Cliven Bundy and BLM Standoff Could Spark a New Sagebrush Rebellion

I wish ALL Nevada voters would read, listen, and realize that Harry Reid is behind all this. He wants that land so a Chinese company can make money on a wind farm - and it doesn't take much imagination to guess who will get a payoff.

Corruption.

I find it amazing that the traditional 'law and order' Republican's have decided to support armed lawlessness. BTW one of Bundy's rancher-neighbors said this: "I feel that the rule of law supersedes armed militias coming in from all over the country to stand with a law-breaking rancher, which is what he is."

Wow, Karl wants to enforce the law just like Harry Reid, but only against American citizens. Don't worry about the 10s of millions of illegal immigrants who are breaking the law....they are future Dem voters.

I don't agree with Bundy's legal tactics, but there is FAR more to the story than the press is reporting. Bundy has some very valid points. The BLM's intent was to run the ranchers out of business and Bundy simply refused to pay the government to shut him down. Fifty-two (52) ranchers in the area in the 70s and now there are only 3? Buffalo, antelope, etc have lived with the desert tortise, but cattle can't? Even though they have been living side by side for 100+ years?

What about the mass graves? The BLM 'cowboys' simply ran the cattle to death or shot them and THEN buried them. The feds spent $3 million plus, for $1 million in fines. Federal idiocy in action.

Check out Reid Bunkerville LLC's property in Nevada. I am sure it is just a coincidence.

     Cattle hurt desert tortoises.  But a $9 Billion Chinese Solar Plant won't. 

LOL, Fred. I forgot that a desert tortoise is the main form of nourishment for cattle! 

Amazing how 'relocating' the tortoises from the proposed solar plant area is fine, but letting cattle co-exist with them is TERRIBLE!!!!!

When the Feds or their henchmen (Reid and Co) want to use federal land it is okay, but the average American citizen should not be allowed to use the ground, especially during a government shutdown. Lets spend millions closing parks and overlooks to punish the American people.

Fred - the theory that Reid's putative involvement in the Bundy dispute was motivated by a desire to somehow profit from the building of a solar plant falls flat in the face of two basic facts: The site that ENN Mojave Energy was planning to buy in order to build a solar plant is nowhere near the public land Bundy has been disputing with the government, and ENN gave up the solar project and terminated its agreement to buy land to house it as far back as June 2013.

John - Really...people from the East Coast cannot comment on issues out west? When did that rule come into practice?

Well, I guess you "conservatives" will grasp at any straw in support of this armed lawlessness....very, very bizarre.

Your facts are wrong again, Karl.

1: No one ever said that the solar plants would be going on the Butte. The Butte is where they want to 'relocate' the desert tortoises to when they build the solar plant on government ground.

2: The 'fact' the government terminated the deal is completely worthless IMO. As many behind the scene and closed door deals this administration is making their word means nothing.

3: It doesn't bother you that the Reid family was in on the deal with a Chinese company to buy federal lands at 1/10th their appraised value? (One son is an attorney for the company representing the Chinese. Reid voted for the deal and the Reid family owns land that will greatly increase in value if A solar plant goes in.

I guess you liberals will overlook anything to take a shot at conservatives.

Actually, the East coast people have no idea what is going on in the West. There is plenty of land to develop on the East coast, but try developing ground in the West. Very limited when the feds own or 'manage' 50-80% of a state.

Unless, of course, you are one of the ruling class and then Reid never has a problem getting highways, interstates or off ramps approved.

Please provide reputable sources for your points.

BTW, of course "insider deals" bother me...but I find it amusing that right-wingers are all of the sudden aghast that it occurs....ALL the time...in both parties.

AND it still doesn't explain YOUR support for armed lawlessness. Again, very bizarre.

If you are addressing me Karl then there aren't any 'reputable' sources by your definition. If they aren't left wing sources then the facts aren't true. Your reputable sources aren't reporting on it..... other than giving the administration's view.

There wasn't any 'armed lawlessness'. There was protesting (A hell of a lot more peaceful than ANY OWS protest), which included blocking government vehicles. Every OWS protest occupied public space and blocked the government (local, state, county and feds) out, but Reid never called them 'Domestic Terrorists'. The BLM tased protestors for simply blocking trucks. Where are the tasers when it is a left wing organization?

