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Home Inspector with JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC HOI 394

To forgive is divineIt is said, to err is human to forgive is divine. While that quote may sum up the most common meaning that one thinks of when hearing the word forgiving, that meaning does not apply to buildings. If it did we all are living in divine structures. Houses are quite forgiving in that when something is done wrong, the house functions pretty much okay. From my experience, sometimes surprisingly so. In reality this is a good thing for all homeowners.

Living and inspecting in a cold climate, a common issue I find is condensation in attics. Conventional wisdom has been the cause for moisture in attics is due to inadequate ventilation. Building science and of course time have proven that ventilation or lack of is not the root cause for this phenomenon.

Ideal soffit venting and insulation placementHouses are complex systems that are influenced by numerous variables. Some are controllable, such as the design or systems. Others are not. The weather being the most obvious. Temperature, wind, rain, snow and sun all effect the structure. So incorporating design features that lessen the influence of the uncontrollable has been the goal of home designers and builders for as long as there have been homes. I'm certain cavemen knew that covering the front of the cave opening or a slope away from the entrance would be more desirable and comfortable. Basic air infiltration and water control.

What's funny, as in strange, is that as houses have evolved to better withstand these uncontrollable influences, new problems have arisen. Although old houses were drafty, creaky and cold, they didn't have the moisture related issues of today's tightly built dwellings. While insulation, vapor barriers and air sealing have made houses energy efficient, these improvements have also prevented the modern house from breathing and drying. The influence and understanding of these new dynamics is still being learned. Change is often a hard thing to understand and embrace.

Recently I was contacted by a condo management company regarding a unit where the homeowner had discovered water dripping from the roofing nails in his attic. Needless to say the man was concerned and was looking for answers. The woman from the management company had been told by a few other "contractors" with whom she had spoken, the problem was inadequate attic ventilation. After giving her a quick lesson and list of potential possibilities, she agreed to have me go out to the unit for a look.

Upon arriving, I immediately noted the presence of both ridge and soffit venting for the attic, which was expected. Upon closer examination, I saw that the ridge vent was short (that's the bump in the roof peak). A ridge vent should extend the entire length of the ridge save for the last few inches from each end. This particular vent and the other on the lower roof appeared to be one length of cobra vent. No doubt a cheat by the roofing company to save money.

Poorly installed rafter vent at soffitEntering the attic I found further issues with the attic ventilation installation. At least half the rafter vents had been incorrectly or I should say, shoddily installed. The purpose of the vents is basically two things, one to provide an unrestricted air way for the soffit vent and second to allow for good ceiling insulation coverage. In particular over the entire width of the exterior wall (the diagram above depicts a proper install).

With these ventilation issues present, the attic showed absolutely no signs that the ventilation is inadequate. Looking around I did see the tell tale tiny rusty red pock marks on the yellow field of fiberglass ceiling insulation, left from the dripping water the homeowner had discovered a few weeks before. However the roof sheathing was clean, displaying no sign of a chronic condensation issue. 

Large gap in the fiberglass ceiling insulationSo what caused the condensation the homeowner found?

Several conditions that already exist that came together with some uncontrollable conditions to form a "perfect storm".  For moisture to enter the attic it must have a way to get in there in the first place. Modern construction practices provide plenty of those access points.

The ceiling plane at the attic for all intents and purposes is holier than the pope. The photo shows just one such opening present in this attic. Has a theme begun to appear? The placement of the insulation is on par with the rafter vent installation. 

Infrared thermal image of heat loss from ceiling from atticAn infrared image taken of one of these gaps shows the heat from the living space bleeding through into the attic. That space also allows for air and moisture to diffuse into the attic. There are also holes in the ceiling made for wiring, plumbing and duct work. Covering them with a piece of batt fiberglass insulation does not stop the air movement! Further the ducts are leaky, which was easily detected by the infrared camera. And the HVAC system has a humidifier, so now we have ducts that leak moist air.

And in spite of all that condensation has probably occurred, based on what I saw, maybe just once or twice before. The reason I believe for the most recent brief rain storm in this attic, unusual cold temperatures coupled with a roof covered in snow.

Infrared thermal image of roof sheathing in and out of the sunThe sun beating on the roof warms the sheathing. Warm sheathing can not cause moisture to condense. Further, the radiant heat does slightly raise the attic temperature. A few degrees can mean just enough of difference in the dew point to avert condensation.

So in spite of the plethora of conspiring conditions, the house overall is so forgiving of all the errors, perhaps it should be up for sainthood. 

 

Posted by

James Quarello
Connecticut Home Inspector
Former SNEC-ASHI President
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC

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Clint Mckie
Desert Sun Home, commercial Inspections - Carlsbad, NM
Desert Sun Home, Comm. Inspection 1-575-706-5586

Hi James nice post.

And the seller wanted to know what the big issues  were with the missing insulation right? This home was not a for sale home but many sellers ask that question.

Have a nice day in Connecticut.

Best, Clint McKie

Mar 02, 2014 08:38 PM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

My head is spinning.  One thing for sure, I know when a matter is above my pay grade. 

