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The ActiveRain Guidelines says : "Do not advertise yourself or your services in the comment section of another member's blog post."

Comment Spam 

Rich Jacobson writes about comment spam and the AR Guidelines occasionally. Why?  Because we have so many comment spammers among us on ActiveRain.  An amazing number...   Of course some spam because they don't know better, they joined ActiveRain to promote themselves.... and have not made the connection that they are on someone else's post and the discussion there is not about what a great agent (inspector, loan officer, stager)  they are... or maybe they see other members comment spamming and getting away with it... so they give it a try.  It always seems as if Rich is preaching to the choir...doesn't it?

In his Would you Like a Side of Spam with Your Comments?" - AR Guidelines Re-Visited   Rich Jacobson wrote:

"If you encounter comment SPAM in one of your blog posts, don't automatically 'delete' the offending comment. Contact the member first through e-mail. Kindly inform them that this practice violates the ActiveRain Guidelines, and to please 'edit' their comment accordingly "

I usually ask people to remove comment spam as Rich suggests.  If they don't comply in a reasonable time I delete the comment.  Recently I asked one new member to remove his tagline from my post and got a very friendly, classy response...  he promptly removed the "tagline" and he went and removed the "tagline" from other blogs where he had left comments, he did not have to do that... IMHO ActiveRain is better when people take the time to go back and remove advertising they had previously put on other members posts.

The comment was left on my post about ActiveRain Points what are they good for? 

I asked someone else to remove the tag-line advertising herelf in a comment on the same post and this is her response: 

Message: Hey Maureen,
I deleted my blog comment with the so called 'advertisement' and I promise not to comment on your blogs again. You must be easily offended or have a WHOLE lot of time on your hands to be sending petty little emails! Good luck to you! Meantime I will be listing and selling real estate.

All the Best!

Gee I thought my email was not petty... maybe I did not say "please" edit out your tag-line advertising yourself in the comment you made on my post. I do want to thank the  comment spammer ActiveRain member for removing the comment spam from my ActiveRain blog.  I did not ask her to remove the entire comment I asked her to remove the tag-line advertising herself from the comment but obviously she was in a snit. I have every right to delete comment spam from my blogs.  Rich asked that we treat ActiveRain members differently than the common Viagra, Relic watch, gambling,  insurance, porno spammer that we get on other blogs (and once in a blue moon on ActiveRain) by sending an email.

In his post about a side of spam Rich said: (What part of 'DO NOT' do we NOT understand here?)  

"In Comment Junk Mail Rich wrote of the need some members have to promote themselves... in the comments on someone else's blog:

"Well, guess what? It's SPAM. Unwanted, unsolicited, and unnecessary. 

One other thing to keep in mind: When you're commenting on someone else's article, remember it's THEIR blog, not yours. If you really feel it necessary to promote your business, services, website, etc., then do it on YOUR own blog!" 

The comment spammer (she became a comment spammer to me when she defended her right to conduct her business by advertising herself in the comments on my post) is not a brand spanking new ActiveRain member... she's been a member a few months. Her comments are hidden.. so I can't see if she routinely posts a link proclaiming her expertise and market and I really don't care if she is.  What was her comment?  Although in her email response she says how busy she is listing and selling real estate her comment was about her and her broker using ActiveRain to run up points to be in the top spots in their market... 

What's the point of blogging on ActiveRain again?

 

57 Comments on "Don't advertise yourself in the comments of another member's blog"

Maureen, Good post thank you for the reminder. :-)

04/13/2008 06:56 AM by Don Rogers CRS, GRI, Broker/Sales Associate (RE/MAX Discover)


Taglines I generally leave, figuring the person doesn't know better.  (And I'm not using this blog much for the public anyway.)  Outright spammy comments get deleted without a second thought, certainly no email to let them know it could be offensive to people!

You're a better woman than me, and I think you did her a favor.  :)

04/13/2008 06:56 AM by Sarah Cooper (Real Estate Shows)


Gosh Maureen, no reason to be offended, when she was clearly violating the guidelines. Using the network to run up points and be in the top spots for their market.....really??? Is that done here?  I'm being sarcastic.

