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Stairs - Built Today The Code Requires A Newer Standard

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Home Inspector with Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC 3380-000723

Stairs - built today the code requires a newer standard.

It used to be that stairs were higher and narrower.  They were supposed to be no higher than 8 1/4" and the tread 9" wide.  And the height of each step could not vary by more than 3/8"

Things have changed.  Built today  the height requirement is 7 3/4" or less (baby boomers with bad knees wanted that one I bet) and to accommodate larger feet the tread width is extended to 10".  Still the height of each step should not vary by more than 3/8".

I said "built today."

"Built today"  is a term in our vernacular, our way of speaking, our everyday language that means "currently," or "in our time."

It does not literally mean built today...

I say that because on a pre-drywall inspection I saw a new staircase built last month.

That qualifies it as meeting the standard of "built today."

IT IS MADE OF CONCRETE.

The stair height varied from 5" at the bottom to 10" at the top!  The tread depth varied from 8 1/2" to 5"!  And the width on the side nearest the camera is different than the far side!

Built today  the code requires a newer standard, but neither the older or newer code would approve of this!  Is this a joke?  Maybe it's a test to see if people are paying attention.

I can hardly wait to see how this one is resolved (short of tearing this out and starting again).  Concrete cannot be veneered on top of other concrete if it is less than 4".  It will crack and break.  It will not stick long term.  If they try that I know what the final inspection report will say. 

And if it says that, guess who the builder will be angry with?

My recommendation:  people often ask me what things are typically found on a pre-drywall inspection.  The answer is - nothing is typical!  There is no consistency of findings.  Things found can be anything and everything!  I don't remember seeing a front porch staircase like this, so this might be atypical.  But still, it lends to the fun of the experience!  My job never gets dull.  Especially the way things are built today...

 

 

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Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC  

Based in Bristow, serving all of Northern Virginia.

Office (703) 330-6388   Cell (703) 585-7560

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Comments (44)

Barbara Altieri
Better Homes and Gardens RE Shore and Country Properties - Shelton, CT
REALTOR-Fairfield County CT Homes/Condos For Sale

What IS that, Jay?  Certainly an accident waiting to happen for anyone not paying attention.  Looks like the mason was under the influence of something.

Sep 18, 2014 10:07 AM
Chuck Mixon
The Keyes Company - Cutler Bay, FL
Cutler Bay Specialist, GRI, CDPE, BPOR

People wonder why the code is so rigi like the raise can't vary more then 3/8 of an inch. Well when you experience it first hand you learn why quickly. There is this apartment complex that every time I go up the stairs I stumbled the first 3-4 time going up. It was because the 4 step was one inch different then the first two steps. After  3-4 stumbles I learn to walk these stairs  different BIGGER STEPS!   Great post Jay.

Sep 18, 2014 10:09 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

It is surely that Barbara.  Poor work indeed.  Under the influence of lala land.

Chuck - that mental height memory really works and people trip all the time because of it.  Good thing you remember those stairs!

Sep 18, 2014 10:16 AM
Ed Silva, 203-206-0754
Mapleridge Realty, CT 203-206-0754 - Waterbury, CT
Central CT Real Estate Broker Serving all equally

Well they might be able to salvage that but it will have a longer landing and a lot mor rebar

Sep 18, 2014 11:02 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Maybe a nice long ramp Ed?  Or escalator!  That would work.  This is an interesting feature of the house!

Sep 18, 2014 11:23 AM
Joan Whitebook
BHG The Masiello Group - Nashua, NH
Consumer Focused Real Estate Services

Looks like the building contractor needs to get his eyes checked.

Sep 18, 2014 11:43 AM
Laura Cerrano
Feng Shui Manhattan Long Island - Locust Valley, NY
Certified Feng Shui Expert, Speaker & Researcher
At least check the stairs every few years on a commonsense level.
Sep 18, 2014 01:53 PM
Praful Thakkar
LAER Realty Partners - Burlington, MA
Metro Boston Homes For Sale

Jay Markanich well, this is a safety hazard, correct?

(And just wondering why some of them don't get the job done professionally, as per standard.)

Sep 18, 2014 02:42 PM
Donald Hester
NCW Home Inspections, LLC - Wenatchee, WA
NCW Home Inspections, LLC

Jay, Holy smokes that is a mess. There is just no reason for that kind of work.

Sep 18, 2014 02:50 PM
Tom Arstingstall, General Contractor, Dry Rot, Water Damage Sacramento, El Dorado County - (916) 765-5366
Dry Rot and Water Damage www.tromlerconstruction.com Mobile - 916-765-5366 - Placerville, CA
General Contractor, Dry Rot and Water Damage

You get all the fun inspections Jay. I love seeing things like this, it is almost unbelievable.

Sep 18, 2014 05:18 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Eyes and spatial perception Joan!

Laura - these stairs are concrete so once done, they are done!  Best to do them right...

Quite the safety concern Praful!  Why not do it professionally?  That's what the builder is supposed to do.

Don - there was nothing straight or consistent.  Pulling up to the house I laughed in my car.

Tom - just when you think you've seen it all ... well, you haven't seen it all!

Sep 18, 2014 06:41 PM
James Dray
Fathom Realty - Bentonville, AR

I know you see things wrong everyday and some that just needs to be updated.  But this come on man the builder is not blind but it looks like he hoped you were. 

Sep 18, 2014 08:23 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

This one is hard to miss James!  But my client had not noticed it when visiting the house.  So I asked him to climb up...

Sep 18, 2014 09:03 PM
Sally K. & David L. Hanson
EXP Realty 414-525-0563 - Brookfield, WI
WI Real Estate Agents - Luxury - Divorce

They would have been better off with a slide...ramp....anything other than this major trip hazzard

Sep 18, 2014 09:30 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

A ramp would be great S&D!  And easier to install, for sure.

Sep 18, 2014 10:08 PM
Rob Ernst
Certified Structure Inspector - Reno, NV
Reno, NV-775-410-4286 Inspector & Energy Auditor

That's a great picture. I remember a set of steps here that took 3 times to get right. Some poor guy got stuck doing allot of jackhammering. 

Sep 18, 2014 11:29 PM
Patricia Kennedy
RLAH@properties - Washington, DC
Home in the Capital

Jay, ouch!  This one makes my knees hurt!  Somebody was drunk or stoned.

Sep 19, 2014 04:53 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

That's the only way Rob.  You can't veneer it!

Pat - the steps made my knees hurt too!  What poor work.

Sep 19, 2014 06:26 AM
Sharon Tara
Sharon Tara Transformations - Portsmouth, NH
Retired New Hampshire Home Stager

Ok, even I can see this isn't right, LOL.  Oh the things you must see!

Sep 21, 2014 11:53 PM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

We do have fun Sharon!

Sep 22, 2014 12:42 AM