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Is This How Builders Will Be Attaching Front Porch Roofs Now?

By
Home Inspector with Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC 3380-000723

On each of my last three pre-drywall inspections in Northern Virginia, I have wondered -- is this how builders will be attaching front porch roofs now?

I have been astounded. 

Contacting an architect friend of mine with photos, I asked if this is how they are teaching architects to draw stuff up in schools today!

These are three different houses, in three different areas, and three different builders.

Porch Number One

These are the two beams supporting the outside of the front porch roof.

There are no nails, bolts, or straps.

The beams are merely resting there -

securely glued in tightly with poly-foam!

Porch Number Two

These are the two beams supporting the long front porch roof on this house.

These beams are the face of the porch you would see from the street.  They are about 35' long.

A bit blurry when cropped, but nonetheless, it is obvious that these beams are not attached to anything.

There isn't even foam on this one!

And they aren't completely inserted or resting on the studs below.

Porch Number Three

This is another outside double beam, on yet a third property.

It has two toe nails into the left beam, and a couple from below.

Of course toe nailing won't stop the beams from being pulled out.

What I have seen in the past is a long ledger beam against the house, bolted to the structure of the house.  The roof trusses are then strapped to that ledger beam.

In addition, all protruding double beams were lag bolted or through bolted into the house structure.

In a high wind, hurricane or tornado, inadequate attachment would mean that front porch roof, not terribly heavy as compared to nature, could pull out or fly off!

AND ALL OF THESE LOCATIONS WOULD HAVE BEEN CONVENIENTLY COVERED WITH DRYWALL IN A COUPLE OF DAYS.

I do not believe this is how an architect drew this up!

For sure I could teach a class at any architecture school, complete with photos, and a sarcastic, funny lesson plan.  The title of the class? 

THIS IS WHAT YOU DRAW AND THINK PEOPLE SEE.
THIS IS HOW CONSTRUCTION "PROFESSIONALS" SEE YOUR PLANS.

My recommendation:  I don't know about you, but I find this trend to slap things up and nail gun a house together to be dangerous.  It is not professionalIt will not last.

Builders, supervisors and construction "professionals" are at fault.  It is a scary trend.

The house to the left was built by my grandmother near Chevy Chase Circle off Connecticut Avenue in Washington DC.  Beginning in 1908 it took two years to build.  The family moved in in 1910.  It still has the ORIGINAL wood siding!

Think carefully -- do you need a home inspection on new construction?

 

 

Posted by

Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC  

Based in Bristow, serving all of Northern Virginia.

Office (703) 330-6388   Cell (703) 585-7560

www.jaymarinspect.com


Comments(17)

James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

That is referred to as air support.

I would expect to see some means of attachment as well.

Apr 15, 2014 09:47 PM
Raymond E. Camp
Ontario, NY

Good morning Jay,

Maybe they are looking for kindling in the near future!

Make yourself a great day.

Apr 15, 2014 09:53 PM
Sally K. & David L. Hanson
EXP Realty 414-525-0563 - Brookfield, WI
WI Real Estate Agents - Luxury - Divorce

On our planet...in real life....in Wisconsin...these things require permits and inspections at various stages...our house was designed and house plans approved with a walk out deck....and had to have separate permits....and fees of course...and inspections.....

Apr 15, 2014 09:56 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Nail hit on head Jim.  Or, should I say, air support hit on head...

Raymond - kindling to be sure!  That's what it will be one day!

S&D - these houses were already INSPECTED by the county and approved for drywall!  The top photo is the same house with the hideous flashing that I posted the other day. 

Apr 15, 2014 10:00 PM
Clint Mckie
Desert Sun Home, commercial Inspections - Carlsbad, NM
Desert Sun Home, Comm. Inspection 1-575-706-5586

Hi Jay,

No attachmets? No plates anywhere either. That foam and those toe nails  will help hold it in place for a couple of months till all the extra weight gets on the front dormers. Oh noy! That will take some work to change out and make right.

Have a good day in Bristow.

Best, Clint McKie

Apr 15, 2014 10:25 PM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

One thing is crystal clear.

"Approved by the county" has little to no meaning.

Apr 15, 2014 10:29 PM
Steve Loynd
Alpine Lakes Real Estate Inc., - Lincoln, NH
800-926-5653, White Mountains NH

Jay...all I can say is this is scary, with the snow weight load we have in the north country these structures wouldn't survive the first winter.

Apr 15, 2014 11:06 PM
Tom Arstingstall, General Contractor, Dry Rot, Water Damage Sacramento, El Dorado County - (916) 765-5366
Dry Rot and Water Damage www.tromlerconstruction.com Mobile - 916-765-5366 - Placerville, CA
General Contractor, Dry Rot and Water Damage

Funny how the builders have a different understanding of what is required, when they should know what is required Jay.

Apr 15, 2014 11:52 PM
Gene Riemenschneider
Home Point Real Estate - Brentwood, CA
Turning Houses into Homes

I caught Lenn's reblogg of this post.  Great post and great point about getting a Home Inspection.

Apr 16, 2014 03:30 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

It is schmuck work all around Clint.

Agreed Lenn.  Then there are the guys who claim to have had inspections done...

I had a flip yesterday where the guy said he had all the county approvals.  My report included over 20 codes I told him the county somehow "missed."  When all was said and done, gee, he had pulled no permits.  He thought nobody would notice...

Steve - this roof would pull out in short order.  My clients, of course, had no idea.  They said it looked good to them!

Tom - that this got so far, and almost got covered by drywall is a hideous commentary on the builder in the first photo. 

Gene - that's the only point people need to understand!

Apr 16, 2014 08:17 AM
Jeff Pearl
RE/MAX Distinctive / LIC in VA - Lovettsville, VA
Full Service Full Time Realtor

There must be some drywall screws hidden in there somewhere?

Apr 16, 2014 08:35 AM
Sylvia Jonathan
Coldwell Banker Platinum Properties - Irvine, CA
Broker Associate, SFR

My question in this is: Where are the city building inspectors? Are they all paid off with a bottle of whiskey to look the other way, or do the inspectors not know better either?

 

Apr 16, 2014 09:37 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

That or double-sided tape Jeff.

I can't answer that Sylvia.  When things are approved, they should have been looked at though!

Apr 16, 2014 10:34 AM
Tammie White, Broker
Franklin Homes Realty LLC - Franklin, TN
Franklin TN Homes for Sale

Front porches are very common here. I can see this post is worthy of a re-blog.

Apr 16, 2014 03:39 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Thank you Tammie.  Is this how they are doing it in your area?  Have you had any recent inspections to see?

Apr 16, 2014 05:21 PM
Donald Hester
NCW Home Inspections, LLC - Wenatchee, WA
NCW Home Inspections, LLC

Jay, I do not think you understand the gripping power of foam ;) I am sure it is an engineered product.

Apr 17, 2014 12:13 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

And Don, when so much ABC gum is out there, fruit or mint flavored, why in the world would anyone go with foam?

Apr 17, 2014 05:50 AM