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Real Estate Broker/Owner with Daytona Condo Realty, 386-405-4408

July 22 we bought a one-bedroom condo in Hammock Beach Resort for our investor. It was won at the Tax Deed sale, which is an auction, run by the Clerk of Court of Flagler County.

The unpaid taxes with some fees were a little over $4K, and we were puzzled by the fact that the previous owner, who bought it from the bank as REO for $53K just 3 years ago, had let it slip into the Tax Deed auction.

The owner was out of country, and this probably was the reason she let it happen.

Our investor is buying for flipping, so we have prepared it minimally for sale, and listed it in both Flagler and Daytona MLS.

On Friday I received a call from the agent in Palm Coast, who told me they had an owner, who wanted to list her unit with them, but they found my listing. Yes, the lady came to the real estate office and tried to list this unit. She had no clue that this condo was sold at the auction, and that she was no longer the owner.

The agent was talking to the lady, and then told us that the lady claimed she paid every penny, and this was a mistake. I had cold sweat.

We asked the agent to relay to the lady, that she had at least a chance to claim the overages from this sale, and they were significant, as we were bidding for every penny, and bought it for $81K. Except for what was owed to the Tax Certificate holder, she could claim the difference and it is about $75K. But the law (as far as I know) only gives 60 days to claim the overage, and Monday, Sept. 22 was the last day.

That Friday afternoon we went to the resort to meet the cleaning lady. When we were inside, we heard someone trying to open the door. I opened the door and the lady walked in and asked us who the hell we were. Yep, she was the previous owner.

She said that she went to the courthouse and got a printout from the tax office and taxes were paid.

Today, on Monday, we got the information from the Tax office. Of course, the taxes were paid. The question was “who paid the taxes?” In 2011 and in 2012 the County sold Tax Certificates for this property, and the Certificate holder initiated Tax sale after holding the tax certificate for 2 years.

The lady did not know about the sale simply because her address in the tax office is an old one in Virginia, while she now live in her native Chile.

I feel so sorry for her. To buy a unit for cash, and then not making sure that every penny is paid, is a shame. She told me she would go to the attorney, and reverse the sale, but this is a dream. She won’t be able to do anything. With tax deed sales in Flagler County there is no redemption period from the moment the money is paid.

Unless, of course, this is a county mistake, which it wasn’t.

Poor lady, poor thing…

P.S. This was added Sept 23 after reading Lenn Harley's comment. While I feel sorry for the lady, if she is a victim, it is not because of the Tax laws, or the way the court operates. She is a victim of her own negligence here first and foremost. It is like with alcoholics. We may feel sorry for them, but booze is not the culprit. They are victims of their own behavior.

Pamela Seley
West Coast Realty Division - Murrieta, CA
Residential Real Estate Agent serving SW RivCo CA

Oh, wow. That is sad, a huge loss. Sounds like she didn't know, but should have known. 

Sep 22, 2014 01:32 PM
William Johnson
Retired - La Jolla, CA
Retired

Hi Jon, Sadly these things happen all too often and some of these tax laws need to be re-thought and revised to include proof of receipt of notice prior to sale.

Sep 22, 2014 01:38 PM
Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL
Daytona Condo Realty, 386-405-4408 - Daytona Beach, FL
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Pamela - to tell you the truth, I am not even sure she secured at least the money from the overage. She has limited command of English, but she also has that unique ability to listen to you and not hear you, not comprehend.

 

Sep 22, 2014 01:56 PM
Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL
Daytona Condo Realty, 386-405-4408 - Daytona Beach, FL
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William - there is more strict rules with "regular" foreclosure sales. But with Tax Sales they assume that people know they have not paid taxes for more than two years, so no leniency there... Not a bit.

it is a sad story, indeed....

Sep 22, 2014 01:57 PM
Rebecca Gaujot, Realtor®
Lewisburg, WV
Lewisburg WV, the go to agent for all real estate

Oh this is truly sad for the woman. I agree with William above about rethinking tax laws.

Sep 22, 2014 02:01 PM
Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL
Daytona Condo Realty, 386-405-4408 - Daytona Beach, FL
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Rebecca - I doubt there could be a system working for everyone. This lady lives in Chile, but she never changed the address in the tax ofice. Does the County really has to search for people all over the world?

Sep 22, 2014 02:21 PM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

Count me in the "no sympathy" category. 

When folks just let things happen, they can't expect to always have good outcomes.

Sep 22, 2014 09:21 PM
Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL
Daytona Condo Realty, 386-405-4408 - Daytona Beach, FL
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Lenn - you are right. If people get caught in situations like these, they are usually the ones who created these situations in the first place.

I did not have a shred of a doubt that this was not a court mistake. But I felt sad that she was not grasping the importance for her to go and claim the overage simply because she failed to understand the consequenses of missing the date.

Sep 23, 2014 12:54 AM
Gabe Sanders
Real Estate of Florida specializing in Martin County Residential Homes, Condos and Land Sales - Stuart, FL
Stuart Florida Real Estate

Yes, let's buy that great foreclosure condo in Daytona and forget about it and come back years later to claim our profit!

Sep 23, 2014 09:36 PM
Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL
Daytona Condo Realty, 386-405-4408 - Daytona Beach, FL
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Gabe - it is not the first time I notice that what was bought on the auction or REO for unbelievably low price, often ends the same way: foreclosure or Tax Deed sale. Take this lady. She bought this unit for $53K, just incredible. Bought for cash, no mortgage. And then failed to make sure she pays taxes...

Sep 23, 2014 11:38 PM
Yolanda Cordova-Gilbert
Richmond, TX

Jon,

 I hope you are okay! I just saw on the evening news that you are under water or is that just parts. I like those prices hmm it seems one could make good money in Daytona! I hope you are okay!

Sep 24, 2014 09:43 AM
Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL
Daytona Condo Realty, 386-405-4408 - Daytona Beach, FL
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Yolanda - I live right on the beach, and it might sound strange, but in our area the dunes are the higher than the areas around it. We are on 16-18' high dunes, so we are OK. Low lying areas see some flooding, that's true... It was raining all night, though

Sep 24, 2014 12:44 PM
Nick T Pappas
Assoc. Broker ABR, CRS, SFR, e-Pro, @Homes Realty Group, Broker/Providence Property Mgmnt, LLC Huntsville AL - Huntsville, AL
Madison & Huntsville Alabama Real Estate Resource

Jon, here in Alabama we have  a one year right of redemption at least pertaining to foreclosures, but even that wouldn't have helped her.

Sep 26, 2014 02:27 PM
Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL
Daytona Condo Realty, 386-405-4408 - Daytona Beach, FL
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Nick - obviously, no, but you have quite a long redemption period, I would say

Sep 27, 2014 02:19 PM
Endre Barath, Jr.
Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices California Properties - Beverly Hills, CA
Realtor - Los Angeles Home Sales 310.486.1002

Wow what a story hope Karma goes where it should....Endre

Sep 30, 2014 04:56 PM
Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL
Daytona Condo Realty, 386-405-4408 - Daytona Beach, FL
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Endre,

Sometimes it feels like Karma need GPS :)

Oct 07, 2014 12:50 AM