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The Unknowing Expert, or maybe changing an aspect of Active Rain

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Home Inspector with Frank Schulte-Ladbeck Professional Real Estate Inspections

The internet as the wild west? That is the description that was applied to our domain here on the web. In fact, it has been applied to blogs specifically, but I think that it might be more aptly asserted as a title to some online forums on a host of topics (including real estate).

My wife has been switched over to work in the intensive care unit in her hospital. This evening, she sits on the couch across from my desk, reading about some complications which may occur to her patients, asking me about some of the English words that are giving her a problem. I am clearing off my desk, trying to catch up on my reading, when I come across an article that deals with the growing space on the web where you can find information about an illness. Much of this data has been provided by patients. I know that when my wife's cousin received her diagnosis of cancer, she was helped immensely by my mother, a cancer survivor, coming to talk to her. However, much of the information provided in this format does not really give a new patient all of what he really needs to know. And this is a concern.

In a way, I have seen the same problem on the Zillow and Trulia sites. On one occasion, I answered a question in a Zillow forum about home inspections. This is my job, which in Texas requires over four hundred hours of education, so I thought of myself as qualified. I faced strong opposition to my answer though, because it went against a perception that many people have. The perception: that older homes do not need to meet the same safety requirements that newer homes do. Here in Texas, I am required to report on several safety issues that were not in force even twenty years ago. Many of these items are minor in the sense that a two dollar part could repair the situation. For example, an anti-siphon device on an exterior hose bib is needed, but most older homes do not have one. The argument presented to me was that if it has been safe so far, it will always be safe. I angered several people by mentioning that I would have to place such an item in my report. Their claim was that I was just being mean to the seller. Although I tried, I was unable to dissuade them from their opinion, so I bowed out of the conversation.

Even though I was not successful, I still see a use for these sites. Experience of a situation is useful to the homeowner, just as my mother's talk was useful to my cousin. These stories are valuable, and they should not be underestimated. In that regard, these forums play a vital role for our professional community on the internet. We know that new buyers are going to the web for information, and these sites are main providers. I imagine that we need to become more involved in such sites to help develop the understanding that our clients need; however, Active Rain provides that in a better form from the side of professionals, but maybe allowing home buyers and sellers to relate their experiences here may be a good resource to add.

The other aspect that sites like Trulia and Zillow will not handle well (or any other site which relies on consumer information) are new developments in our field. This September will see the enforcement of a new regulation in Texas that rural properties will have to be inspected when being sold. The reason for this rule is simple: it is to counter another misperception that many homeowners have about building in areas that are not part of a municipality with building codes. You see, every state in our union has a set of building codes that apply to all homes, unless a city has its own rules. Even within city limits, homeowners do not adhere to building requirements, but we have a means for eventually dealing with such structures. When will consumers realize that this new regulation is in place? Sites like Trulia and Zillow would not report on it until consumers have experienced this situation enough. Whereas real estate professionals would already be well informed.

In the end, we have to take the consumer experience as important to the understanding of other consumers, but we also have to ensure that the consumers are hearing our own voices. I like the question section here on the Rain; however, a more Zillow like forum may make this site better for the consumer.


Lissa Uder
RE/MAX Next Generation, LLC - Lebanon, MO
Your Lebanon MO Real Estate Agent

I am a firm believer, whether I am working for the buyer or seller, that any and all issues should be brought to attention in an inspection report. What is the rationale of paying for one if it isn't going to be accurate. It also keeps issues from coming back on me later.

Maybe it's just the nurse in me, but I like to hear the consumer opinion. Even though they may not understand what the professionals are trying to explain to them, it lets us know more about what they think, what needs to be taught to them, and what issues are really important. So many times, they do what the agent recommends without understanding the "why" behind it.

If we don't teach them and communicate with them, the media will and we all know what happens then!

Mar 25, 2008 01:47 AM
Rich Dansereau
Positive Real Estate Professionals - Knoxville, TN

I too think that the input from consumers is essential in knowing not only how their thinking process works but what general consumers believe to be the truths of the real estate industry. I am not sure how the interaction works or doesn't work with zillow and trulia but the interaction of consumers and industry professionals would seem beneficial. I will have to look at the interactive boards of zillow and trulia that you mention.

*Update - Just checked out trulia and see what you mean about the interaction of both multiple consumers and industry pros. This does seem beneficial. 

