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It Is Not Wise To Mix And Match Smoke Detector Ages And Brands

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Home Inspector with Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC 3380-000723

During a home inspection I pointed out to my client the different smoke detectors and said it is not wise to mix and match smoke detector ages and brands.

The house is only 12 years old and I found three different detectors in there.

Clearly there are three different smoke detectors here, and of different ages!

The one on the bottom is the FireX brand that is no longer made.  That is the one that I had in my house, had to replace, and was the subject of a previous post

I replaced mine with the recommended brand which you see here in the center photo.  Perhaps someone had my same experience.

When I called the manufacturer that had taken over the brand I needed to replace, they said that it is best to replace all of them with the same brand.

They suggested that detectors of the same brand are guaranteed to communicate one with another.

Smoke detectors are a wonderful invention.

When they first came out the detector would usually be placed near the bedrooms.  Perhaps only one would be in a house.

Things have changed where they were then placed on every level, and now the codes require that every level and every sleeping area be equipped with one. 

AND THE CODE NOW REQUIRES THAT THEY ARE ALL INTERCONNECTED AND CAN COMMUNICATE ONE WITH ANOTHER.  THAT WAY, IF THE FIRE IS IN THE BASEMENT THE ONES IN THE BEDROOMS WILL SOUND OFF.  AND VICE VERSA.

This is from the National Fire Protection Association: 

NFPA 72-2002 C.1 Directly-connected system smoke detectors, commonly referred to as two-wire detectors, should be listed as being electrically and functionally compatible with the control unit and the specific sub-unit or module to which they are connected.  If the detectors and the units or modules are not compatible, it is possible that, during an alarm condition, the detector's visible indicator will illuminate, but no change of state to the alarm condition will occur at the control unit.  Incompatibility can also prevent proper system operation at extremes of operating voltage, temperature, and other environmental conditions.

Here is why.  If you call them, smoke detector manufacturers will always suggest that their products be installed with detectors within their brand, of similar age and with model numbers that are stated to be compatible one with another.  What the manufacturers are worried about is that each manufacturer's unit voltage and amperage characteristics are slightly different from the others and as such these differences can cause smoke detectors to falsely report, and/or fail to operate in a timely manner, or draw too much power off the loop and keep other smoke detectors from activating.

My recommendation:  if you go to replace a smoke detector, it is probably best to replace all of them.  If the replacement detector is pretty similar in age, and is the same brand, it might be appropriate to replace just the one.  But if your detectors are older, why not go ahead and replace them all?  That way you are sure they are compatible and will communicate with each other.  And you are safe.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Posted by

Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC  

Based in Bristow, serving all of Northern Virginia.

Office (703) 330-6388   Cell (703) 585-7560

www.jaymarinspect.com


Comments (34)

Andrew Payne Realtor® Richmond VA Homes For Sale~804-938-5257~
Piedmont Real Estate - Richmond, VA
Richmond, VA, Real Estate, SRES®, NAR Green

Jay,

This information is very helpful.  It also is important to have smoke detectors communicating with one another.  Thanks for sharing!

Jan 15, 2014 11:47 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

That was answered in this post in December, Fred.  There is a red wire, which electricians call a "traveler," which connects all to each other.

Well, I can't believe it either Jane.  Kidding... I am glad to add to your understanding!

Clint - um, J ... H ... A?  How'd I do?  It appears they missed it!

Pressing the button they should all sound Tom.  If not there is an interruption somewhere and you have a problem.  DO NOT call Congress.  By the way, the test button proves they make a sound, but does not prove they work.

Richie - I have responded right away every time mine have gone off!  You simply cannot sleep through it!

 

Jan 16, 2014 12:49 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

It doesn't matter what brand you choose, so long as they are the same Mike.  See my post in December (linked in my answer to Fred above).

Thank you Kevin!  Good to see you on AR!  I look forward to your posts.  I will subscribe to you.  People here LOVE thermal imaging blogs, so you are the best guy I know for them.  As with most laws, the MD law is very confusing - different years, battery or no batteries, yadda, yadda.  I send my clients to the two smoke detector blogs on my website and I think they, albeit old, do cover the new MD law criteria.  I grew up in Kensington (WJ High School), so I remember MD as being hard to understand...

Andrew - surf and turf are only two of the four biggies - you forgot air and fire.  Oh, and chocolate.

I'm glad Rosie.  Share away.

It's essential Andrew.  Isn't it interesting how much things have changed even in only about 20 years?

Jan 16, 2014 12:57 AM
Suzanne Otto
Six Twenty Designs - Lansdale, PA
Your Montgomery County PA home stager

Having hardwired smoke detectors is a great feature. I like that they can all "communicate" with each other.