 

04/13/2008 06:57 AM by Missy Caulk Ann Arbor Realtor Ann Arbor Real Estate (Keller Williams Ann Arbor)


Maureen If everyone was aware that having links in others comments does nothing for their SEO here at AR I bet this kind of thing would happen a lot less frequently.

SO - Everybody reading this please understand - ALL LINKS LEFT ON ANOTHERS blog are tagged "NO FOLLOW" they DO NOT not give you any GOOGLE JUICE!

04/13/2008 06:58 AM by Bill Gassett Metrowest Massachusetts Real Estate (RE/MAX Executive Realty)


Maureen,

Your points are well taken but it really was like a scolding.  I have occasionally put something in the comments section that I guess could be construed as spam, though I am only here 2+ months I am still learning the etiquette of this site.   I don't know who the person is that you are referring to nor do I see much of what you are talking about so it is a bit difficult for me to fully understand where the problem lies, nonetheless I will be more careful in the comments that I leave so as not to offend.  Thanks for the blog!

04/13/2008 07:00 AM by Sara Homan (Coldwell Banker Ellison Realty Inc)


It's all about the guidelines..if it says not to do it....some members will still do it. Personally it doesn't bother me much but I would do the same if it's not supposed to be there...when we leave comments...our tag is enough for anyone to be contacted so there really isn't a need for it...the thing that bothers me is the constant spam emails I get from members...I always send them to Bob and he warns them to stop...those bother me more than in the comments section.

04/13/2008 07:15 AM by Neal Bloom-Realtor ® Assoc.-CRS-Weston FL (RE/MAX Premier Associates)


 

It was not links... there don't have to be links to make a comment into comment spam. Advertising yourself and your services in the comments section of another members post is against AR guidelines.  

Here's a post from a newer member about whether inks in comments are rude.

The links are no follow so we won't spam one another.  I think  a lot of people think if they use a tagline in their comment that search engines are going to pick that up and they can convince the world that they are the best real estate agent in that market.  Someone told me it comes from a misunderstanding in a post that Jason Crouch wrote... I don't think it is, people were comment spamming with taglines long before Jason's post.

I just think some people believe in old fashioned real estate promotion where you plaster, your name, your face, your tagline (with the name of your market) over and over and it will bring you business.  Our link in a comment and the profile page that it links to is where logos, catchy little advertising phrases, contact info etc. belongs. 

Thanks all for the comments.

 

04/13/2008 07:16 AM by Maureen McCabe - Central Ohio real estate (Real Living HER)


Maureen,

I also think some are confused when they saw all those fancy signatures that are left. They also could be considered annoying to some and was at one time also advertising...if I want to offer my services then why not just ask permission to send an email to that person on the side....and if they say yes then it's ok or if they say no..well then at least you asked permission first.

04/13/2008 07:39 AM by Neal Bloom-Realtor ® Assoc.-CRS-Weston FL (RE/MAX Premier Associates)


It is spam - we all agree. I think the unnecessary links is just rude.  I disabled the comment function on my other blog because of the links. Petty? I don't think so.

04/13/2008 07:39 AM by Gary Waters - Real Estate Agent Viera Suntree (Century 21 Baytree Realty www.moving2brevard.com)


I have, in the past, taken the time to request that a competitor remove their links from comments on my post. 

Lately, though, I just can't keep up with the comments/spam/etc., etc.  The concentration it takes to send mail and then check back to see if they cooperated is just to distracting. 

I have gotten too many objections to my requests. Now, if they are a competitor, I just delete.  Saves time. 

Then there are the local competitors who believe that they have every right to link to their own web site in comments to my post and say so and refuse to remove said link in which case, I just delete and add their name to the "do not send referrals to" list. 

I believe I got the same note you did from "All the Best!". 

04/13/2008 07:49 AM by Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Real Estate


 

I usually get very little feedback re: the requests to remove the advertising. The hardcore spammers ignore it, and I delete their comments.  I feel like if I don't ask everyone to remove the advertising I can't ask anyone.  I don't post much more than once or twice a week on ActiveRain so I don't get that much of it.  I moderate comments on both of my other blogs.

I have made some great friends on ActiveRain with a note that what they're doing is against AR guidelines. 

