states, such as Illinois, it is illegal to refuse housing to anyone based upon sexual orientation, so it would work the same way whether we discriminated against gay people or straight people. As Realtors are jobs are to provide housing to people. If I'm remembering my fair housing classes correctly, then the only apparent exception to the general rule of fair housing is in designated over 55 (aka active adult) communties. I've talked to some of the sales people in what are advertised as gay retirement communities. Although they advertise as gay, they do not (and I believe can not) refuse to sell or rent to heterosexual people. I'm thinking that the answer to the original question about gay communities being a violation of fair housing the answer would be yes, they are, if they do not allow non-gay people to live there. It would be equally discriminatory to advertise Christians only, adults only (with the exception noted), or heterosexuals only.

03/28/2007 03:23 PM by Rich Quigley CRS, GRI, ABR, SRES (Baird & Warner)


As far as the federal government is concerned, sexual orientation is not a protected class. Therefore I suppose in most parts of the country heterosexuals could be excluded from a home or community. Where it could be tricky is if the heterosexual couple had children, I guess you would have to prove that everyone else living was gay. There are some counties and cities that have anti-discrimination laws on the books so there you cannot discriminate. Not sure if there are any state laws any where that address this issue or not. Florida definitely DOES NOT, and shame on them. You can be fired for being gay, and if it were easier to tell who was or wasn't gay, i have no doubt that there is a section of the population that would put "straights only" on restroom doors and drinking fountains. And that is sadly true. There was a comment above that mentioned Muslims and refusing to work with them ( and it could have been due to the fact that they were not qualified buyers or were beligerent, etc. However, I think you could be leaving yourself open for legal problems unless you have an iron-clad reason for not working with them. Suppose they happened to be one of the sting couples our state sends out from time to time to test our agents in Florida?? I would tread lightly on that one. Sexual orientation is not a protected class. Regligion IS!

06/09/2007 09:16 PM by John Elwell (CENTURY 21 Bill Nye Realty, Inc)


Excellent comments, John. In Illinois, where I am licensed, sexual orientation is a protected class. To me, one of the most interesting advantages of real estate is working with a wide variety of people, so I am in agreement with some of the other comments that mention "labels". If you limit yourself by your label, you are robbing yourself of the opportunity to learn about other people, not to mention, potentially limiting your income. I read lots of the blogs on Active Rain and often wonder, for instance, about the Realtors who are self identified "Christian" Realtors. Does that not put off people who do not practice a Christian religion or practice no religion at all? Whether intentional or not, it appears discriminatory to identify as a Christian Realtor, and, I believe, violates fair housing laws. Similarly, it would not be appropriate to identify as a gay or lesbian Realtor.

06/11/2007 12:10 PM by Rich Quigley CRS, GRI, ABR, SRES (Baird & Warner)


I have to disagree with the last post.  Describing oneself as "whatever" is just that, describing oneself.  IMO no different than stating the hardest working, #1, waterfront specialist, etc.  My opinion is not the law, however, I believe that there has been too much legislation.  I am single and don't want to be around a bunch of kids yet I can't specify that when I am looking for a place to live let alone when I go out todinner or even to a bar anymore.  Enough with the legislation. Let people find there own comfort zone and if it makes others uncomfortable allow them to establish a place where they are comfotable.

02/04/2008 11:18 PM by The Best Spot Realty/Norris Lake Real Estate/Ooltewah Real E


It cuts both ways.  Gays are often discriminated against, and in most states there is no protection.  It's even true that hate crimes against gays are punished with less severity than hate crimes against, let's say women, for example.

Fair Housing absolutely does not protect sexual orientation.  I have clients who are wanting to sell their properties only to gay people.  And I'm going to do it.  (I suspect it will make the local headlines, which is some free advertising, too!) 

It's too bad there are some narrow-minded people that think straight people should get special rights, but gays should not get any.  For example, you could have two people doing exactly the same job at the same company, with the same experience and job performance.  One of them gets health benefits for 5 people, the other for one.  That is a "special" right, and nobody can convince me otherwise.

I really do appreciate the nature of this article, though.  I feel like you're making some great points and strides toward just treating people like people. Thanks for the post! 

03/22/2008 09:57 AM by Tony Fantis, Realtor , ABR, Associate Broker - Salt Lake City (RE/MAX Associates - Fantis Group)


The Carucci family is beyond badass yo. Jealous?

04/16/2008 09:02 PM by I dont feel like writing my name hereee.


Anthony said: "I have two perspectives on the surface:  1.  As a gay male, there are times when one can feel discriminated against and unsafe.  I will ask the questions that I need answered and if I'm working with a professional in this industry, I expect appropriate answers.  2.  As a Realtor, even if I know a customer is gay (for example), I will not address that issue until the customer brings it up and expresses a need."

I have to agree with you Anthony.  To me, because the law is still unclear on this (and as a comparatively inexperienced REALTOR®) , I'd rather stay on the side of caution. 

Already, I've had clients ask me questions that required me to answer with caution and integrity; one was "is this a good neighborhood" and the other was "is this a gay neighborhood". 

In both cases, I talked to the client and asked question to determined their needs and wants rather than answering the question with a questionable (and possibly illegal) yes or no. 

Customer #1 wanted a low crime neigborhood with well-kept lawns and a park nearby.

Customer #2 is gay and prefers to be in a predominantly gay area.

Once I know the client's needs, I can move forward with a property search that never involves steering.

     

05/30/2008 09:36 PM by Carl Covington (Keller Williams Professionals)


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