Every Union protest includes blocking of facalities, including ports. Why isn't this 'lawlessness' or 'Domestic terrorism'? Because it doesn't go against your beliefs or the Dems/Lib beliefs is why! 

BLM used accessive force from start to finish. Even the amount owed is in dispute....I have seen as low as $200k. Why aren't they putting a lien on the cattle or ranch? Hell, by Congress's standards, $200k isn't even a drop in the bucket.

This is all about getting access to the land, so the feds can use it anyway they (Reids) want.

OK Than, if "they" intended to relocate the desert tortoise to this federal land it had to be a policy position taken by SOMEONE...Ried, EPA, BLM, etc, etc. If not, then it us PURE, unadulterated speculation on your part.

BTW, If union members showed up with guns demanding higher wages the right wing would go ballistic....and you know it!

Quite turning it to the 'right wing' Karl. Or what the 'right wing' would do or how they would react.

I have never seen a union group attacked by the feds or police. I have seen union protestors attack vehicles and picket line breakers, block traffic (trucks, trains and ships).

Your waaah, waaah, wahh, the Right WOULD do this is complete BS and misdirection.

 LIBERALISM 101

Don't address the topic; distract, divert and lie.

Here is a link to one where tortoises WERE relocated:

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-10-04/where-tortoises-and-solar-power-dont-mix

Here's a link from April 3, 2013 of ENN (Chinese company) talking about bulding the plant in Nevada.

http://www.businessweek.com/videos/2012-04-03/chinas-enn-plans-5-billion-solar-plant-in-nevada

Here is one that nicely clears up some of the confusion. They state it is the Dry Lake SEZ (proposed solar plant) that needs Gold Butte to make up for the damage caused by the proposed solar plant.

http://libertyunyielding.com/2014/04/12/feds-want-relocate-desert-tortoise-chinese-solar-farm-sponsored-harry-reid/

A little excerpt from the article:

"First Solar, you’ll remember, is the crony firm whose chairman of the board, Michael Ahearn, bundled hundreds of thousands in political donations for Obama and other Democrats, including the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee and Harry Reid.  First Solar was rewarded for this special excellence with over $3 billion in taxpayer “green energy” subsidies – whereupon it laid off most of its American workers and consolidated most of its activities overseas.  The company’s stock has performed very poorly in the years since First Solar began hanging on Uncle Sam’s bootstrap, in part because of product defects that have cost hundreds of millions in customer compensation."

Huh, a major bundler and donor to Obama and Reid is on the board. Reid has his paws all over this.

And one more Karl:

Senator Harry Reid 

Dana Loesch noted wryly, "If only Clive Bundy were a big Reid donor."

She writes,

"The tortoise wasn’t of concern when Harry Reid worked BLM to literally change the boundaries of the tortoise’s habitat to accommodate the development of his top donor, Harvey Whittemore."

She continues to reveal that BLM "has proven that they’ve a situational concern for the desert tortoise as they’ve had no problem waiving their rules concerning wind or solar power development."

The author would be remiss not to mention Neil Kornze, the new director of the Bureau of Land Management. He was "was senior public lands adviser to Sen. Harry Reid" before joining BLM in 2011.

Not surprisingly, Kornze was endorsed by the Sierra Club.

Of course you will have some asinine excuse for everything or start babbling about how the RIGHT would react. Again, LIBERALISM 101.

I'll tell you how the right reacts. Look at OWS. The right didn't assault, attack or arrest the OWS nitwits. The were left alone even though they were breaking the law. Only Left-wing governors and mayors used force on the OWS idiots. The right formed the TEA party and had peaceful respectful and clean protests.

Waiting on Karl's post on how Bundy is a racist and it just proves right wingers are racist and HOW could anyone support a RAACCIISSSTTT..........3, 2, 1.............

Here's my answer to the (so far) unposted question:

His personal views have no bearing on whether the BLM and feds overstepped their authority and used excessive force.

Where is PETA on the MURDER of all those innocent cattle?