04/13/2008 08:01 AM by Maureen McCabe - Central Ohio real estate (Real Living HER)


 by Maureen McCabe - Central Ohio real estate  

Neal do you mean when we get real fancy with this?  I know Colleen K had a post long ago about spamming one another and there was a discussion about that.  Some have their phone number in the link, some have their tagline in the link..., others have their brokerage... 

thanks all for the comments. 

 

 

04/13/2008 08:07 AM by Maureen McCabe - Central Ohio real estate (Real Living HER)


I still see it and actually saw it on another blog today...people like those fancy signatures in the post that they add.....I remember Nick the appraiser used to supply them to people if they wanted it but I guess the one's I used to see decided to get rid of them...but there are still a few out there....I guess that could become annoying to people. Basically after they put the tagline in they add this big signature in script and all different colors. The ones I think you are referring to are the ones where the put ...for example and it's just an example so if you want to remove it then go right ahead

Neal Bloom Remax...the Best Dam Realtor(R) call me now (XXX)XXX-XXXX I give the best Real Estate you'll ever get!

04/13/2008 08:29 AM by Neal Bloom-Realtor ® Assoc.-CRS-Weston FL (RE/MAX Premier Associates)


Maureen,  I think I'm going to have try Spam sometime, it's something that I've never eaten.  I agree with the signatures and especially what Neal mentions.  I've noted them on many posts and always that they were just plain rude.  But as you say, there are rules to be followed.  Not just for some, but for all.  It's called being fair and respectful.

04/13/2008 08:41 AM by Marc Grossman, GRI - Central Florida Real Estate Specialist (Keller Williams Heritage Realty)


Thanks Neal. 

OK I tend to think of those as logos rather than signatures... I email people to remove those as well Neal... I won't mention names.  I had a post about those a year ago??? and some people got very upset that I said they were one of my ActiveRain pet peeves.  To me that is like putting grafitti on a post, it is tagging.  I know it was very popular for awhile, a few people still use them. 

And a few people have plastered their face in comments on ActiveRain because they could and because Realtordom has thought for years that plastering your face on everything (cards, ads, signs, bus benches, billboards was marketing.)  Stefan (Steffan?) Scholl has a very funny comment about that on my pet peeves post.

Most blogs don't allow graphics... it is nice that ActiveRain can because there are times when a graphic is appropriate but to me if it is a graphic about YOU, you are breaking the guideline against advertising yourself in the comments of another member. A comment may be a great comment but it is now comment spam, because it is about how great you are via a graphic image. 

I am glad that has died down a lot on ActiveRain...

 

04/13/2008 08:42 AM by Maureen McCabe - Central Ohio real estate (Real Living HER)


Marc you snuck in... you've never eaten SPAM?  As a kid I loved it.  Salty, salty, salty.  Salt and fat.  I don't think it has nutritional value... or the protein you get is not worth it because of the salt and the fat.  Earlier this week I noticed there is Turkey SPAM now too... it is probably more nutritious than the stuff made with pig pieces.

I think it is SPAM (all caps) and the letters stand for something? 

 

04/13/2008 08:50 AM by Maureen McCabe - Central Ohio real estate (Real Living HER)


I think that so many in the real estate industry have had it pounded into our heads for so many years to brand ourselves in everything we do and let everyone know what we do and where we do it - that many just don't get it that blogging is a bit different.  Its building conversations, and communications, and relationships and not just blatant advertising.  Yes, its still marketing, but the tone just needs to be taken down a notch, and that is why its considered spam.  The funny part is, asking them to stop is really doing them a favor as in the end it turns people off.  The sooner people get that, the better off they will be.  You could just delete, and then they won't realize what they are doing is just too much.

04/13/2008 09:11 AM by Steve Scheer - Denver Real Estate - Highlands Ranch Real Estate (RE/MAX Masters, Inc.)


Steve Scheer.  Stephen Wolf's  comment about this on Twitter was that you are mentoring, a newbie when you send a note.  

They can choose to feel "attacked" or "scolded" or that they have a right to sprinkle the tag-line (logo, signature, contact info, link ) anywhere they can get away with it.. but I think the person who takes an email asking for a change in the post as help...

If I am real busy I do just delete the comments that are advertising the person leaving the comment.  

I think you are right Steve, some people just see blogging social media is just a new place to send the same real estate message of the 1990s.

