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Just when I thought I had heard everything -- a new idea

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Mortgage and Lending with Chartwell Mortgage Corporation

Ok, if you have experienced the following or know of someone who has please raise your hand. I was at a closing this morning and the buyers agent was sharing a story with us concerning a transaction she is working on with a FSBO property owned by Countrywide Mortgage. They placed an offer and received a counter offer from Countrywide which was lower than the original offer price; in addition, Countrywide would pay up to $3,000 in closing cost on behalf of the buyer. So when was the last time you presented a purchase contract and had the seller counter the offer with a lower price and volunteer to pay your buyers closing cost? So whats the catch, not a suprise they had to complete financing of the purchase through Countrywide.

After thinking about this for a while, I like the creativity on the part of Countrywide's REO department. I hear complaints weekly from my Realtor partners who often wait 6-8 weeks for a response to their offers on REO properties. As the inventory of foreclosed properties continues to grow, this is the first new idea that I have heard as a way for a lender/seller to work pro-actively with the Realtor community.

I am curious if this is a rare occurrence or if others have encountered creative solutions? I also want to ask if anyone feels that this is bad for the buyer or from an appraisal perspective the marketplace? In Colorado, Realtors are required to note seller concessions in the multi-list and appraisers are required to adjust the final sales price with the concessions when establishing value by comparison.

Many of us have and will continue to work on transactions involving REOs and short sales; I am interested in hearing more about the experiences of Realtors and lenders from around the country. Please share your thoughts.

Kaushik Sirkar
Call Realty, Inc. - Chandler, AZ
I would think they stand to make a good chunk of money on the loan.  But I don't think I've ever encountered this before...very interesting!
Feb 14, 2007 12:33 PM
Jeff Belonger
Social Media - Infinity Home Mortgage Company, Inc - Cherry Hill, NJ
The FHA Expert - FHA Loans - FHA mortgages - USDA loans - VA Loans

aaarrrggghhh  Brian Brady is all over the place and beating me to my answers, which would be the same.  lol

I'll add to what Mr. Brady is stating...  I like this and agree with it. If they don't work with the buyer and keep the property... and the seller has to foreclose or it's been sitting on CW's self per se for half a year. They are losing money....  as Brian stated, it doesn't look good if they want to sell it off later, it has no value.

The one thing that  I think it would hurt though, are other sales in the area. Unless the appraiser does his/her homework, making sure that they put this in their report that it sold under value, this could already hurt properties that are losing value. Just my opinion.

Overall.... they are being aggressive here and taking charge before it gets worse and they lose more money. 

Feb 14, 2007 12:37 PM
Kay Van Kampen
RE/MAX Broker, RE/MAX - Springfield, MO
Realtor®, Springfield Mo Real Estate
Must be a sign of the times.  How long does it take to respond to the offer if the buyer agrees to work with Countrywide?
Feb 14, 2007 12:52 PM
George Galvan
Professional Real Estate Partners - Gilbert, AZ
Wow, thanks for the post. I can assure you that I will be contacting Countrywide on some of their homes as well as offering less on some of Countrywide's short sales maybe? I have a contact at Countrywide (Recontrust) that I will have to chat with tomorrow. I will let you know how it goes!
Feb 14, 2007 01:17 PM
David A. Podgursky PA
THE PODGURSKY GROUP @ Re/Max Direct - Boynton Beach, FL
THE PODGURSKY GROUP - Make the Right Move!

you know... it turned out sweet in many ways for the buyer but:

It smacks of Coersion.  The AntiCoersion statement in all mortgage applications states that we have not forced or unduly influenced a borrower to use insurance, appraisal, title etc that they did not agree to.  If someone comes to me and says, "Use my X guy" - I go with it because that's the law.

I personally might have considered countering - of course I am a mortgage broker... but if my buyer was attached to their OWN mortgage broker -

  • then I would have said that I would require a pre-approval and good faith estimate within a certain time frame. 
  • Then I would have bought the time to have it beaten. 
  • If Countrywide could not match or beat the rate - why would anyone want to go with them? The marginal difference in the sticker price vs the long term costs? 

It is the same argument as to paying points vs not!  I would have had to sit down with pen and paper and made sure the deal worked on all sides.   By knowing:

  •  what is out there from a solid preapproval with all borrower information included (has to actually be submitted to get a real answer) 
  • all the numbers in the transaction.
  • the entry and exit strategy on the property - a 2-3 yr hold, sure take the price... a 7+ yr hold, take the rate
  • and if it will put an undue burden on the borrower not to use a close friend or family member.

With all that taken into account - you'd arrive at the answer about which was the better option Rate or Price.

Feb 14, 2007 01:23 PM
Kristal Kraft
Novella Real Estate - Denver, CO
Selling Metro Denver Real Estate - 303-589-2022

Interesting incentive.  I bet the buyers were delighted. AS for counting it as a concession, that would be a double negative, correct?

To make the stats come out right you would need to record the sale at the original price, with the difference being the incentive.  If you added the incentive to the actual sales price that would result in the double negative.

