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Fiber Cement Siding Job On A Historic Home In Northern Virginia

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Home Inspector with Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC 3380-000723

The client in this inspection only wanted me to look at a fiber cement siding job on a historic home in Northern Virginia.

The house is listed in a national registry of antebellum historic homes, and near a Civil War battlefield.  This homeowner is in the process of trying to bring it back.  And it's a beauty - an old "I" house with an original, oak staircase, newel post and railing that is gorgeous beyond anything you would normally see done today.

An I house is basically a design where you walk in the front door to a room on the left and right, a long hall down the center, and two side-by-side rooms in the rear.  The design is in the shape of an I.  The upstairs is like the downstairs.  Sometimes upstairs the I house has another front door, above the first-floor door, that opens to air!  The upstairs door is there merely for design.

This homeowner had selected James Hardie fiber cement siding and trim because it looks like antebellum clapboard and meets the restoration criteria for these homes.  Fiber cement is a composite product, made from sand, cement and cellulose and is very long lasting.  It does not warp or crack, and is manufactured for different climates and conditions.

The first question I asked him over the phone was whether he had checked to see if the contractor (and installers) were James Hardie certified.  He had not.  He did not know about that.

James Hardie is serious about their products, AND those who install them.  They train and certify those who do, and demand compliance to on

"every James Hardie project installed by a Preferred Remodeler using GuildQuality."

They demand adherence to their stated "Best Practices," shown on their website (click here) which location contains well over 100 pages of how to install their various products in every application imaginable.  If an installer has a question he can merely click on one of the pages and view the diagram.

 

Looking first at an area beside a rounded portico over the front door I noticed an area that was stained with whatever and a seam not installed according to anything James Hardie likes to see.  I counted 15 brads haphazardly shot around that seam, but there may have been more too close to count.

Behind every James Hardie product should go a house wrap.  They recommend, but I am not sure demand, their product, called Hardiwrap.  They want it everywhere.

Dangerously leaving this live electrical box to the weather (it was raining/snowing the day of the inspection - weather happens) I can clearly see that there is no house wrap behind the siding here.

Is house wrap everywhere?  Is it anywhere?

And I don't know how that box will be re-installed.  Maybe glue?  Duct tape?  Am I kidding?

My recommendation:  when you do it, do it right!  And get informed and trained before you do it!  And before hiring a contractor to do whatever it is you want done, do a little research to make sure you are treated with the best.  And calling a home inspector to help is always a Best Practice.

 

Posted by

Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC  

Based in Bristow, serving all of Northern Virginia.

Office (703) 330-6388   Cell (703) 585-7560

www.jaymarinspect.com


Comments(35)

Tom White
Franklin Homes Realty LLC (615) 495-0752 or www.FranklinHomesRealty.com - Franklin, TN
Franklin Homes Realty LLC, Franklin TN

Jay, we live on five acres and have a Cape Cod type house that resembles an old farmhouse. We built it seven years ago and put Hardie Plank on the sides because it was the "look" we desired. Our experience has been outstanding with this product and would highly recommend it...if it is installed properly!

Feb 15, 2014 11:56 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

It hasn't been painted yet Charlie.  The home owner noticed some funny stuff and called me.  The job isn't quite complete.  I wonder what it was to be painted with!

You're probably right Jim.  The siding installation instructions link is dated Sept 13.  But it was available for these guys.  This job is only about 6 weeks old.  Some really recently done too.

That's what it's called here also S&D.  They have different products with different names.

I think it's great stuff Tom.  And made for different climates.  Likely what you have differs from this somewhat.  This stuff meets the local historic-home restoration criteria, and looks good overall.  Even better when done right!

Feb 16, 2014 12:24 AM
Joe Pryor
The Virtual Real Estate Team - Oklahoma City, OK
REALTOR® - Oklahoma Investment Properties

I learned a long timew ago that the cheapest contractor is not really the cheapest contractor when it has to be done again correctly. Also, thank you for introducing me to an I House, I had never heard that term before.

Feb 16, 2014 01:02 AM
Donald Hester
NCW Home Inspections, LLC - Wenatchee, WA
NCW Home Inspections, LLC

Jay, Many of the builders here do not read the installation guide for our zone. So when it is done right people think it is wrong, go figure.