Gary wrote:

"I disabled the comment function on my other blog because of the links. Petty? I don't think so." Can't you just use a spam filter and moderation?  It's your blog but disabling comments seems like it hurts YOU.  I moderate all comments on my two blogs because of spam and nUts.  

04/13/2008 09:28 AM by Maureen McCabe - Central Ohio real estate (Real Living HER)


Good reminder.  I have tried sending emails to individuals who put their contact information in my comments and have gotten back all kinds of responses.  The one I like the best is the individual who says thanks I didn't know it was against the rules - won't do it again.  But usually I get "what difference does it make" or " don't be petty" or people who are angry at the request and refuse.  I even had one inidividual who I deleted and they put their comment back.  Ugh.

04/13/2008 09:45 AM by Miriam Bernstein,Westchester County Real Estate (RE/MAX Prime Properties)


 

Miriam that's when it is time for AR to give us the right to block people from commenting on our AR blog. 

04/13/2008 09:50 AM by Maureen McCabe - Central Ohio real estate (Real Living HER)


Maureen...you emailed me and did me a favor...and I felt really good about editing my old comments to remove the 'spam' (even though it was an innocent mistake)...thanks for caring about AR...it's our job to keep our neighborhood clean....no one else is going to do it....

Bob

04/13/2008 10:15 AM by Annie & Bob Pacieznik, Real Estate and Home Staging Experts. Edina, Minnesota (REMAX Action West)


It's the same as leaving a business card advertising what you can do at a house showing. Some people must be real desparate for business.

04/13/2008 10:20 AM by Robert L. Brown~Grand Rapids Real Estate Flexit Realty, West Michigan (www.mrbrownsellsgr.com)


 

Bob Classy Guy Pacieznik thanks for the comment... most people on ActiveRain are innocent, just don't know any better. 

In online forums (all are equals) it may or may not be acceptable on a blog it is someone's blog. 

Robert are you saying just leaving a business card? Or leaving a business card aimed at procuring business? Leaving a business card for a show  varies market to  market, in our market you are supposed to leave a business card to show you have been there.  I have heard in other markets you are not to do it... 

I think of it as Brand A sign with Joe Agent's name on it.  Brand X agent, scribbles his name and phone number on the sign. 

Some people say it is ok to leave the little tagline saying you are the best thing since sliced bread as long as you are in a different market...  I still think it cheapens the comment, that you leave, makes it suspect. I am not in competition with Viagra but I don't want some pithy little statements about how well the product works on my site, even if it says "great post keep up the good work.  Viagra..."   

04/13/2008 10:35 AM by Maureen McCabe - Central Ohio real estate (Real Living HER)


When you are a part of a community this size and growing, you get all kinds of people.  It will get harder and harder for AR to manage the rif-raf as we continue to grow. but with good posts like this, maybe the offenders will leave and start their own "blackhat" blogging community.

04/13/2008 11:03 AM by Ken Horst (Metropolitan Financial Mortgage)


Cyndee  I think if we all pretend it's not there in a comment thread it is a disservice to the newbie.  

Ken I don't think the ones who are bound and determined to comment spam  will leave AR, I think as we grow they will blend in easier but I think you have to be able to say to new people, yes it's here, yes they are getting away with it but you should not try it because it is not worth it.  

I worry that we will lose good bloggers because they are allowed to comment spam for awhile and then the community comes down on them like a ton of bricks because they've been here three months "they should know better by now."

 I had to go back and look at what my pet peeves were a year ago... this is from a members only post called ActiveRain pet peeves from March 2007.  No change....in one and two.  ActiveRain changed groups so that members could not spam large numbers of groups.

 

pet rodentChris Griffith's Blogging Etiquette 101 Chris asked for pet peeves back in November and only got 12 comments. 

One that was discussed was comment spam... some wonderful people here have done it... It is difficult to discourage newbies from doing it when established Rainers do it....  include a link to your website (or blog)  in your comment and you are comment spamming.  The ultimate comment spam is your picture, a link to your website or blog and all your contact info along with a comment like "good info" or "thanks."  If a link to a blog furthers the conversation it is not comment spam.  It's a thin line.    

