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Are Reverse Mortgages costs so much more than regular mortgages?

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Services for Real Estate Pros with Southwest Florida Notaries (Mortgage Notary Signing Agent)

Reverse Mortgage CostsWhen speaking to Realtors, and even other mortgage brokers/lenders, etc., those that frown upon Reverse Mortgages often list their costs as way to high as one of their reasons they steer their clients away from them.  As a Certified Mortgage Notary Signing Agent, I see all kinds of loans, and while I have always said that I felt their costs were in line with regular mortgages (IF you could take out the required Mortgage Insurance) I never actually sat down and computed the difference.  Until now!

I do not remember how to calculate all the statistics as far as probability, and +/- differences, but here are the hard facts from about 5% of my loans.  Most figures did not surprise me, some did, so here they are:

   Average Reverse Mortgage Loan Amount - $205,462

      Average Loan Origination Amount $4,059 - 2.0%   (Highest 2%, lowest 1.8%)

      Average Mortgage Insurance Amount $4,088 - 2.0%

      Average other closing Amount $4,739 - 2.3%

      Total closing costs $12,886 - 6.3%  > > >>>(without Mortgage Insurance $8,798 - 4.3%)<<< < <

   Average Regular Mortgage Loan Amount - $171,067

      Average Loan Origination Amount $4,390 - 2.6%   (Highest 4.9%, lowest fee 0.3% - one was 0%!)

      Average Mortgage Insurance $124 - .1%  Average VA Fund $24 - 0.01%

      Average Amount to bring to 1st of the month $165 - .1%

      Average other closing Amount $2,190 - 1.3%

      Total Closing costs $6,894 - 4.0%

I noticed the loan origination fees were always the 2% maximum allowed on the Reverse Mortgages except one which was less. On the forward mortgages, they average 2.6%, and two actually impressed me and had very little origination fees - including one that had none.  I wonder about that one, as maybe there was a YSP, or something just not listed anywhere, but that was how it was listed anyway!  60% exceeded 2%, so the other 40% were less than the 2% charged, as well as only 15% that were lower than the 1.5% fees - probably soon to be the maximum origination fee for Reverse Mortgages.  In other words 85% charge a higher origination fee than what will likely be the Reverse Mortgage origination fee cap.  Prior to doing the actual computations, I thought forward mortgages averaged a much higher rate, so that actually surprised me that it was only .6% higher than average Reverse Mortgage origination fees.  Another thing that caught my attention was how the other closing costs were a bit higher on Reverse Mortgages than forward mortgages.  Although, in the end, like I have been saying all along, IF you could back out the required Mortgage Insurance, the closing costs ARE right in line with all other mortgages 4.3% RM to 4.0% Regular.  As I said in the beginning, without doing all the actual statistics, in my opinion, to differentiate in closing costs by only 0.3% is pretty much very close! (On $100,000 loan, that amounts to a difference of $300 - not much!!)

In my mind, I always said that the closing costs were close (without the MIP) and these statistics back up what I felt all along. Some surprises, but not too many!  Of course, the MIP is required for a very good reason, and certainly with it, it does boost the final costs, but always knowing both you and your heirs will never be burdened with a loan that exceeds the value of your home is not only a requirement for a good reason, but certainly a great piece of mind!

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Ron,

I'm confused why you are considering MIP, since MIP is not required for loans over 80% LTV and reverse mortgages will never approach 80% LTV.  Would you explain your assumptions?

Mar 23, 2008 09:09 AM
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Dana Point, CA

This doesn't suprise me at all... I think people jump the gun to much when they say Reverse Mortgages are to expensive. The 2% MIP always hurts the pocketbook but the benefits you get for it is well worth the cost. The 2% mortgage origination is negotiable, as is any origination so if you think you are paying to much then just ask the LO to lower their fee.

One thing to keep in mind is that you are not charged a processing, admin or any junk fees as you can be with a forward loan. the 2% origination covers processing and any admin/broker or whatever people want to call it.

great post by the way.

Rogan McGillis

www.reversemortgagecity.com

Mar 25, 2008 05:23 PM
Ronald Gillis
Southwest Florida Notaries (Mortgage Notary Signing Agent) - Port Charlotte, FL
CNSA Southwest Florida. Notaries, Port Charlotte, 941-7-NOTARY

F-A-N-P/N-A-N you are correct, MIP is not required for loans over 20% equity, and in my sampling of forward mortgages, only one actually had MIP.  As far as Reverse Mortgages never approaching 80% LTV, not only is that false, in todays economy, it is happening a lot.  When house values rebound, in time I know, it will help lower the LTV.  No matter though, MIP is REQUIRED on ALL Reverse Mortgages (the HUD/FHA HECM Reverse Mortgages that is - which is what about 95% of all today's Reverse Mortgages are) 

I am not assuming anything, but was trying to substantiate my belief that if you COULD take out the MIP requirement for Reverse Mortgages (which I know you cannot), the closing costs would be very close to regular forward mortgages.  In my sampling Reverse Mortgages closing costs were 4.3% of the loan amount (without MIP) as compared to forward mortgages 4.0%, which in my mind substantiates what my belief was all along - without MIP, Reverse Mortgage closing costs are right in line with forward mortgages.  Although the MIP does tack on another 2%, the protections it provides is certainly worth it! 

Thanks for your comment, I hope I answered your question.

Rogan, there are soooo many myths about Reverse Mortgages (I've written a couple blogs about them as well!) , and this is certainly a big one! I was taken back the day before I compiled these statistics and wrote this blog, as I was speaking to another Mortgage Broker who adamantly said I was wrong.  After closing nearly 700 loans, of which about 200 were Reverse Mortgages, I felt pretty confident I was right, but I just had to see.  The other forward mortgage junk fees that you mention were actually lower than reverse mortgage other fees, that was one big surprise to me, but otherwise, it was exactly what I said & felt all along!  Like you said, the 2% MIP does tack on a bit, but it does provide a tremendous benefit! 

Thanks for the comment as well, I'm glad you like the post!!

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Mar 26, 2008 05:52 PM
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Jan 09, 2018 06:49 AM
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Ronald Gillis

The calculations on this post are ten years old. While I am sure there has been some changes, for the most part, Reverse Mortgage fees have come down, but I don't know the changes of regular mortgages

Jan 09, 2018 07:28 AM
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