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Have You Seen These Porcelain Refinish Jobs?

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Home Inspector with Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC 3380-000723

Have you seen these porcelain refinish jobs? 

I do all the time.  Only the jobs done most recently do not have problems.

Tubs, sinks, counter tops, ceramic tile - all these can be refinished.  And there are many companies and contractors who do this work.

The problem I see most often is peeling.  The other is over spray, which is just plain ugly.

Both of these problems are exceptionally common.

The peeling can be anywhere - on the floor, or sides of a tub, on the ceramic tile wall, on the edges of a sink.

Dropping something on the sprayed material can cause stress that eventually opens up to begin to peel.

And during installation, if bubbles are left they too will soon open up.

The spray materials are said to be "high tech," acrylics used with special bonding agents, and not spray paint, epoxy or enamel.

In this house both bathroom tubs had problems here at the drain.  That being so, I would have to blame it on the same installation weakness or mistake done around both tub drains.  I don't know what the problem was, just that it was consistent to both locations.

These bathrooms were both said by the seller to be "recently remodeled."  The word "recently" was not defined.

The refinishing companies say that the material lasts 10 - 15 years. 

As a home inspector I am unable to speak to that life span.  All I can say is that when I see it the problems are nearly universal.  I would NOT consider it to be a Best Practice.  It might be a valid stop-gap repair, however, and without over spray can be good looking, so buyers of houses with recently-refinished materials should be exceptionally aware.  This is not to say not to buy the house, just to be aware of what you are buying.

The word SINCERE comes to us from the Roman marketplace.  Marble was a commonly-used material.  Unscrupulous salesmen would sell marble where cracks had been filled with wax to fill and hide them.  The crack would not be discovered until later, when it was too late.  This shady practice got so common that buyers began avoiding marble!  So the honest sellers in the marketplace would put up signs with their product to advertise it as wax free! 

The signs read "SIN CERE."  Which means "WITHOUT WAX."

My recommendation:  as with everything, consumers need to check things out completely.  Certainly the skill and professionalism of the individual(s) doing the work counts greatly.  All remodeling and repairs requires due diligence and even skepticism, no matter what is done.  From this home inspector's point of view, there is a lot of snake oil out there.  Consumers, though, have to determine what they consider to be snake oil and what is not.  Caveat emptor.

 

 

Posted by

Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC  

Based in Bristow, serving all of Northern Virginia.

Office (703) 330-6388   Cell (703) 585-7560

www.jaymarinspect.com


Comments(21)

Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

You're right David.  This is a favorite practice of the Flipper!

Mar 27, 2014 10:47 PM
Clint Mckie
Desert Sun Home, commercial Inspections - Carlsbad, NM
Desert Sun Home, Comm. Inspection 1-575-706-5586

Hi Jay,

Talk about a safety issue. I have been cut on some of those crappy re finish jobs.

Nice find for the buyers.

Have a good day in Bristow.

Best, Clint McKie

Mar 27, 2014 11:15 PM
Tom White
Franklin Homes Realty LLC (615) 495-0752 or www.FranklinHomesRealty.com - Franklin, TN
Franklin Homes Realty LLC, Franklin TN

Jay, this is one of those posts that people should read, but they don't like the news. Bummer. I mistakenly thought that the refinishing might be something that works!

Mar 27, 2014 11:28 PM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

Jay, I see this reinfinishing as a means to extend the life of an otherwise good tub and if you are willing to redo it every 10 years it can be quite satisfactory for the cost.  Like you, I rarely find one that does not have issues after about 8-10 years---sometimes sooner.

Mar 27, 2014 11:41 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

This material was both floppy and sharp Clint.  It always is.  I did not touch it - who knows what's going on with that stuff that I have no protection against!

It does Tom, for a while.  But it seems to me to be quite vulnerable to problems.

Charlie - that is exactly what it is intended to do.  Which is why flippers like it so much - cute and quick.  I think the problems happen much more quickly than the 8 - 10.

Mar 28, 2014 02:57 AM
Suzanne Otto
Six Twenty Designs - Lansdale, PA
Your Montgomery County PA home stager

You just turned me off from re-glazing my tub. Mine is chipping now, but I'll eventually be redoing the whole bathroom. Might as well throw the tub in there too. 

Mar 28, 2014 06:32 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Which gives you the opportunity to get the tub you want Suzanne!

Mar 28, 2014 09:38 AM
Cindy Jones
Integrity Real Estate Group - Woodbridge, VA
Pentagon, Fort Belvoir & Quantico Real Estate News

I had both the tubs and tile reglazed in my parents old house.  We did not have any problems for the 4 years I owned it after it was completed..  We had the a heck of time getting out the old stopper thingie (techinical term) so it would not be sprayed over but the local hardware store had a tool that we could borrow to get it out.  Wonder if this one wasn't prepped right or they went with the cheapest bid?

Mar 28, 2014 09:57 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

I wouldn't know Cindy.  Both tubs have the same problem, so both tubs experienced the same techniques. 

Mar 28, 2014 10:18 AM
James Dray
Fathom Realty - Bentonville, AR

Not only did I learn something today i also learned the meaning of a word I hadn't given much thought to.  Thanks

Mar 28, 2014 07:50 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

If you mean the word sincere, James, many of our words are contractions of Latin words that have specific meanings separate and apart.  And ALL words have etymologies and histories.  Language is fascinating.  Most people don't bother to look into it!

Mar 28, 2014 08:13 PM
Women of Westchester Working Together
Women of Westchester Working Together - West Harrison, NY
Women helping Women get ahead

Generally, the reglazing works very well on walls. There are no warranties on floors (nor would I expect it to last long there) and I believe the warranties on tubs may be shorter (maybe 5 yrs).  Yes, this does look like it wasn't done well, and I'm sure standing water contributed to this (and perhaps poor drainage). - Debbie

Mar 28, 2014 08:31 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Perhaps Debbie.  It seems to me that a bath tub is intended to hold water, so any "remodeling" or "refinishing" should be able to handle that.

Mar 28, 2014 09:43 PM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

Warrented for 5 years???  Mmmm.  Is the warranty an insurance policy or is it with a refinish company???  That's important.

Otherwise that "warranty" is just "blowin' in the wind".

This matter gets so complicated that I don't even want to sell the house.  Where else has the owner compromised repairs when replacement is advised???

Mar 28, 2014 10:00 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

I don't think they would warrrant that refinish for five years Lenn.  I see failure nearly every time I see this stuff.  As such, I have to make a point to tell clients that they are buying it, when I see it.

Mar 28, 2014 10:06 PM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

I on occasion see the same. Refinishing tubs here does not seem to be as popular here. 

Mar 28, 2014 10:33 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

It is a flipper favorite Jim.  Understandably.  And people get sold.

Mar 28, 2014 11:08 PM
Sally K. & David L. Hanson
EXP Realty 414-525-0563 - Brookfield, WI
WI Real Estate Agents - Luxury - Divorce

It looks good for a very short time...dis color and peel...you bet....!

Mar 28, 2014 11:54 PM
Donald Hester
NCW Home Inspections, LLC - Wenatchee, WA
NCW Home Inspections, LLC

Jay, I have seen this on occasion also. I have always wondered what the actual lifespan of the refinish was.

 

Another popular one is the "refit" where they have liner that goes on over the existing tub.

 

Here is an example of one.

Mar 29, 2014 12:39 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

It seems too S&D.  But by the time I see it, almost every time, it is a mess.

Don - I don't either.  Those refits are similarly hideous, but if they continue to stick to stuff they will last a long time!

Mar 29, 2014 06:50 AM