Mar 25, 2008 04:50 AM
Frank Schulte-Ladbeck
Frank Schulte-Ladbeck Professional Real Estate Inspections - Houston, TX

Lissa- you are quite right about the media situation.  I too love to hear from my clients. My talk with my wife was about medical information and how it is presented on the web and in the hospital, which led me back to my experience on Zillow. Hence this post. AR does have something like the forum with its question section, but consumers do not post their experiences there, which I would like to encourage.

 

Rich- My experience was one of frustration, so I have not commented much on those sites, but I know others have had positive situations. Somehow, I think AR may prove better at handling such a forum than what is present at those sites. They are not bad sites, but AR has a sense of positive reinforcement that would cause a good discussion of a topic. Zillow and Trulia do monitor their sites, but it is easy for an industry professional to become disenchanted with those sites. 

Mar 25, 2008 05:59 AM
HomeFinder.com Real Estate
HomeFinder.com - Chicago, IL

Hi Frank,

I think there definitely needs to be more transparency when it comes to providing consumers with real estate information. Unfortunately sites like Zillow and Truilia are there to sell consumers on their products, not provide them with information they could use to make better home buying and selling decisions. I don't win points from real estate agents when I blog about the housing crisis on my Homescape.comsite, but I think consumers need to know the good, the bad and the ugly. I think it takes bloggers like yourself to raise the issue on a public forum to help better educate consumers on issues like new home inspection  regulations.

Amy Le, Homescape.com

Mar 25, 2008 06:00 AM
Frank Schulte-Ladbeck
Frank Schulte-Ladbeck Professional Real Estate Inspections - Houston, TX
Hello Amy. Yes, I am all in favor of transparency; I think it makes our industry stronger. Moreover, you bring up a good point about the selling of products. It should have occurred to me to include that fact in the post. I think that I should go back more actively to such forums, because if I am not advocating for my profession, how can I expect anyone else to do so?
Mar 25, 2008 06:06 AM
Joe Hayden Real Estate Team
RE/MAX Properties East - Louisville, KY
Your Louisville Real Estate Experts!
Frank - Are you proposing a Q&A section on AR like Zillow?  Is there one on Localism I have not seen?  Probably would be a good idea...
Mar 25, 2008 12:06 PM
Joe Hayden Real Estate Team
RE/MAX Properties East - Louisville, KY
Your Louisville Real Estate Experts!
Frank - Are you proposing a Q&A section on AR like Zillow?  Is there one on Localism I have not seen?  Probably would be a good idea...
Mar 25, 2008 12:06 PM
Jo Olson
HOMEFRONT Realty - Kettle Falls, WA
Retired - HOMEFRONT Realty @ LAKE Roosevelt
Frank, I really enjoyed your article. I applaud you for trying to take part in a discussion and sad that no one would listen. I have not participated in the "agent/agent" type forums over at Zillow or Trulia because there is just too much "drama". I can tell from your words that you are an inspector I would want to have on my team!! Congrats on the feature!! Well deserved!
Mar 25, 2008 12:09 PM
Frank Schulte-Ladbeck
Frank Schulte-Ladbeck Professional Real Estate Inspections - Houston, TX

Joe- AR has a section for consumers to ask questions, but I noticed that even though at any given moment there are more consumers on this site than real estate professionals, these consumers are not always adding their voice or some of their experiences. It would be nice to see such a forum on AR, just because I think it could be handled better here.

Jo- thank you for the compliment. I really do think it is important to educate consumers, but I also want to know their experiences, so we can improve our abilities by addressing their feelings and questions. 

Mar 25, 2008 12:38 PM
Joe Virnig
RE/MAX Gold Coast REALTORS, Ventura County, California - Ventura, CA
No Ordinary Joe
All you can do is do the job you're supposed to do.  Your customer is the buyer and they need to know every nitpicking detail. This is a pretty polite forum but the things I see on the local newspaper site are just a bunch of mean folks with too much time on their hands.  And the same is apparently true on Zillow and Trulia.
Mar 25, 2008 03:17 PM
Wayne B. Pruner
Oregon First - Tigard, OR
Tigard Oregon Homes for Sale, Realtor, GRI
Just keep reporting what needs to be reported. People coming from other parts of the country might be quite surprised about the building and zoning codes in Texas!
Mar 25, 2008 03:53 PM
Lane Bailey
Century 21 Results Realty - Suwanee, GA
Realtor & Car Guy

If there was just more education...