Feb 16, 2014 01:06 AM
Jeffrey Hogue
Jeffrey Hogue Realtor Group - Reading, PA
Real Estate Pro in Pennsylvania Since 1993

You get what you pay for. Why do most Realtors make the same commission? Some are much better, right. Good stuff for a future blog.

Feb 16, 2014 01:07 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Like what Red Adair said, Joe, something like if you think a pro is expensive try hiring an amateur.

Each zone has to be different Don.  And I understand the product is slightly different, with more of this or that.

Jeffrey - Milton Friedman said that about school teachers some time in the 50s and was derided for it!  He said some were over paid and some under paid.  He was right, of course.

Feb 16, 2014 01:13 AM
Rod Pierson
Wilson Realty Inc - Redding, CA
Northern California - An Agent you can trust
Are you referring to the product as Hardi board? Great product for life long project, Like anything else final product is the installation. The product is also fireproof correct? Makes a nice long term product with look alike lap siding. Sounds like the IHouse got an inferior contractor by the photos displayed. Great post and pictures tell a thousand words.
Feb 16, 2014 01:56 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Rod - there are a lot of products - planks, trim, soffits, shingles, panel, wrap - the contractors say "board" as the clapboard it looks like, to refer to it all.  What you are looking at in the photos is Hardiplank.  The photos surely do!

Feb 16, 2014 02:46 AM
Pamela Seley
West Coast Realty Division - Murrieta, CA
Residential Real Estate Agent serving SW RivCo CA

Jay, I always learn from reading your posts. Did not know about the I house or Hardie fiber cement siding. You see a lot of things not done right in your home inspections. 

Feb 16, 2014 03:14 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Thanks Pamela.  I am simply trying to observe and report.  That is what this home owner asked me to do, and I did it!

Feb 16, 2014 03:16 AM
Kevin Ray
Resident Realty - Aurora, CO
REALTOR & U.K. Real Estate Consultant

Jay, nothing beats a little education and research when finding a contractor. Great article!

Feb 16, 2014 03:38 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Thanks Kevin.  Knowledge is everything.

Feb 16, 2014 03:43 AM
Bill Reddington
Re/max By The Sea - Destin, FL
Destin Florida Real Estate

We see Hardie Blank a lot here because of its durability. Didn't know about the Hardiwrap. Makes me wonder if that is used here.

Feb 16, 2014 05:44 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

They consider using the wrap to be consistent with their Best Practices, Bill.

Feb 16, 2014 05:48 AM
Susan Jacobsen
The Alliance Group Realty - Hilton Head Island, SC
20 Years Providing WOW Real Estate Service

Jay - thanks for this post! I think people just try to get something done the least expensive way they can. I will say that I am sad that they are using a new product on a historic home; I realize it is a good product and undertand the rationale, it's just sad that they don't use something 'original.' They should be very glad that they found you and your expertise!

Feb 16, 2014 07:45 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

The original pattern of wood would have to be milled Susan, and that would be extremely expensive!  This is approved and used all over now.  One thing that is prohibited for restoration is vinyl siding, so at least that isn't used!

Feb 16, 2014 07:50 AM
Scott Seaton Jr. SLS Home Insp
SLS Home Inspections-Kankakee Will Iroquois Grundy Counties - Bourbonnais, IL
The Home Inspector With a Heart!

It's a great product, but as a former siding salesman, I have seen it done wrong so many times. They just don't get it. Too bad for the homeowner, this will be a mess. 

Feb 16, 2014 10:40 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

If the homeowner can see something is wrong, Scott, something is wrong!  And this is a bunch wrong.

Feb 17, 2014 04:22 AM
Aaron Hofmann
Atlanta Communities - Smyrna, GA
aka Mr. Smyrna Vinings

Your slogan is much better than Nike's. I think a lot of DIYers use the "just do it" slogan, but the "when you do it, do it right!" slogan really should be the one used for house projects and much in life.

Feb 18, 2014 05:44 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

I hadn't thought of that as a slogan, Aaron, but will take it!

Feb 18, 2014 05:55 AM