 

My personal pet peeves:

1. Comment spam... of course

2. Entries that are posted to a huge number of groups. Entries posted to groups where they don't belong.

3. Personal logos, personal photos in comments. Put it on your profile.  Your comment is linked to your profile.

04/13/2008 11:50 AM by Maureen McCabe - Central Ohio real estate (Real Living HER)


Now I have a dilemna.

I was politely requested to remove a link to my website and my contact information from a post this morning. Including the information was lack of knowledge on my part and not an attempt to steal traffic. However, I felt that this was in conflict with Illinois licensing requirements so I deleted my post completely until I could conduct some research.

I looked through some information I have and found the following:

_____

A licensee using e-commerce or e-mail, including discussion groups and bulletin boards, must include on the FIRST or LAST page:

Licensee's name
Company's name or assumed name as registered with the OBRE
City and state in which the office is located

_____

So what can I include in a comment that would not be in violation of my license requirements but still in compliance with AR guidelines? The inclusion of my website address I understand and will not include in any future comments. I also understand that AR is designed for the real estate industry, however, the group, blogs and comments are not password protected and fully accessible by the viewing public. I am looking for a response that will allow me to participate in the group and not risk discipline from my licensing board. In my opinion, the link to my profile does not satisfy my licensing requirements as noted above as my name, company and geographical location is not included unless someone clicks the hyperlink. Am I missing something or interpreting incorrectly? I enjoy participating in the AR community and feel that I have much to offer so please help me out.

Tammy Anderson-Owens
RE/MAX Preferred- Collinsville, IL (included per requirements)

04/13/2008 11:59 AM by Tammy Anderson-Owens, Broker/Owner (The "Metro East Home Team" of RE/MAX Preferred)


Maureen.... I just had to jump in here and say that you are so absolutely correct..   I was going to write the same post a few days ago, because of what happened to one of my posts, but you beat me to it. I just got to busy..... glad you did this. The person that commented in mine, not only left his link to his web site, but his full name and phone number in his comment to my post.  I sent him a polite e-mail.

I would love to see a response to Tammy's comment.....  I would think comments in regards to blogs is different than what she is talking about, right?

 

04/13/2008 12:14 PM by Jeff Belonger -- The FHA Expert.com -- FHA Loans -- FHA mortgages -- Mortgages (Infinity Home Mortgage Company, Inc)


That is a dilemna I would suggest mandatory info (by state law) be in 

Tammy Anderson-Owens, Broker/Associate

 but you have a long name, long company name and a long city name. 

I think the fact that it is a  link to a profile where you could share all that info would satfisfy the licensing law, personally and you should not do it on other members blog posts.  I have seen lots of comments from real estate agents in Illinois on various forums over the years where they must be skirting the law or not taking it so litterally.

I don't like the way Lenn's  or Cyndee's AR signatures looks in a comment (there is one of each above) with the links going onto two lines... forgive me Lenn & Cyndee... :

 MD & VA Real Estate, Homefinders.com, Lenn Harley, Broker, New & Resale Homes 

Clearwater Florida Real Estate - Tampa Bay Homes & Condos - Cyndee Haydon

because with the Delete, Report as Spam and date It goes into two lines and looks so crwoeded to me but I would prefer it to:

Tammy Anderson-Owens
RE/MAX Preferred- Collinsville, IL (included per requirements)

I personally  might just take the position that I don't know Illinois (Iowa, Kansas... AZ, CA , PA, etc.  requirements) and deleting the comment is so much easier... unless it was one heck of a comment. And then that seems so unfriendly.   

I think we discussed this a year ago on Colleen K's ActiveRain blog post. 

 

 

04/13/2008 12:19 PM by Maureen McCabe - Central Ohio real estate (Real Living HER)


Maureen - as still somewhat of a newbie here at AR, I appreciate the post.  While I don't feel that I have personally violated the rule, I have not really thought about it either.  I will from now on.  Thanks!

Tracy

04/13/2008 12:20 PM by Tracy Kirkley - Broker, CRS, ABR - Crye-Leike (Crye-Leike)


This is a very interesting discussion.  I am fairly new here and just recently started adding my "phlogo" on a few blog comments...never with the intention of trying to advertise myself to the blog owners clients! EEEKS....is this really bad??    It does not have contact information or even a tag line and is not a line....like Jeff's above.   Is this really spamming?   I would not want to be disrepectful on another agent's blog!