Jan 16, 2014 02:02 AM
Shannon Milligan, Richmond VA Real Estate Agent/Associate Broker
RVA Home Team - Richmond, VA
RVA Home Team - Winning with Integrity.

We just bought a new home which had ONE in the entire house. (The seller doesn't have to do a code upgrade here in the Richmond VA area as it is grandfathered in.) My husband and I just went and bought 6 new ones of the same brand. They are not the hardwired kind so can they still "talk" to each other? Now I am wondering if I should be hiring an electrician to hard wire them all in like I had at my last home. (Daughter of a fireman...I don't mess with this stuff)

Jan 16, 2014 02:04 AM
Dwight Puntigan
DRP Realty, LLC - Saint Peters, MO
Dwight Puntigan

Smoke alarms do not need to be hard wired.  They are expensive but work well.  A signal is transmitted one to another.  Smoldering fires were not detected by the old style smoke alarms.

Jan 16, 2014 03:45 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

That communication is the important part Suzanne.  And that they have a battery back up.

Shannon - sounds like you have an older house.  You would have to create an entirely new circuit and run wiring to each level and bedroom to locations that can be interconnected.  That is difficult and expensive.  Why not try the new wireless smoke detectors?  Honeywell, Kidde and First Alert all make them.  A client of mine did that and is happy.  There is, however, VERY LITTLE history to report for these, so the whole story may yet to be told.  But the professional reviews are good.

Dwight - the photoelectric detectors sense smoldering fires.  I treat the different kind of detectors in a blog here:

http://www.jaymarinspect.com/smoke-detectors.html

This wireless is photoelectric:

https://www.security.honeywell.com/hsc/products/intruder-detection-systems/life-safety/wireless-smoke-detector/

Jan 16, 2014 05:25 AM
Frank Iglesias
Working With Houses, LLC - Atlanta Real Estate Investments - Lawrenceville, GA
Atlanta, GA Real Estate Investor

Brilliant post, Jay!  This blog is very useful to everybody. Thank you for sharing such useful information.

Jan 16, 2014 07:05 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Thanks Frank.  Glad you find the information useful!

Jan 16, 2014 08:10 AM
James Downing - Metro DC Houses Team REALTORS®, CRS, GRI, ABR,MRP, MilRes
Real Living | At Home - Washington, DC
When Looking to Buy or Sell - Make the Right Move

Great advice.  I honestly never thought of that - but it makes complete sense - and such a small cost for something that could save a familes life!

Jan 16, 2014 11:59 AM
Catherine Ulrey
Keller Williams Capital City - Salem, OR
Equestrian and Acreage Property Specialist

WOW, I had no idea this would be an issue.  Everyone needs to know about this for their safety.

Jan 16, 2014 12:27 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

James - it is a simple matter and it does make sense.  So why take the risk?

Catherine - so many posts on AR are instructive.  That's a big reason I come here, to learn.

Jan 16, 2014 05:06 PM
Sally K. & David L. Hanson
EXP Realty 414-525-0563 - Brookfield, WI
WI Real Estate Agents - Luxury - Divorce

Minimal expense for a benefit unmatched....!

Jan 16, 2014 06:59 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

So, understanding, it's unmatched when smoke detectors are matched S&D?

Jan 16, 2014 07:04 PM
Tom Arstingstall, General Contractor, Dry Rot, Water Damage Sacramento, El Dorado County - (916) 765-5366
Dry Rot and Water Damage www.tromlerconstruction.com Mobile - 916-765-5366 - Placerville, CA
General Contractor, Dry Rot and Water Damage

This is good to know Jay, I know that I never considered changing them all when one goes bad.

Jan 17, 2014 02:26 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

It really depends on the ages Tom, but generally, if they are too old, you want to do them all at once.

Jan 17, 2014 09:12 AM
Robert Butler
Aspect Inspection - Montreal West Island, QC
Montreal Home Inspector | Aspect Inspection

Even though the code here does not require the same specifications, I agree with the recommendations. Being safer is always the smart way to go, especially at this low cost level.

Jan 19, 2014 03:56 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Hi Robert!  Good to see you!  I am not sure as to the same specifications here as regards the code, but it is smart nonetheless.

Jan 19, 2014 07:03 AM
Inna Ivchenko
Barcode Properties - Encino, CA
Realtor® • GRI • HAFA • PSC Calabasas CA

 According to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA), there were more than 358,500 home fires per year from 2011-2015, so it is quite important to have your smoke alarms functional and as you said: updated.

Oct 25, 2017 12:34 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Yes, Inna.  Updated every 10 years - that is not only the manufacturer recommendations, but now it's the code.

Oct 25, 2017 12:49 PM