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It really is the pits- Zinsco Panels

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Home Inspector with NCW Home Inspections, LLC

It really is the pits-  Zinsco Panels

 

There are documented issues with Federal Pacific Panel (FPE) and the associated issues with their breakers and how the the Stab-Lok breaker attaches to the buss. The other infamous panel is the Zinsco  (which I have written on before).

 

(Zinsco split bus mains)

 

I see a few Zinsco Panels each year, about two to three times as many as FPE’s.  Yet I physically see more issues with the Zinsco panels even though I see fewer of them overall than the other major panel manufacturers such as Cutler Hammer or Square D of the same age.

 

Here is are a couple of examples that I see with the Zinsco Panel.  Pitting and arcing damage to the bus bars, most likely a poor connection and/or corrosion on the bus. This condition seems to be more prevalent on panels with the aluminum bus bar





There are indications and some reports that the plating and/or quality of the aluminum used on the bus bar lacked good quality control which lead to issues on these bus systems. Add to this the bus design where moving the breakers up and down could wear the plating on the bus.

( Zinsco Breakers )

 

Another observation I see quite often is the breakers shifting on the bus bar. Loose connection on any electrical component is not good. A loose connection results in higher resistance which equals increased heat at the connection point. There is speculation that the clip design on the breaker may have something to do with this.

 

( Breakers shifting on bus )

 

Melting of a bus from poor connections can happen with any panel but my anecdotal observation is that it happens in a greater frequency with these panels because of the bus design and is compounded on those Zinsco panels with the aluminum bus components. Remember older panels of any make may be close to obsolescence for several reasons.

 

This is why a thorough evaluation should be performed on any of these panels whether there is any obvious signs or not.

 



Above is another reason to look because some of the issues of these breakers.



Washington State Standards of Practice requires Home Inspectors to report on electrical panel that are known to be problematic.

 

Washington State Administrative Code - WAC 308-408C-110       Electrical system.

(h) Report-  on any circuit breaker panel or subpanel known within the home inspection profession to have safety concerns



Here is a link to one insurance company document- “Risk Alert

 

Electrical panels and their associated overcurrent protection are at the heart of the electrical system and the main safety components. Though the level of risk will vary from home to home anyone with these panels should consider replacing these panels.



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Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

I am careful to simply recommend that an electrician look at the panel because of its reputation.  That is because Zinsco is VERY aggressive about defending their panels.

And I see very few of them.

Dec 21, 2014 12:40 AM
Donald Hester
NCW Home Inspections, LLC - Wenatchee, WA
NCW Home Inspections, LLC

Jay, Who defends them? If you have a link or something I would be very interested. I can only say they that they are/were pretty common here and so many of those in the electrical community here (Washington State) are pretty familiar with them.

I have seen enough issues with them here that I feel it is very prudent to recommend replacement.

Dec 21, 2014 01:28 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Zinsco!

Dec 21, 2014 05:30 AM
Donald Hester
NCW Home Inspections, LLC - Wenatchee, WA
NCW Home Inspections, LLC

Jay,

 

Zinsco is no more. It was sold in 1973 to GTE-Sylvania and discontinued.

 

Also they are still garbage and I would be more than glad to tell any former rep of that company that ; )

Dec 21, 2014 05:39 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

Then they are the defenders.  I don't have that much experience with them.  I spoke once with Daniel Friedman (Inspectapedia) and a friend from IEEE who both said to tread lightly with them.  They are said to be mean!

Dec 21, 2014 07:15 AM
Michael Dagner
Brokers Guild Classic - Denver, CO
Your Denver Homes Realty Expert

Good to know.  Very thorough. We don't see many of the Zinsco around, but lots of FPE.

Dec 21, 2014 08:27 AM
Roy Kelley
Retired - Gaithersburg, MD

Best wishes for a Very Merry Christmas!

Dec 23, 2014 11:02 PM
Donald Hester
NCW Home Inspections, LLC - Wenatchee, WA
NCW Home Inspections, LLC

Jay, We have our state behind us, and I have never ever heard of anything like that out here. Maybe its our Cowboy hats and war paint that scares them ; )

Dec 23, 2014 11:53 PM
Donald Hester
NCW Home Inspections, LLC - Wenatchee, WA
NCW Home Inspections, LLC

Roy Kelley Have a very merry Christmas. Great Pic.

Dec 23, 2014 11:53 PM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

Don, Zinsco is almost non existant out here. The last time I saw one was a few years ago. Lot's of FPE panels though. 

Dec 25, 2014 08:49 PM
Fred Sweezer Sr. CMI, LLC.
Hud Certified 203K Consultant - Long Beach, CA
HUD 203k Consultant

Zinsco is used a lot here in the Los Angeles, CA Area. 

Nov 10, 2017 03:54 AM