 

04/13/2008 12:27 PM by Debra Kukulski-GRI;ABR;RECS;e-PRO Real Estate Expert Northern Illinois (Re/Max Unlimited Northwest)


Maureen, I understand what you are saying.  It is rude for someone to post a link to them in the comment section of a blog.  But, is it rude to be posting big huge signatures  too?  Is that OK?   

04/13/2008 12:52 PM by Owensboro KY Real Estate Specialist Vickie McCartney Broker,ASP,ABR (Home Realty GMAC Real Estate Owensboro Kentucky)


Maureen...  thanks for answering Tammy's comment....  

In regards to Vickie's comment...  in my opinion, that is just a preference. Signatures, as long as they aren't a link to that persons site or has a number.... should be okay. Some people just get upset about that. To me, that is like someone saying that they hate the color yellow, no matter how good it looks.

But I will agree, links to someone else's site or leaving your company's name and or your number in a comment, is rude. If someone wants to contact you, they can click on your name at the bottom of the comment, which is a link to your profile.... which then can take them to your other site.  Again, these are just my opinions. There are no true, written rules on the internet. Just on a few platforms and or sites.  Just being courteous of others around you. 

04/13/2008 01:07 PM by Jeff Belonger -- The FHA Expert.com -- FHA Loans -- FHA mortgages -- Mortgages (Infinity Home Mortgage Company, Inc)


The "comment spammers" are often the same ones that think it's OK to lift content, or whole wesites, just because they're on the www.

The copyright laws, as well the NAR Code of Ethics for Realtor members, apply here just like they do in the non cyber world.

04/13/2008 01:14 PM by Jim Lee, Knoxville Tennessee Realtor® (Realty Executives Associates)


I was the individual who requested that Tammy remove her link from a comment on my site.  Which she did, thank you Tammy.  I agree with Maureen that since there is a click through to full information about the individual commenter that would satisfy the licensing issue, first or last would mean that.  This is not your email, your e-commerce it is someone elses.

04/13/2008 01:46 PM by Miriam Bernstein,Westchester County Real Estate (RE/MAX Prime Properties)


Comment spam just plain sucks. I am getting a lot of AR spam in e-mail too. While I agree some of it is innocent a lot of it is not. We all have the link through in our names and that is more than enough in my opinion.

04/13/2008 02:19 PM by Monika McGillicuddy~REALTOR®~ N.H. Real Estate Broker & Trainer (Prudential Verani Realty/Hampstead)


Maureen I agree with you about the self promotion in comments being SPAM. That's not the point here. We already get enough exposure.

04/13/2008 02:29 PM by Gary Woltal - REALTOR® Dallas Ft. Worth (Keller Williams Realty)


Actually, I've changed my signature line a dozen times, as I've changed everything in my profile a dozen or more times.

The signiture line is just for Google.  You know I can't resist an opportunity to include a keyword and some are so important. 

Oh well.

04/13/2008 03:28 PM by Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Real Estate


Maureen, Well written and good information thank you. I think many who are new to AR may not have read the rules of conduct to start with.

04/13/2008 03:38 PM by Mary Strang, Viroqua, WI Real Estate (RE/MAX Hill Country)


Hi Maureen - this seems to be an age-old, if that can apply to a 2 year old network, discussion.  And as long as there are new members cotinually coming on board and who don't read the guidelines, this comment spam junk will continue to happen.  I had been guilty of comment spam when I first joined and then quickly learned it was wrong, so stopped right away and apologized to those I'd done that to.  I also have one of those logo signatures that some like and some don't.  I now only use that on my own posts as part of my signature.

I agree that the link provided when we leave a comment is all that's necessary as that gives anyone who wants more info about any of us what they need to get in touch with us.  And I think that would meet any of our states' requirements about disclosing what the law requires.

Glad to see this featured, but those who need to be reading it likely will never see it, and we'll continue to get those giant billboard type spam comments in our posts...... oh well...

