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When you should NOT sign a Deed In Lieu.

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Mortgage and Lending with Home State Bank NMLS# 166179

I was thinking about a webinar I attended a while ago that was held by a hard money lender from the West Coast. Everything that he said was typical of most hard money programs and the underwriting guidelines they use that would be presented to potential mortgage investors UNTIL he started talking about the borrowers signing a Deed In Lieu. If you don’t know what a Deed In Lieu is, it’s a document signed by a borrower that will be recorded in the county where the property is located to avoid the foreclosure process. The borrower, by signing the Deed In Lieu, deeds the property back to the lender “in lieu” of a foreclosure. These documents are ONLY to be used when foreclosure is imminent.  This is where I had a problem with this presentation.

This particular lender informed everyone that his extra protection for the mortgage investor was to have the borrower sign the Deed In Lieu at the same time they signed their loan documents... what? Over the years I’ve spoken to many attorney’s when I hear about this practice by others, NOT US, and they’ve said this is a big no no!! You cannot allow a borrower to sign away their legal rights to the full foreclosure process and their ability to redeem the mortgage.

The pitch in this webinar was the lender's ability to take back the property quickly through this “pre-signed” Deed In Lieu, which could be recorded as soon as the borrower was late on his payment. Regardless of whether the borrower agrees to it or not, I’m sure a judge would come down heavily on an individual or company that was convincing borrowers to waive their legal rights.  I wonder how many borrowers just walked away from their homes because they prematurely signed a Deed In Lieu and were convinced they had already given up their rights to a foreclosure?

So the next time you hear anyone suggesting this practice, avoid any dealings with them whatsoever. Their problems will become your problems.

Ron Aguilar
Gateway Mortgage Group - Saint George, UT
Mortgage & Real Estate Advisor since 1995

where is the CFPB for this? Oh thats right they are chasing honest Mortgage Loan Officers to prove a point.

Nov 11, 2014 10:41 PM
Theresa Akin
CORPUS CHRISTI REALTY GROUP - Corpus Christi, TX

Thanks for the refresher. One of the first meetings I have with buyers I always suggest that at any point in time they see the need, they should contact an attorney about any misunderstandings they may have in the process of a transaction. I have had a couple clients who consulted their attorneys or the attorneys from the title company. Their choice. Our next meetings are always met with smiles and relief on their faces. Some attorney have advised the buyer to switch lenders and much to my relief. The only time I ever "advise" a buyer or seller is when I "advise" them to speak with an attorney.  Anything other than that is merely a "suggestion".

Nov 11, 2014 10:52 PM
DEBORAH STONE
Balboa Real Estate San Diego, CA - San Diego, CA

Sounds like a "Prenup" for a mortgage. LOL  Bad idea!

Nov 11, 2014 11:15 PM
Jimmy Williams
Keller Williams Elite Partners IV - Mount Dora, FL
Lake and Western Orange County Real Estate Expert!

And some folks do not understanding mortgage related terms (defintion of).  Until it is too late!  But as Julie stated desperate people will sometimes take a chance.

My advice to clients... Consult An Attorney with Real Estate Knowledge.

Nov 11, 2014 11:18 PM
Darren Walker
Fairfax Realty - Accokeek, MD

A lot of of these owners are ignorant of the fact, in desparate situations and want it to go away; did not seek any legal advise; don't have the money to seek legal advise nor did they contact an agent. Banks entice these owners with DIL and gives them a few thousands for moving expense and leaving the property in prestine condition (at least clean) and in this situation, a few thousands seems like a million dollars.

 

I currently have a listing where the bank has giving the homeowner DIL as an option.

Nov 11, 2014 11:43 PM
Pamela Seley
West Coast Realty Division - Murrieta, CA
Residential Real Estate Agent serving SW RivCo CA

I guess my question is why would a home owner get a hard money loan for their primary residence? Because they have bad credit and don't want to face the truth about their finances? If it's an investor signing a DIL at the time of signing their loan docs then they will learn the hard way, won't they? There's a saying you can't fix stupid. There are consequences to signing a deed-in-lieu and broker/agents are not qualified to give legal counsel on whether a borrower should sign a DIL. 

Nov 12, 2014 01:16 AM
Sharon Parisi
United Real Estate Dallas - Dallas, TX
Dallas Homes

The bottom line is to read and understand what you are signing. If you do not understand the document call your favorite real estate attorney.  Thanks for this clarification of Deed in Lieu of Foreclosure.

Nov 12, 2014 02:29 AM
Gene Riemenschneider
Home Point Real Estate - Brentwood, CA
Turning Houses into Homes

It is practices like this that give all lenders a bad name and result in bad laws and heavy regulation on all of us.

Nov 12, 2014 02:33 AM
Sylvia Jonathan
Coldwell Banker Platinum Properties - Irvine, CA
Broker Associate, SFR

Whoa! I never heard of such a thing.

Nov 12, 2014 03:10 AM
Trent Dalrymple (248) 854-0625
Home State Bank - Bloomfield Hills, MI
Allowing Mortgage Professionals to Lend Nationwide

Ron, you're right, where is the CFPB?  Hopefully they're knocking on this lender's door, if not already.  Thanks!

Theresa, it's always wise to "suggest or advise" they speak with an attorney because unless we are one, we don't want anyone to get the impression we're giving them legal advice.  Thanks!

Deborah, I think the stack of mortgage documents should be considered a "Prenup" in the case of a default, it does spell who gets what, and when.  In the reverse, it would be a great idea if they came up with a type of "Deed In Lieu" for divorces... but let's not go there.  Thanks!

