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Dave Ramsey Is Wrong About the VA Loan

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Mortgage and Lending with First Heritage Mortgage NMLS #: 938761

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I’ve been doing a lot of reading on Dave Ramsey’s website lately as one of my colleagues is a fan.  I have to say that I like much of what he writes about living debt free and money management, but I found one thing while reading today that I did not agree with.

What Dave Is Wrong About…

Dave is not a fan of the VA loan.  And, he makes a claim on his website that is simply not true: “VA interest rates are usually higher than conventional loans.”  In fact, VA loan interest rates are often times much lower than conventional interest rates, from a .25% to a full 1% lower, depending on the characteristics of the loan and the borrower’s credit score.

I priced out a loan amount of $190k with an LTV of 95% and a credit score of 740 today, and the VA loan was a half point lower in this scenario.  Yes, there may be scenarios where the rates are similar or even where the VA interest rate is a little higher, however, a blanket statement that VA interest rates are usually higher than conventional loans is just plain inaccurate.

What Dave Is Also Wrong About…

Dave also says that “VA loans have a lot of fees.”  The VA loan has one fee, the funding fee.  It varies based on the type of loan and veteran status. You can see the chart here which explains the different fee percentages.  Some veterans are also exempt from the funding fee.

Other than the funding fee, all of the other fees are the same as any other loan.  So, there’s one additional fee above and beyond a conventional loan ( FHA has its own version of this fee).  And, based on the scenario above with a 740 credit score, it would cost a borrower 3.5 points to get the VA interest rate that was a half point lower on the conventional loan product.  3.5 points based on a $190,000 loan would be $6,650 which is higher than the VA funding fee could ever be based on the chart as the range is from 0%(exempt) to 3.3%.

Also, the VA limits certain fees that lenders are normally allowed to charge the borrower as explained here, so you could end up paying less in fees than with another loan.

What I Think…

The VA loan product may not always be the best option for a borrower; however, a lot of the time it is.  I don’t think that because of its funding fee you should disregard it completely as a viable option for financing your home purchase.  I also don’t agree with Dave’s blanket statement that VA loans are a trap.  When used properly, borrowers can save a lot of money over the life of the loan with lower interest rates than they would be able to qualify for going the conventional route.  Also, if they have less than 20% to put down, they could save a small fortune in mortgage insurance.

When you select the best mortgage product for you, so many factors need to be taken into consideration: your down payment, how long you anticipate living in the home, etc.  A good mortgage advisor will review these factors when recommending different mortgage options for you using amortization calculators to figure out how much you will end up paying for the home in the long run.  A VA loan might be right for you and it might not, but there is not a one size fits all product when it comes to mortgages.

What I Like About Dave…

I like his take on the 15 year mortgage and that more home buyers should consider them.   Many borrowers get a 30 year thinking they’ll make extra payments, and then life happens: their car breaks down, their dog eats their couch, their roof needs to be repaired, etc.  Those extra payments they were going to make go down the drain.  When you get a 15 year mortgage, you have to make those payments, so you will.

If you have any questions about what mortgage product is the best for you, please contact me.  I am licensed to work with borrowers in the entire state of Virginia.  I can also refer you to other mortgage advisors I know and trust on the East Coast.

This post was originally blogged on March 23, 2014 on my outside blog Loan Officer Lately..

Nevin Williams
Fairway Independent Mortgage Corporation - Cary, NC
Senior Mortgage Advisor

You hit a nerve with this post.  (I agree with you!)

I do not like Dave Ramsey's advice.  He is a nice man and his advice is fine for people who are beginners at managing money or those who have to spend every penny they get but I disagree with many of his beliefs and strategies. 

 His one size fits all advice leaves a lot to be desired.  Great example: He always proclaims that paying off a mortgage is the best idea.  I can prove easily why he is wrong.  - if you have a rate of 4.25% and make over 70,000 you can expect to get some of the interest you pay back in taxes by reducing your taxable income (reducing basis).  Assume it is 25% (maybe it is 20%) I'll use 25% since many home owners fall into this bracket.  4.25% - 25% = 3.19% effective rate.  This is the approximate rate of interest after you consider the tax consequences.  It isn't an exact formula but used to make a point.

 Most of my tax deferred investments are pulling well over 7% annual returns.  I'd rather make 7%+ return safely invested than save 3.19% and tie up all of my money. Over time if the money is invested adds up to be a huge amount of money.  "Experts" tell you not to put all of your eggs in one basket.  But Ramsey tells you to make extra payments and pay off your home. That is one big basket.

If you pay off your home most or all of your money is tied up in real estate. There’s a great example of diversification right Dave? 

Your money is not liquid. If you send extra money each month to reduce principal and don’t have a year of regular income saved in cash you better carry good long and short term disability insurance to avoid running up credit cards in the event you get hurt and cannot work.  

What if you pay off your home and it is destroyed due to earthquake, sinkhole, land slide?  Guess what, most of these events are not covered under homeowners insurance.  You have to pay extra money to get these coverages.  Sorry Dave I think you are WRONG.

VA loans have much lower rates than any other loan program, period. I have rate sheets from 17 lenders that prove VA loan rates are lower.  

Unless the VA loan rates are higher than what an average conservative investor can make invested in the stock and bond market, the VA loan is absolutely the best loan available.    Sorry Dave you are WRONG again.