Ann

04/13/2008 04:13 PM by Portsmouth NH Real Estate ~ Ann Cummings (RE/MAX Coast to Coast - Portsmouth New Hampshire)


My first impulse was to jam my blog address in this comment and then I realized it was a featured post.  I'll go snipe another one of your posts, instead.  :)     

04/13/2008 04:18 PM by Chris Elizabeth Griffith ~ Bonita Springs Fl Real Estate (Keller Williams Elite Realty, Bonita Springs, FL)


I don't personally like the ActiveRain links (comment signatures)  that advertise.  I prefer the link to identify (name, function, location.) It's a link to a page where you can provide ANYTHING you want.  Or almost anything.

If a whole state full of RE  people need a big long signature for their state laws I think ActiveRain should give them (and thus anyone else) the space they need in the link with fixed fields... fill in the blank, name, brokerage, state,... I doubt that a city is needed since as far as I know no real estate licensees are licensed by city.  And that's where I believe Tammy's argument falls down. And that's one thing that I want to know about people.  I want to see Knoxville in Jim Lee's signature so when he makes a statement about "here" we know where here is.  That he is in Knoxville, not Memphis, Nashville... or Chattanooga.  For those of us who came from RT. On RealTown it helped us when people used a signature to tell us where "here" was, but RT was email.  Some people had a little tag-line or slogan in their signature... but it was a neutral forum, you weren't on someone's blog.  There is a difference.

I think I had my brokerage name in my AR signature for a short time. I've changed my signature a bunch of times. 

I just happen to think the link should all be on one line... that is just my little peeve I just hate seeing the date split up, Lenn and Cyndee's (and others ) signature link split up and the "report as spam" split up... It is no criticism of them, or their comments.  Just the look. I think ActiveRain should accomodate  a long signature,  not make it look like gibberish...

The important thing is advertising yourself and your services in the comments of another members blog post is against the ActiveRain Guidelines.  New people do it, they should be emailed privately. As many as possible should be broken of the habit before they become a nuisance.  Others test over and over if they can get away with advertising themselves in the comments on others blogs.  I think we should be able to block them on ActiveRain but we can't.

 

04/13/2008 04:43 PM by Maureen McCabe - Central Ohio real estate (Real Living HER)


No kidding, I think it is funny when people that offer the same service that you do  leave comments like me too! or we do the same I think that is a hidden form of spam. It is to the point where i am thinking of turning off the comment section.

04/13/2008 05:18 PM by UnusualCommercialLoans.com we do loans banks wont! (unusualcommercialloans.com)


OUCH! I think that's petty of HER for writing that. I don't mind comment signatures, but I frankly don't like those huge logos. It's a little bit sore sight for my eyes. As to email or comment spam, death to all spam!!!

Cheers,

Cindy 

04/13/2008 07:13 PM by Cindy Lin @ Staged4more, ASPM, IAHSP,IRIS, CSP (Staged4more Home Staging & Redesigns)


One thing that many folks don't know is that we can get a notice when someone posts to a blog post.  Even a very OLD blog post. 

I often get a comment with links to web sites or their blog on some of my year old or older posts.  I suppose they thought I'd never notice.

04/13/2008 07:58 PM by Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Real Estate


I agree. Advertising in someone else's blog is like stealing. You steal their work! At least, that's how I see it.

04/13/2008 10:52 PM by Christy Powers - Pooler, Savannah Real Estate Agent (Keller Williams Coastal Area Partners)


 

Thanks all for the comments. 

Ann Some wonderful people started out their participation on ActiveRain advertsing themselves in the comments section of other members blogs, or adding a redundant sigature. I don't know that I remember that you did it Ann but I believe I remember that both Rich J. and Ines did. In the early days it was common... I don't think I ever did but I remember thinking if other people were I should. It's better that we don't. 

Lenn Posting coomments to OLD posts is a common way for spammers to work. 

I closed the Welcome group on ActiveRain because a brokerage in California was using it , not so much to comment spam but to post the same comment over and over to a number of posts to get in their days worth of points. As the leader of the group, I had commented on a number of the posts, so I got an email that the broker was cuttijng and pasting the same comment to 8 old posts for points.  8 comments in 11 minutes.  What an accomplishment. 

They think old is buried but it is not.  It has never been difficult to remove spam from old posts on AR.  On my RT blog it was very difficult until quire recently.

