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Taking the stand through time-Laundry Standpipes and Washing Machines

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Home Inspector with NCW Home Inspections, LLC

Taking the stand through time- Laundry Standpipes and Washing Machines.

 

When purchasing an older homes most buyers will be having unique challenges as homeowners, trying to fit in some of the normal appliances and conveniences that are normal in modern life into a structure where many of these conveniences were not even conceived at the time of build.

 

Unless some updates have been made to the major components, plumbing and electrical, the home may not be ready to accept the new appliances or conveniences.

 

Let’s start with one of the greatest conveniences of modern life… The Washing Machine.





The earliest know motorized washing machines appear in the early 1900’s. Most attribute this invention of labor savings and convenience to Alva J. Fisher. This may not be quite accurate and there is some evidence to think there may have been others before him. But he had the first mass produced washer, the “Thor Washing Machine”.

 

( The Thor Washing Machine )

 

We take for granted this item and how much it saves us time. Washing clothes is really pretty darn easy today.



 

But like many things these machines evolved and with that the plumbing system needs to be upgraded to handle them.

 

So in comes the “Standpipe”. This is the plumbing receptor for the discharge of the washing machine.  The current standard is the standpipe should be 2 inch in diameter, many earlier standpipes were 1-½ inch pipe. Even though the new washers use less water they pump it out much faster rate and can overrun a 1-½ standpipe.

 




Per UPC (Universal Plumbing Code) the Standpipe should not be more than 30” or less than 18” above trap, no trap should be  installed below floor and the trap should be installed 6” to 18” above floor.



Here is a couple of examples of a common issue when buying an older home. Both are from pre 1940’s homes. In both cases there was an attempt to add a new laundry appliance, the washer to the older plumbing system. In these examples they failed to get it right.

 

Example one- Attaching the washer to the old waste stack, though it most definitely can handle the discharge rate, there is no trap and we are getting sewer gases into the home.

 

   

 

Example two- Attaching a untrapped standpipe to the existing laundry sink piping. Well this one again has no trap and the standpipe is way too short.

 



When buying older homes there will most likely be needed or desired upgrades. And something like just getting a new washer quickly becomes a bit more complicated and some thought will be needed when making these installations.



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Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

I survived the washing machines with rollers.  The first automatics were pretty bad and broke down often. 

They're very good today.

May 23, 2014 08:11 AM
Donald Hester
NCW Home Inspections, LLC - Wenatchee, WA
NCW Home Inspections, LLC

Lenn, We had one with rollers when I was a kid also. I wondered how many got hurt with those darn things. I remember playing around with it and send stuff through the rollers for fun.

May 23, 2014 08:24 AM
Evelyn Johnston
Friends & Neighbors Real Estate - Elkhart, IN
The People You Know, Like and Trust!

I actually have not seen a standpipe in a home in a very long time.

May 23, 2014 10:52 AM
TeamCHI - Complete Home Inspections, Inc.
Complete Home Inspections, Inc. - Brentwood, TN
Home Inspectons - Nashville, TN area - 615.661.029

Good evening Donald. I see this quite often in older properties. Okay for the time, not now.

May 23, 2014 11:10 AM
Donald Hester
NCW Home Inspections, LLC - Wenatchee, WA
NCW Home Inspections, LLC

Evelyn, They are there, they are just in the wall now and all you see the laundry box on the wall.

Michael, Yeah, this is where I see them also. They just are ready for the high discharge rate of some of the new washers.

May 23, 2014 11:29 AM
Laura Cerrano
Feng Shui Manhattan Long Island - Locust Valley, NY
Certified Feng Shui Expert, Speaker & Researcher
The similarities between washing machines and toilets is quite remarkable.
May 23, 2014 04:42 PM
Chris Griffith
Downing-Frye Realty, Bonita Springs, FL - Bonita Springs, FL
Bonita Springs Listing Specialist - Agent

Wow, since we're spoiled with so much new product here we don't see stuff like that!  I've had one home with cast plumbing and cloth wire in 16 years of sales.

On a side note, my mom did have both a new washer and an old wringer washer.  For some reason she liked to wash clothes in the old one first, then the new one.

May 23, 2014 08:30 PM
Donald Hester
NCW Home Inspections, LLC - Wenatchee, WA
NCW Home Inspections, LLC

Laura, It really is amazing when you think about it how far we have come in plumbing.

Chris, We should not take for granted these modern marvels ;)

May 23, 2014 09:12 PM
Michael Setunsky
Woodbridge, VA
Your Commercial Real Estate Link to Northern VA

Donald, we rented an older house a few years back. I don't know what was worse the plumbing or the electrical system. Our washing machine drained into the sump pump and out into the back yard.

May 23, 2014 10:40 PM
Joe Petrowsky
Mortgage Consultant, Right Trac Financial Group, Inc. NMLS # 2709 - Manchester, CT
Your Mortgage Consultant for Life

Good morning Donald. I buy a lot of older homes that I flip, they always a challenge, but somehow we make them work with all new appliances. Your photos are neat.

Thank you for commenting on my post.

May 24, 2014 12:10 AM
Donald Hester
NCW Home Inspections, LLC - Wenatchee, WA
NCW Home Inspections, LLC

Micheal, You had a gray water irrigation system ;)

Joe, Thank you for the comment. You can make the new appliances work but often you have to do some changes.

May 24, 2014 12:20 AM
Than Maynard
Coldwell Banker Heart of Oklahoma - Purcell, OK
Broker - Licensed to List & Sell - 405-990-8862

Heh, love the dryer vent running up the wall. Nice resistance with the expandable tubing.

May 24, 2014 01:07 AM
Debb Janes
Nature As Neighbors - Camas, WA
Put My Love of Nature At Work for You

Fun post Donald. " We've come a long way baby!"  As much as I appreciate the classic and nostalgic vintage look, much prefer today's efficient models.

May 24, 2014 02:18 AM
Bruce Kunz
C21 Solid Gold Realty, Brick, NJ, 732-920-2100 - Howell, NJ
REALTOR®, Brick & Howell NJ Homes for Sale

Great Post, Donald!  You're walk through history while making the point is always easy (and interesting) reading.
Thanks for sharing and teaching a little more,
Bruce

 

May 24, 2014 06:29 AM
Donald Hester
NCW Home Inspections, LLC - Wenatchee, WA
NCW Home Inspections, LLC

Than, You like, how about the wire dangling there also. Adds to the ambiance.

 

Debb, Thank you. I am with you on many of the modern conveniences.

Bruce, Thanks. I think it keeps all a little more appreciative of our modern homes. Hey they may no be perfect either but they have come a long way.

May 24, 2014 08:40 AM
1~Judi Barrett
Integrity Real Estate Services 116 SE AVE N, Idabel, OK 74745 - Idabel, OK
BS Ed, Integrity Real Estate Services -IDABEL OK

Donald, those are some pretty nasty laundry areas..  It's amazing that something that is supposed to clean is allowed to be so dirty.. :) 

May 24, 2014 10:19 AM
Donald Hester
NCW Home Inspections, LLC - Wenatchee, WA
NCW Home Inspections, LLC

Judi, That can be the case sometimes. I may have to do a blog about one incident I had that makes me giggle a bit.

May 24, 2014 12:16 PM