 I guess when you are a celebrity you can invent stuff like this.

 I also personally think it is incomprehensible that he charges lenders to be able to advertise on Dave's website as an "endorsed lender".  Whatever Dave.  Tell the truth, you're using your name to make money and have no control over the lenders who pay you to advertise on your website.  Why not advertise that fact?

You can add Suze Ormon to my list of "one size fits all" financial advisers that I also disagree with.

 

Yes they do have some good advice but all in all you can find a much better financial adviser with real solutions tailored to your specific needs in your community.  I have so much more to add but it isn't my post.  Ok, I'm done ranting : )

 

Aug 06, 2014 10:52 AM
Whitney Watson
First Heritage Mortgage - Henrico, VA

Nevin Williams Sounds like you may have a topic for your next blog post! ;-)

Aug 06, 2014 12:26 PM
Jenn Hart
Jefferson Properties - Richmond, VA
Richmond, VA, REALTOR®, 804-317-7997

Your graphic is a hoot.  Thanks for the 411 on VA loans!

Aug 06, 2014 01:12 PM
Praful Thakkar
LAER Realty Partners - Burlington, MA
Metro Boston Homes For Sale

Whitney Watson everyone has a right to have an opinion - not to judge what is right or wrong. (And arguments can go on forever....)

Aug 06, 2014 02:41 PM
Laura Cerrano
Feng Shui Manhattan Long Island - Locust Valley, NY
Certified Feng Shui Expert, Speaker & Researcher

Healthy debate is great as opposed to a shouting match. Good luck!

Aug 06, 2014 03:48 PM
Anonymous
Don Kolenda

Great post. I think it is good to challenge the status quo especially when you have valid facts. Heard a quote "change the way you look at things and the things you look at change."

Thanks for sharing a different perspective.

Aug 06, 2014 04:25 PM
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Amanda Thomas
Providence Group Realty - Plano, TX
​Broker, SRES®, BPOR, MCNE, ​Certified DRS Agent™

Whitney Watson, you are 100% correct! Many of my clients are followers of Dave Ramsey, and although I appreciate and respect what he teaches, there ARE advantages to leveraging debt. 

Aug 06, 2014 11:15 PM
Jeff Wilmoth
Barrett Financial Group, LLC - Senoia, GA
If you need a mortgage, call us! 404-597-5662.

Interesting.  Are we now to assume Dave is a licensed mortgage originator?  His philosophies are perfect for millionaires, while the rest of us need credit...

Aug 07, 2014 01:52 AM
Lori Cain
Own Tulsa - Tulsa, OK
Midtown Tulsa Real Estate Top Producer

I do not like Dave Ramsey's advice either. 

My friend refinanced at 15 years to get lower rate, then other income-earner died unexpectadly. Tough time making that payment.

And I listed a house whose Seller interviewed all 3 Realtors Dave Ramsey recommended for our area. After she interviewed me, she said, "I believe you are the only one that has a marketing PLAN to sell my home."  And, I did sell her home.  Yet, I can't get on Dave's recommened Realtor list because I don't agree that a Buyer should ALWAYS take a 15-year note????

Love your graphic.

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Aug 07, 2014 11:52 AM
Claude Labbe
RLAH / @properties - Washington, DC
Realty for Your Busy Life

Fully with you on the 15 vs 30 year mortgage.

From my perspective, the VA loan is a good option, not always the best, but surely if a servicemember qualifies, they should consider it as one of their options.  If it delivers a solution better than their other alternatives, great.  If not, then leave it aside.  As the lender, you've got to let them know of all options.

Now...I wonder if this blog has shown up in Dave's radar.

Aug 08, 2014 11:48 AM
Charles Stallions
Charles Stallions Real Estate Services - Pensacola, FL
850-476-4494 - Pensacola, Pace or Gulf Breeze, Fl.

I suppose no one can be right all the time but I think his program should be taught in the schools. 

Aug 08, 2014 01:07 PM
Kevin J. May
Florida Supreme Realty - Hobe Sound, FL
Serving the Treasure & Paradise Coasts of Florida

Whitney, this is an excellent share.  If only there was one great product to fulfill our various consumer's needs.  Your points are well taken and I commend you for addressing them so politely.  I'm a fan of VA financing so this made perfect sense to my local market while Dave's assessment is forced into a generalized one.  No pun intended.   

Aug 08, 2014 09:16 PM
Joy Roussell
Sugar Land, TX
Dedicated Realtor

Very interesting points! Thanks for the awesome and informative post! 

Aug 09, 2014 09:26 AM
Anonymous
Brooke

This was very helpful. Thank you, Whitney.

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"Many borrowers get a 30 year thinking they’ll make extra payments, and then life happens: their car breaks down, their dog eats their couch, their roof needs to be repaired, etc. Those extra payments they were going to make go down the drain. When you get a 15 year mortgage, you have to make those payments, so you will".

I think you and Dave are both wrong about this! 15 year loans are foolish. The whole point of getting a 30 year is for cash flow reasons. That extra money could go into better yielding investments and you should never pay a nickel more on the minimum mortgage payments. It'll build more wealth over time and give you a bigger cushion if a real setback happens.

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https://www.scarpero.com/dave-ramsey-is-wrong-about-va-loans/

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