Jimmy, I guess for some the clock has run and they are desperate to just sign and keep their fingers crossed.  And you're right about attorneys, just because they passed the Bar doesn't mean they know real estate law.  Thanks!

Darren, because I was on the lending side for many years and our loans were for real estate investors the process was strictly a business move so we could move on, not take someone's home away from them.  Sometimes the Deed In Lieu is a good idea and the best option for the borrower but not before they have defaulted, that's just underhanded.  Thanks!

Pamela, these were not loans on primary residences, only investment properties and currently I don't know of any hard money lenders dealing in owner-occupied loans after the regulation changes in January.  Some of the loans the lender was attempting to sell could have been refinances where there wasn't an real estate agent/broker involved, but as I said earlier, unless you're an attorney be careful giving legal advice.  Thanks!

Sharon, my fear is that as the lender is going through the myriad of documents with the borrower they just gloss over the Deed In Lieu and the borrower is really unaware of what they just signed.  Even if the Deed In Lieu was signed I'm sure an attorney could stop (or unwind) the process if was ever recorded.  Thanks for your comment!

Gene, I couldn't have said it better.  It has become a vicious cycle brought on by the bad apples and over-reacting law makers.  Thanks!

Nov 12, 2014 03:47 AM
Trent Dalrymple (248) 854-0625
Home State Bank - Bloomfield Hills, MI
Allowing Mortgage Professionals to Lend Nationwide

Sylvia, it's a good thing that you never heard of this but a better one that you're aware of it.  I've been in the business for 28 years and have heard and witnessed all sorts of crazy practices in lending and real estate and I've heard other lenders in the past brag about this particular idea and how it will protect their investors.  Hopefully it was only used as a scare tactic to make their borrowers pay, which I think is pretty sleazy too.  Thanks!

Nov 12, 2014 04:04 AM
Andrea HoffDomin
Florida Dream Homes Realty - Fort Lauderdale, FL
- in Real Estate always on your side!

Thank you for that information. I never heard of such lender behavior.

Sunny greetings from Fort Lauderdale, Florida.

Nov 12, 2014 04:43 AM
Kevin Hancock
Evergreen Home Loans NMLS 3182 - Poulsbo, WA
The Hancock Mortgage Team

That is interesting... thanks for the information.

Nov 12, 2014 05:38 AM
Trent Dalrymple (248) 854-0625
Home State Bank - Bloomfield Hills, MI
Allowing Mortgage Professionals to Lend Nationwide

Andrea, crazy behavior in every form of business, lenders are no exception.  Keep in mind this was not a conventional lender.  After what we've been through the last 7 years who know what those companies do behind the scenes?  Thanks!

Kevin, this is what I like about Active Rain, we get to share our knowledge, especially when it can help someone avoid problems in the future.  Thanks!

Nov 12, 2014 06:58 AM
Ernest Villafranca
Better Homes and Gardens Real Estate - Oakland, CA
3923 Grand Ave. Oakland CA, 510-418-9443

Ha, ha, ha. I loved the picture of Mr. Potter, "Bankers. The house always wins." Ha, ha, ha.

Nov 12, 2014 07:51 AM
Nina Hollander, Broker
Coldwell Banker Realty - Charlotte, NC
Your Greater Charlotte Realtor

This is a great "warning." We don't see much of the deed in lieu in our area, but I do know it's not well understood by public and agents.

Nov 12, 2014 08:13 PM
Trent Dalrymple (248) 854-0625
Home State Bank - Bloomfield Hills, MI
Allowing Mortgage Professionals to Lend Nationwide

Ernest, I'm glad you enjoyed the Mr. Potter photo, I think the pictures fit well and we're getting close to the season too.  One of my favorites was the top one of Alec Baldwin from Glengarry Glen Ross, if you having watched the movie, rent it.  Thanks!

Nina, we should all help each other with warnings when we see something in our industry rear it's ugly head.  Most will never see or hear about this document because no one that gives their property back to their lender will ever want to admit it.  As long as it's used properly it is a viable option where everyone can walk away quickly.  Thanks for your comment!

Nov 12, 2014 08:58 PM
Lloyd Binen
Certified Realty Services - Saratoga, CA
Silicon Valley Realtor since 1976; 408-373-4411

Trent-That hard money lender needs some legal advise.  In CA that Deed in Lieu is void because is violates one of the legal requirements of a valid deed-- the "delivery" component.  

If it was legal all the prenuptial attorneys would use that scheme to remove an EX from title.  Simply have one spouse sign a Grant Deed at marriage but don't record it until and unless there's a divorce.  Again, the  (non) delivery renders it void.

By the way, I haven't seen, a CA lender accept a Deed in Lieu since the early 1970s because the lender gets the property back fully encumbered with any and all junior and senior loans.

Nov 13, 2014 01:09 AM
Karen Fiddler, Broker/Owner
Karen Parsons-Fiddler, Broker 949-510-2395 - Mission Viejo, CA
Orange County & Lake Arrowhead, CA (949)510-2395

That's a terrifying idea. I can't imagine anyone being willing to do this. Wow.

 

Nov 13, 2014 02:29 AM
Paddy Deighan MBA JD PhD
http://www.medicalandspaconsulting.com - Vail, CO
Paddy Deighan J.D. Ph.D

seriously bad idea to sign a deed in lieu in such circumstances..yet people do it all of the time and then complain abotu the consequesnces later

Nov 13, 2014 01:38 PM