Thank goodness for experienced and smart home inspectors.

I'd have to think about the "foregiving matter" before commenting.  I actually have a great admiration for elephants.

Mar 02, 2014 08:56 PM
Dagny Eason
Dagny's Real Estate - Wilton, CT
Fairfield County CT, CDPE Homes For Sale and Condo
Very timely post, Jim! Thanks for the explanation!
Mar 02, 2014 08:57 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

That's a photo of my son after a night of destroying Iraqi homes, eating their food and throwing the women and children into the street.

At least that's what the Goon John Kerry said they were doing.

I don't remember if that was his first or second visit there.

But you can clearly see it's dawn.  It was a long night of ransacking.

That's his patch from the experience.

The obvious purpose of the patch was to strike fear into the hearts of women and children during the ransacking.

His dad had a little fun with it.

And to your quote about forgiveness, I thought I would add this little twist!

He's on his fifth all-expense paid trip to Afghanistan now. 

He's had quite a few vacations over there.

 

Mar 02, 2014 08:59 PM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

Jim, the least they could have done was to "center" the dang thing!

Mar 02, 2014 09:29 PM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

Brenda, That is exactly a very large part of the job of the inspector, educating the new home owner. 

Jay, Yes I see that we do again.

Clint, The homeowner was very eager to learn. It was an enjoyable inspection.

Lenn, LOL. I have used that same line during inspection. 

Dagny, Thanks. I'm full of them 

Jay, An interesting twist on the old adage.

Charlie, Judging from the over quality of work, I think you are asking for the moon 

Mar 02, 2014 10:03 PM
Michael Setunsky
Woodbridge, VA
Your Commercial Real Estate Link to Northern VA

James, it was time to call in a pro which they did. Job well done!

Mar 02, 2014 10:13 PM
Donald Hester
NCW Home Inspections, LLC - Wenatchee, WA
NCW Home Inspections, LLC

Jim, Another classic if they had done the job right in the first place. 

Mar 02, 2014 10:20 PM
Richie Alan Naggar
people first...then business Ran Right Realty - Riverside, CA
agent & author

Good post and comments...thank you

Mar 02, 2014 11:15 PM
Michael Ha Elmhurst
Rego Park, Forest Hills, Jackson Heights, Corona, Middle Village - Elmhurst, NY
Woodside, Maspeth

Wow! A very clever way to save money on the Roffers' side; a great chance for the inspectors to follow throguh and correct incompetence. 

Mar 02, 2014 11:32 PM
Jack O'Neal
HomeSmart Elite Group - Gilbert, AZ

Nice post John!  If they had done the job right, that probably wouldn't have happened!  At least they were able to call you in and get it figured out!  Well done!

Mar 03, 2014 02:39 AM
Jon Quist
REALTY EXECUTIVES ARIZONA TERRITORY - Tucson, AZ
Tucson's BUYERS ONLY Realtor since 1996

Ah, James. When I read your name on this post, I knew it would be full of explanation and illustrations. Never disappointed with your blogs.

Mar 03, 2014 03:46 AM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

Michael, Thanks.

Don, Well now why would anyone want to that 

Richie, Thanks.

Michael, There seems to be too much of that, incompetence that is. 

Jack, Exactly. In spite of the poor workmanship, it rarely happened. 

Jon, Thanks so much. Very nice of you to say. 

Mar 03, 2014 05:37 AM
Chris Griffith
Downing-Frye Realty, Bonita Springs, FL - Bonita Springs, FL
Bonita Springs Listing Specialist - Agent

We have the same sort of issues with air conditioning and cool air getting out in South Florida.  Great detailed presentation!  

Mar 03, 2014 06:20 AM
Jill Saddler
Draper, UT
Draper Utah Real Estate Professional - 25 years+!

Big fan of this thermal imaging that you guys have - great post!

Mar 03, 2014 06:55 AM
Joan Whitebook
BHG The Masiello Group - Nashua, NH
Consumer Focused Real Estate Services

This is a most informative post.  The photos do a great job of illustrating the points you are making.

Mar 03, 2014 11:08 AM
George Souto
George Souto NMLS #65149 FHA, CHFA, VA Mortgages - Middletown, CT
Your Connecticut Mortgage Expert

James shortly after moving into my house I had a ConnSave audit done and they identified that I did not have enough ventilation in my attic and that it would start to split the plywood in my roof.  I installed two turbines in my roof and that roof ended up lasting 33 years. 

Mar 03, 2014 11:36 AM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

Chris, Yes, it works basically the same in the summer, except without condensation.

Jill, Thanks. It's a fun toy 

Joan, Thanks. I do the same with my reports. Photos should support the text.

George, That was the thinking back then. 

Mar 03, 2014 09:38 PM
Ralph Gorgoglione
Metro Life Homes - Palm Springs, CA
California and Hawaii Real Estate (310) 497-9407

Wow.  What a cool and introspective viewpoint.

All the Best,

The Ralphster

Mar 03, 2014 09:58 PM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

Thanks Ralphster. 

Mar 03, 2014 10:25 PM