Good post...I've heard of that place, Parker!   :)

kk

Feb 14, 2007 01:25 PM
Elena Thurston, Family Real Estate Specialist
Keller Williams Legacy One - Gilbert, AZ
I agree that it smacks of coercion but like in CO, the AZ builder lenders are offering HUGE incentives, which is pretty much a bribe to use their lender.  We're talking $20-50k in some cases.  At least $6k in all cases.  Same thing to me.
Feb 14, 2007 02:23 PM
George Souto
George Souto NMLS #65149 FHA, CHFA, VA Mortgages - Middletown, CT
Your Connecticut Mortgage Expert

I think that Tim presents a good question “What were the terms that Countrywide was offering on the loan?"  Were they offering the same rate and closing costs as the Buyer's original Lender?  That needs to be looked at carefully, because my gut feeling is that the Buyer will have either a higher interest rate, or points hidden in the costs to by down the rate.

This might be a good deal, or a very bad one.  You have to look at the figures and see if you are talking apples & apples, or just a very creative way of steering business to Countrywide.  There are a lot of unknowns here to form a clear opinion. 

Feb 14, 2007 02:41 PM
Randy L. Prothero
eXp Realty - Hollister, MO
Missouri REALTOR, (808) 384-5645

That is one way to steal a client from another lender.  Are they going to get a pre-payment penalty and a high interst rate ARM? 

One good thing if they go with Countrywide, this may one of the few times that that lender won't monkey with the appraisal and blow the deadlines.  It may also get throught their underwriting without their usual 11th hour surprise.  LOL

Feb 14, 2007 06:26 PM
Bill Patterson
Kelly, Realtors - Waco, TX
I've done a number of REO deals but have never heard of anything like this.  It is in a bit of a grey area but certainly Countrywide was not refusing to sell them the property unless they used them as lender, just saying that that counter was available only in that case.  Depending on the terms, this could be a great deal for the buyer.  I regularly send buyers to Countrywide, I have found the local guys here do a great job.  I have never dealt with their REO dept, however...
Feb 14, 2007 09:39 PM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

Smart marketing.  Helps with the appraisal process by being $3000 lower.  Gives Countrywide the loan, which is worth about $3000. 

Countrywide also get's publicity, probably a borrower for life and an agent to spread the word.

Interesting. 

 

Feb 15, 2007 12:51 AM
Dale Heck
Sotheby's International realty - Pinehurst, NC

Never heard of this.  I guess there is a really great value in writing mortgages.

 

 

Feb 15, 2007 02:17 AM
Anonymous
Dan Stegman
Sounds like countrywide gave away more than they needed to
Feb 15, 2007 06:26 AM
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Christy Powers
Keller Williams Coastal Area Partners - Pooler, GA
Pooler, Savannah Real Estate Agent
That really is a great idea. I wonder why it took them so long to come up with it. I think it works out well for the buyer and the seller. 
Feb 15, 2007 07:14 AM
Minnesota Home Staging Firm, Minnesota
Minnesota Home Staging Network~ MN's Top Home Staging Firm - Inver Grove Heights, MN

You aren't kidding...quite creative! 

Nice work...and please keep sharing these ideas with AR.

 

Feb 15, 2007 09:07 AM
Chris Hendricks
Walnut Creek, CA
It just seems to make so much sense!  I'd think by doing this they are building a CW evangelical marketing force through the owners and the agent.  The neighbors will be temporarily disappointed but better that than to have the house end up foreclosed and deal with their values then....
Feb 15, 2007 09:36 AM
John Cilladi
Keller Williams Real Estate - Exton, PA
REALTOR, EcoBroker, e-PRO
I would like to know more of the details of this deal. There are too many unanswered questions, most of them have been posed by previous responses to this blog.
Feb 15, 2007 10:13 AM
Chrissy Harrison
Referral Only Realty - Longmont, CO

I'm surprised to hear Countrywide being that generous. Working in Weld county - with some of the highest foreclosure stats in the nation - I run into Countrywide REO's all the time. Before looking at an offer, they require pre-approval through their retail division. So far, I haven't even been able to get a Countrywide lender to return calls to my clients. I wish they would get this creative in our neck of the woods!

 

Feb 15, 2007 10:45 AM
James Gordon
Sibcy Cline Realtors® - Cincinnati, OH
REALTOR, PBD SFR SRS
One thing with Countrywide REO properties even if your client is preapproved they must submit to credit screening thru Countrywide. Thankfully I have a good LO that I work with at CW and can call on her just about anytime.
Feb 15, 2007 11:01 PM
Bill Tonelli
Orlando, FL

As of yesterday, Countrywide rolled out a new website listing all the Real Estate Owned properties it has. Check it out at: http://www.countrywide.com/purchase/f_reo.asp. Countrywide has over $1 Trillion dollars in its servicing portfolio and I believe the increase in sub-prime defaults has spearheaded the efforts to get these properties off the books. 

Countrywide is looking to work in conjunction with Realtor's that have at least one year experience working as an REO listing agent for other lenders, servicers, and/or institutions (e.g. Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, HUD). Shoot me an e-mail at bill_tonelli@countrywide.comif there's any interest to hear more about this program, thanks!

Apr 07, 2007 06:04 AM