You ARE duty bound to report the issue, but if something met code at the time it was made, and still meets that code, it isn't defective.  That is where the education comes in.  I have had to deal with buyers agents that think there is some legal requirement that everything in every house needs to be brought up to the current code by the seller... just isn't true.  

And... the wild west was generally safer than Washington, DC.   

Mar 25, 2008 04:06 PM
Bob & Carolin Benjamin
Benjamin Realty LLC - Gold Canyon, AZ
East Phoenix Arizona Homes
Am sure that there will continue to be more and more changes as the media evolves. Will be interesting to watch and see.
Mar 25, 2008 04:44 PM
Kirk Westervelt
Van West Realty - Greenville, SC Realtor -Short Sale Expert! - Greenville, SC
Kirk Westervelt, Broker In Charge, Van West Realty - CDPE - Short Sale Agent - Home for Sale - Greenville, Simpsonvil...
Frank, excellent blog! Something to consider, I agree!
Mar 25, 2008 05:16 PM
Frank Schulte-Ladbeck
Frank Schulte-Ladbeck Professional Real Estate Inspections - Houston, TX

Joe- yes some forums are a bit out of control; that is why I decided to posit my thought here.

Wayne- To be honest about my state, national news will highlight areas where we are behind, but one area where we seem to be moving ahead of many others is in some aspects of real estate rules. I have not found a state yet that does not have a set of building codes on their books, but states have no way to enforce these codes statewide. Texas has basically deputized real estate inspectors to do the job for them, quite clever.

Lane- I always inform my clients that the seller is under no obligation to deal with the items on my list. They can ask, but they cannot force. The requirement in my state is that at a minimum, there are certain safety issues, like anti-siphon devices, smoke detectors, or GFCI outlets, have to be reported on. The idea is that at some point a homeowner has to be made aware of these issues, and it is up to them to deal with them.

Bob&Carol- so many changes are underfoot, that I agree with you, it will be interesting to see the changes.

Kirk- thank you for dropping in. I am glad that I gave you something to mull over. 

Mar 25, 2008 10:25 PM
Rebecca Levinson, Real Estate Marketing and Online Advertising Consultant
Real Skillz-Clear Marketing for Your Real Estate Vision - Lake Geneva, WI
We cannot expect an average consumer to know about code requirements, grandfathered exceptions, etc.  That is what a good real estate expert with a team of professionals brings to the table.  A consumer/professional format is good, but this will still not reach the main populous.  It will reach some, but it also comes with educating the consumer when they buy and when they sell.  Also, when you reach out to your SOI, including this information in newsletters is a good idea.  This would provide reasonable value.
Mar 26, 2008 05:56 AM
Frank Schulte-Ladbeck
Frank Schulte-Ladbeck Professional Real Estate Inspections - Houston, TX
Rebecca- my consideration is that more consumers are coming onto the web for information (currently around 62% in my area), while others who are here are setting themselves up as experts (whether for medical treatments or real estate). In some cases this causes problems, but in can also be good. That is why I wish to engage the consumer to respond, comment, and let us hear from them, so we can guide them to a better understanding, as they guide us as well. This will obviously have to be done by many means, but I would like to see a better consumer involvement here in the Rain.
Mar 26, 2008 09:24 AM
Christy Powers
Keller Williams Coastal Area Partners - Pooler, GA
Pooler, Savannah Real Estate Agent
It is hard to explain why we have to do the things we do. And I am sure sellers feel they are being picked on and bullied by newer homes. It's just a hard place to be in.
Mar 26, 2008 01:59 PM
Joseph Ellman
Realty Executives- Williams-Sykes Realty - Poughkeepsie, NY

Frank - Excellent post!  You present very valid ideas for handling and dispensing important information for the consumer.

Mar 26, 2008 09:25 PM
Frank Schulte-Ladbeck
Frank Schulte-Ladbeck Professional Real Estate Inspections - Houston, TX

Christy- very true. I avoid saying the state made me do it, which would be the truth. I attempt to explain the reasoning behind what I report on. So far, only one seller was truly angry; most understand.

Joseph- thank you Joseph. All we can do is try to reach out to them. 

Mar 26, 2008 09:41 PM