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Why Zillow and Trulia Merging is Good for Realtors® and the Public!

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Real Estate Agent BR506231000

KW Mega Camps Meeting

Keller Williams Mega Camp Meeting 2014

 

Ordinarily, I don't comment on the goings on at a particular company meeting.  However, this one featured an very powerful question and answer session between Keller Williams Director of Research Brett Smith who acted as the moderator. Greg Schwartz, chief revenue officer for Zillow; Nick Bailey, senior vice president of strategic partnership at Trulia; Russ Cofano, senior vice president of industry relations at Move; and Jason Tang, KW’s executive director of technology.

If you are an agent, you doubtless have either heard, or have some pretty strong feelings about the joining of Zillow and Trulia. From my work on my Real Estate Podcast, I hear a lot of concerns.  They generally fall into a few categories.

  • They don't appreciate the listing info being transferred to a third party to have the leads it generates sold to others.
  • They feel that Zillow's different "Make me Move" and easy ability to put their home on the Internet (notice I did not say market) is irritating.
  • They dislike the inaccuracy, and feel as though that they may be legally responsible for errors contained therein.
  • Inaccuracies in pricing.  For example, Zestimate.
  • Perceptions as to the "Decentralization" of the agent role.
  • People having trouble paying their mortgage, or danger of foreclosure getting incorrect information

While our feelings, accurate or not, are certainly ours to have; as a Real Estate Professional, our concerns should always be first and foremost on those of our clients.  On that, I think we would all agree.

So far so good?

Now that we all agree that the needs of the client comes first, now we must address the more "Sticky" issues of "How" in an Internet world.  

The reason why Zillow has grown to such epic proportions is because they have accurately identified a major need in our industry.  A need for easy, quick, no hassle information.

 

With the advent of the Internet, our industry has been slow to adopt a more progressive attitude towards customer service as it relates to the Web 2.0 world.  Evidence of this is clear as Realtor.com has suffered a shocking loss of confidence as Realtors® still pour money into their ad campaigns in Zillow.  

 

In short, people have voted with their pocketbooks.

 

While the nice platitudes sounded by the clarions on social media compel and cry out for a restriction of data being sent to Zillow (currently, Zillow is in a disagreement with a MLS in Tennessee.), they fall hollow in the face of the cooperation between agencies like Keller Williams have made agreements with Zillow to ensure that their customers do not suffer from a short sighted MLS.

 

That's right.  I said it. A short sighted MLS.

Now, from the article I've read in Inman News about this, I've probably aggravated at least 49% of you.

 

Now that I've Got Your Attention...

 

Your Centers of Influence use Zillow and sites like it to find out various information.  Many times, it is about the value.  As a matter of fact, here is a screenshot of just how many times the words "Home Value"; "Value my House"; and "How much is my home worth" are used in a search on Google alone.

 

Home Value keywords

 

As a buyer the searching on Google is clearly a lot more active... 

Buyer traffic

 

So then the question seems to be... with over 55,000 searches on Google alone per month on the process, Why do we get so worked up over Zillow taking data (which we want out to the public), sharing it, and then making money on it?

 

The answer is clear.

 

Agents are scared.

 

You should be.

 

If your sole claim to fame is that your business is directly derived from the Internet or Internet Leads, then yes.  You will be commoditized.  After all, isn't that kind of what you expect?  If all you really do is drive people around and write out a pre-filled contract and collect a check, then you bet.  You can expect companies like Allre to take your place. It's simply inevitable.  I mean, how many telephone operators do you really need these days? 

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The "Dirty Secret"

 

Here's the dirty secret I've learned in 18 years of "in the trenches" with you.  I remember a time before the Internet.  When you actually had to go outside the office to sell a house. You have to see the people.  

When you develop the relationships in Real Estate, between the Buyers and the Sellers as you develop your career, the seasoned pro's know that you become their Zillow.  Through constant communication, education, and service AFTER the sale, then Zillow becomes nothing more than a distraction.

For the professional salesperson, The Zillow and Trulia merger is not a threat to their business.  They know that if anything, the merger of the two will ultimately result in their Zestimate Accuracy going up which could certainly benefit the market.  

However, every listing agent knows, no matter what Zestimate, or your CMA, or the appraisal you just got from the buyer says, it's only worth what the Seller thinks it's worth. This usually depends on the number! 

 

For the Distressed Homeowner

 

For the distressed homeowner facing foreclosure however, looking for their home's value quickly without trying to be scientific about it... (They do that) Zillow is their first pick to get a 30,000 foot view. The more motivated they get, the more likely they are to contact an agent locally, or get an offer from an investor.

In the final scheme of things, our value as an agent depends largely on our sales skills, as well as our abilities to negotiate, and get what our clients want.  Which is either a property bought or sold. 

 

Kanye West/Taylor Swift VMAHow do you respond when you disagree?

 

The success of that will depend on how we respond as an industry.  We can be gracious in this apparent "setback" in this emerging technology, and then come back stronger by improving our platforms and what we offer as an industry (which is a lot).

Or will we act out of fear by restricting data, and playing games that do nothing but distract us from the real issues?