04/14/2008 06:23 AM by Maureen McCabe - Central Ohio real estate (Real Living HER)


Maureen, I liked your description of eating SPAM. Seems to be how I remember it as well. Interesting to always hear the history of AR and blogging from you. I think your commenter will better appreciate your email now....hope they see this post. I do agree with Rich and you that dealing with the offending party with an email is a good way to make it clear that we don't tolerate advertising in the comments and that it is against the AR Guidelines. I have not taken the time to do so....but now I will. This is what I like about AR...it is always changing me and how I think and work. Thanks for the post....works for me!

04/14/2008 08:11 AM by Jeanean Gendron ~ Redding & Shasta County Specialist (Real Estate Professionals--GMAC)


Sometimes those old blog posts come up in the list on the main page of the group so it is not necessarily spamming.

04/14/2008 11:06 AM by Debra Kukulski-GRI;ABR;RECS;e-PRO Real Estate Expert Northern Illinois (Re/Max Unlimited Northwest)


Great post!  I know I have learned a lot and want to say I am truly sorry for anyone that I have offended by putting my contact info on.  I have learned from you all! 

04/14/2008 08:16 PM by Tammy Anderson-Owens, Broker/Owner (The "Metro East Home Team" of RE/MAX Preferred)


"Sometimes those old blog posts come up in the list on the main page of the group so it is not necessarily spamming. "

 huh????

Old posts  show up on the main page in the group when someone comments on them.  That's one way a group moderator can see if someone is using the group.  Often they come up because someone has put a legitimate comment on them. Other times they come up because someone has put comment spam on an old post as Lenn said  because they think no one will pay attention to an old post... abandoned posts (people who don't return to AR get comment spamned sometimes.

Tammy we are all learning about this as we go along...

04/14/2008 09:04 PM by Maureen McCabe - Central Ohio real estate (Real Living HER)


Maureen...Why not name your "constant spammer" as she likes the advertisement?

Asked with tongue in cheek!

Kathleen

04/14/2008 11:51 PM by Kathleen "Kate" Elim, LAKE ANNA, VA Real Estate (RE/MAX Lake & Country)


Maureen....that is exactly what I meant, it must be as you said, because a new comment is there.  I did not know why the old posts somehow show up....just that they do.  I'm fairly new here so still learning the ropes.

04/15/2008 08:12 AM by Debra Kukulski-GRI;ABR;RECS;e-PRO Real Estate Expert Northern Illinois (Re/Max Unlimited Northwest)


 

Debra it can be interesting to look at the comments on the old posts, sometimes the comment spam is from outside of ActiveRain a lot of members who don't have an outside blog probably have very little concept about what a big business comment spamming is on the internet.  It is the same thing that ends up in your email spam fillters in many cases, except the spammer wants to use legitimated  blogs to spread his commercial message about a product or a service or get traffic to his site or ??  It's a big business.  The comments are spread by bots with a good spam filiter they never see the light of day on most blogs. 

ActiveRain does have a spam filter and we are amazingly spam free from outside I believe.  The inside comment spam is more personal... Welcome to AR!!!  Have fun learning the ropes.

04/15/2008 08:38 AM by Maureen McCabe - Central Ohio real estate (Real Living HER)


Maureen, thanks so much for the explanation.  It is great that there are spam filters here on AR, it's enough to deal with the email spam!  Thanks for the welcome, too:-)

04/16/2008 07:21 AM by Debra Kukulski-GRI;ABR;RECS;e-PRO Real Estate Expert Northern Illinois (Re/Max Unlimited Northwest)


 

Debra.... I forgot to say it is interesting to look at the spam but it is not safe to click on the links... just like the spam in your mailbox.  I  have been curious a couple of times and regretted it.   Sometimes just what you see... other times rabbit holes...

04/16/2008 07:56 AM by Maureen McCabe - Central Ohio real estate (Real Living HER)


Hi Maureen:-)   I guess I have not seen the comment spam here...I suppose I am lucky for that!  I never click on email spam links, but I am not sure I would have been so careful here on the blogs.  Thanks for the warning!

04/17/2008 09:11 AM by Debra Kukulski-GRI;ABR;RECS;e-PRO Real Estate Expert Northern Illinois (Re/Max Unlimited Northwest)


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