I had dinner with two very savvy real estate agents last night. These agents have been in the business for a long time and know their way around a short sale. They have listed and sold short sale properties. Neither of them will deal with short sales again.

I sympathize with them.  I don't want to deal with short sales either. Banks have no idea how to process these types of sales. Nor do they have the staff to deal with them even if they knew what they were doing. It's a joke. I did a number of short sales in the 90's so this is familiar territory. Last month I closed a short sale after an arduous escrow that saw my buyers ready to bail. The lender would only communicate via fax and refused to take calls even from escrow.

Lenders are just plain stupid at this point. They will not talk to a listing agent who might be able to expedite the situation. They don't use e-mail. Many will only communicate by fax. They change personnel and phone numbers and don't give out new information. They will approve a sale and then change their mind two weeks later. They will try to stiff an agent on commission after they have approved the fee. I know of agents who wound up receiving no money after working for 2-6 months on one of these sales. They believe we should work for free because they made poor choices. Then they wonder why good agents will not work these types of sales. They have no clue about local real estate markets. Yesterday one of the agents had a bank suddenly decide to go to sale rather then approve the short sale because they "knew someone would buy the property at auction for more then the short sale".... talk about out of touch.  <<CONTINUE>>

 
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19 Comments on South Bay-Beach Cities Real Estate: Short Sales Suck

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06
2008
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I agree completely.  Those of us who have been around and done short sales over the years are appaled at the inefficiencies of the banks with these transactions. 

Of course, the picture, with the boutique loan products, securitization and mortgage fraud, is quite different. 

It appears that the banks are quite kerschmunkled.

 

2:46pm • #1
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I agree completely.  Those of us who have been around and done short sales over the years are appaled at the inefficiencies of the banks with these transactions. 

Of course, the picture, with the boutique loan products, securitization and mortgage fraud, is quite different. 

It appears that the banks are quite kerschmunkled.

 

2:46pm • #2
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Kaye...

It looks like in our market we are going to have to pursue the short sales.

The B.S. is piled high and boy does it stink. Hope it doesn't rub off all over our good Company name :)

TLW...ROAR!

 

2:46pm • #3
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Hey Kaye,

Why don't you tell us how you really feel? LOL, I know what you're talking about and I share your frustration. At this point I do all that I can to AVOID them.

More importantly I do my best to educate my buyer clients how few of them actually come to fruition after waiting for weeks and/or months.

4:26pm • #4
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I tell my clients to write the offer and forget about it, sort of like entering a lottery.  Back in the 90's, I sold some short sales, but it seemed like either the agents or banks knew more about it than they do today.  Although, there were more than a few that finally got accepted 6 months after my buyers had bought something else!

I think today, most will ultimately be foreclosed.  The "sellers" never had any real equity - the bulk of them bought with 100% financing in the last 2 years, so they were really just paying expensive rent while they ruined their credit!

4:37pm • #5
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Kaye - well I couldn't have said it much better. The more I deal with short sales, or try  to, the less I like them. I don't think this is anything positive that can be said about the way they are handled by the banks. The lack of communication is appalling, and the sellers, and the buyers, are the ones who suffer.

Jeff 

10:48pm • #6
APR
07
2008
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Kaye,

Don't worry they are as bad here and I have one priced so low and it stillisn't getting calls...I believe because we have to disclose that everything ...commissions and contract is contingent on the banks approval that no one...the buyers don't want to tie up their money and the agent's don't want to wait to see if they get paid or not.

7:27am • #7
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I apologize to all for responding  so late to all of you... I'm not getting e-mail alerts.. Hmmmm

 

Lenn- Banks definitely seem to be far worse then in the past.. it's as if their common sense has simply dried up... kerschmunkled.   I love this.. am making it the word of the day...

TLW-  I'm sorry to hear that.. seems as if your market just hasn't had a break for a long time..

Lynda- Banks  don't realize that they can't afford to lose the expertise of great agents like you .. they will find themselves in even more trouble. 

Vicki- Seems like banks are just "brain dead" today.. I'm guessing that in their efforts to cut costs they fired the experienced people and the current crop doesn't have a clue

Jeff- Just makes you wonder doesn't it?  What on earth would make them think lack of communication is a smart business move...

Neal- I suspect you have hit on one of thereason people shy away.. no guarantee that anything will be looked at.. let alone approved.  Why should an agent and client spen hundreds of hours working on a deal that the bank will screw up at the last moment..

 

2:05pm • #8
APR
15
2008
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Kaye, I have felt the same about short sales. However, in the past few weeks I have been hearing some good news. At least there are a few banks who are accepting and even countering offers. Amazing. Perhaps, we are on the cusp of a turn around with these banks.  I hope so.

However, I don't work for free...

8:55pm • #9
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16
2008
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Gena- Amazing how everyone wants us to work for free.. bet the banker makes sure he gets his check..
12:48am • #10
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20
2008
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I can totally get this - I am dealing with one right now and so far so good - but we have a long ways to go before closing
3:16pm • #11
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Thesa-Good Luck.. I'll holdpositive thoughts..
7:11pm • #12
MAY
20
2008
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Short sales really do take a lot more time. I have a listing that is now in its 4th escrow. 2 buyers walked after a 30 day wait to hear from the bank...and the other lost the loan they thought they could get and the last one...decided to buy a tv and lost the credit rating. Not my buyers....

Great images....

2:16pm • #13
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Lynne,

I shouldn't laugh but sounds so familiar..I had a guy who decided to take out a loan to buy a car..he couldn't believe the bank would go back and check his credit again before close of escrow..

11:43pm • #14
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Kaye,

Ain't it the truth!  Mama!

Mike in Tucson

11:54pm • #15
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21
2008
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Mike,

No one knows better then you how tough these can be..

9:30pm • #16
JUN
20
2008
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Kaye,
I agree with you in many things that you wrote, Lenders are stupid? Hm... well, CEO's or Lender's Ownders are negligent, they are so billionare that they do not care about what is going on behind the short sale process with their staff and managers.

There are many negligent staff in some lenders who does not work very well, as the blog that I wrote that Washington Mutual is the worst lender to work with Short Sales, because the employess get paid on a salary basis they believe that they do not need to work hard to save money to the lender.

12:14am • #18
JUL
12
2008

Hi Kaye, just wanted to stop by your blog and say Hi, and to thank you for adding as an associate!  Hope all is going well for you.

I have never done a Short-sale in my 21 years of being a Realtor--and will never!  Sometimes that brings false hopes to people who think that they will be getting off easy---in my are most short sales are turing in to REO's---very sad---but it was to be expected!

Take care

9:05am • #19
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Hi Aida- Even though the media makes it seem as if the entire market is short sales or REO's the truth is much different.. There are a number of agents who  never deal with them becuase there are few in their local market.  Thansk for visiting.

11:30am • #20

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