I fear however, it will be up to individual Brokerages taking the leadership role from the MLS and ensuring that our customers and clients have every opportunity to find their home, or sell their home. 

Squabbles within the industry over data and MLS feeds only serve to convince the public that the Realtor® community is more interested in it's own protection, than the advancement of our clients.  As such, our leadership must make serious commitments to the advancement of our membership in a Web 2.0 world else we suffer even more loss.

 

 

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Unfortunately the younger generation is not as interested in building a relationship with an agent as they are getting information easily through the internet. Yes, they will hire an agent eventually, but they will probably hire their agent over the internet with no initial face to face meeting.

Sep 19, 2014 05:31 AM
Karl Krentzel
Tucson, AZ

I woud agree with the age variance when it comes to younger AGENTS wanting to work through the computer to find someone.  However I would respectfully disagree if we are talking about buyers.

Although it is true that the "younger generation" is more apt to use technology to locate their house, a vast majority of the 5.1 million sales or so are to those who want the services of a competent agent.  

If one is acting as a Buyer's Agent, then it is frightfully easy to be commodotized as I mentioned in the article.  It becomes problematic because it is physically more demanding to be a Buyers agent, it is technically more difficult to be a Listing agent with a large inventory.  Hence the prevalence of Buyer's agents.

For the Listing agent, these are purely irrelevant factors anyway as the sign in the yard provides the most convincing marketing of all.

But thanks for taking the time to provide your view! 

 

 

Sep 19, 2014 05:49 AM
Jon Kolsky
Kolsky Realty & Management - Long Beach, CA
Licensed California Real Estate Broker

Karl Krentzel ~ I hope it's OK to feel the exact opposite.... With all respect, I appreciate your post, but with that said I could not be further away from your conclusion...

First, Z is a media company that provides inaccurate information to the public, and not only do they provide inaccurate information, but they also lack transparency. Between the lack of transparency and inaccurate information "Z" does way more harm then good, and don't take my word for it, look no further then Ednia Realty   

The reason why we get a million phone calls by Z sales representatives telling us "it's our luck day" because they just had an opening in the area is simple, "if" you take all the agents that become a premiere agent on Z, you will find that 95 % of them feel it was a ripoff  and won't do it a second time around... 

The only thing Z has going for them is attracting eye balls to their site, but lets not forget most of the folks go on to the site to complain about the erroneous information (and or) homeowners complaining about the inaccurate zestimate that's placed on their homes.

Z is in the business of selling agents ad space in the form of zip codes/listing back to us, and from where I stand that's a losing proposition all the way around...

I really like this recent article and I feel this sums up Z best, anyway, now you know where I stand.... 

Sep 19, 2014 06:33 AM
Karl Krentzel
Tucson, AZ

It's ok with me if we disagree!  It doesn't make anyone wrong.  

 

I think what I would take away from this however is that, for better or worse, Zillow is here to stay and that is because Realtor.com allowed it to happen.  

Consumers today want information.  They seek Zillow, Trulia, Zip Realty, TotalViewRealEstate and others for the information.  Why?  Because many times, it is the Realtors® who are so "Icky" on the phone when they call.

Since the industry failed (and continues to fail miserably) to return calls quick enough, a guy somewhere simply decided to fill the gap. 

It's insanity for us to think that anything else would happen.  It's called a Z"Estimate" for a reason.  Not a Z"Appraisal". 

No worries however, since they aren't going away, and the merger WILL happen, and they will get better at pricing, it is my opinion that Realtors® would be best served by moving forward and establishing authority OVER Zillow in the conversations with our clients.  

i.e. "Zillow said my home was worth x"

"I appreciate the fact that Zillow said your home was worth X.  However, my buyer is willing to pay Y right now.  Are you willing to walk away from a definite Y now for a X that will never come?"

Sales skills will save us all.

Sep 19, 2014 07:10 AM
Jon Kolsky
Kolsky Realty & Management - Long Beach, CA
Licensed California Real Estate Broker

Karl Krentzel ~ thank you! I appreciate your comment, and I too echo we can see things differently just as we have the right to voice our opinion, after all "we all have them"... 

I hope you are right about Z getting better when it comes to their Zestimate, but if you check out this recent thred from Z, I have a feeling you might understand why I don't think Z want's to provide accurate information.... 

Anyway, I wish nothing but the best for all of us in the business....

Sep 19, 2014 07:17 AM
Karl Krentzel
Tucson, AZ

Well, I don't think that it is in anyones interest to disseminate erroneous information.  However, given the scope of the challenge, I would say for the following factors they have to contend with, namely:

  • Limited tax and data reporting resources to work with (Not all counties and States report sales the same)
  • Additionally the continued efforts of MLS's Nationwide to restrict the Sold data.
  • Coupled with a homeowner who would rarely agree with an appraiser

I think that they do a halfway decent job.  As to transparency, Zillow is in the business of making money.  They do that by selling ad space, traffic, and Realtors® paying for premiere placement.  It's a business model.  No different than Realtor.com, its just Realtor.com does not have the money, nor the will to compete with them.  They tried to restrict access to the information as well to the listing agents and that's (IMHO) why they got creamed.

 

Sep 19, 2014 07:33 AM