I read a post today by one of my favorite bloggers here on AR, Janet Guilbrault.  Her post was called, "Shattered Dreams, Wasted Time:  The Shattered Dreams Of The 20 Something Mortgage Broker" looked at the exodus of the young mortgage brokers from our business from a different angle that I had ever looked at it.

Personally, I've pretty much had a problem with these guys (and gals) since they first started showing up on the scene in the early to mid nineties.  While I guess that I technically fit the term back in the late 80's when I firstsalt mine migrated to the mortgage business from real estate (I was 26 years old), I had paid my dues by listing and selling real estate for 4 years.  I also had an educational background in finance and economics.  So, becoming a "Loan Officer" made a certain amount of sense for me.

My first years in the mortgage business were lean ones.  I earned a living, but that was about it.  Most of my time and effort was spent developing a referral base and learning my trade.  As time went on, I made progress towards becoming a professional loan officer and was rewarded by making more money.

The First Wave

Then the first wave of refinances hit.  All of a sudden being a loan officer was THE thing to be.  If you weren't around during that period it's actually kind of hard to describe how it was.  Pandemonium?  A mad house?  Completely nuts?  Yeah, those terms might give you a taste of what it was like.

on a gurneyProcessors being taken out on gurneys.  Fist fights over chairs in a waiting room.  Payoff requests taking 30 days to be received.  These were all things that I witnessed during this first wave.  To say that the industry was unprepared is an understatement.  I personally had over 100 loan applications in process at one time!  If I had ever made a lock without having to pay a "pare-off" penalty, I would have made a fortune!

If you were a loan officer at this time I can almost bet that you also woke up at least once from a dead sleep "taking" a loan application in a dream.  Am I right?

Anyway, suffice it to say that it was indeed nuts and there were a lot of people making a lot of money in a field that was loosely regulated at best.  That's when the 20 somethings started showing up.

Feeding Frenzey

The first time I noticed them I was at a mortgage banking function and I happened to be standing next to a group of them by the bar (where else would I be???).  I took note because these guys were so young.  I mean, I wasn't ancient myself, but up until this point I had pretty much always been one of the younger guys in the business here in St. Louis.

They stood there with their spiked up hair and ill fitting suits and that's when I heard one of them say something that until this day has tarnished my opinion of this particular species of shark....um, I mean loan officer.  I heardGreat White Shark Out of The Water the one guy bragging to another one how he "took" this little old lady for 8 points!

I hadn't meant to ease drop, but what this guy was saying had caught my attention.  He went on to say that the lady had misplaced a house payment and had clicked a 30 day late on her mortgage.  His underwriter had approved the deal, but she didn't know this and further more, she was afraid that it was going to cause her to be turned down.  This young hammerhead took advantage of the situation and told her that he would have to charge her a higher interest rate AND that she would have to pay 5 points to get the loan.  Not knowing any better, the lady took the deal.

I was flabbergasted!  How could anyone be so unethical?  Well, for all I know this kid was probably one of the young hot shots who went on to create the sub-prime mortgage market, but at that particular time I remembered taking note of how greedy some loan officers could be.  I vowed to never be that way.

As The Waves Rolled In

As the waves of refinances rolled in I noticed more and more of these young sharks prowling the waters.  With the advent of the sub-prime mortgage market the levees broke and soon the entire industry was awash in these guys.  I knew one kid who went from being an assistant waiter at a fancy restaurant to owning a mortgage company in his first year in the business!  One car dealer here in town got signed up to do mortgages having never done one before.

As Time Moved On

More and more of these folks gravitated towards the business.  It didn't take much to qualify.  Even big banks and mortgage banking companies were recruiting these guys and as Janet put it, "the bank rep would price it and the processor would close it".  

One of the things that was odd about this time was that a good number of real estate agents weren't aware of the booming number of loan officers because for the most part these young guns couldn't be bothered with calling on real estate agents.  There was simply too much money to be made hanging out in the office feeding off of the phones.

When the first lull came and the refinances started to dry up, it was then that these guys started going out into the real estate offices.  I remember one agent who described it to me this way, she said,

"When one person has their nose up your butt, that can feel kind of fun.  When two people have their noses up your butt, that's still fun...maybe even kinky!  When 27 people have their noses up your butt, then it becomes a pain in the ass!" 

Just when I thought things would be getting back to "normal", sub prime became the thing.  This entire new market made it possible for these guys to stick around.  Not to only "stick around" but it also gave them an entirely new group of people to take advantage of!

The Silver Lining

Which brings us to today.  Sub prime is gone.  We've got a refinance market going, but a lot of people don't qualify due to tightening requirements and suppressed home prices.  A lot of these 20 somethings...some of which are now getting into their late 30's...are leaving the business.

Like Janet, I hate to see some of them go.  But for the most part, their leaving the business is the one silver lining that I can find in the entire credit/housing crises.  

Maybe now that these folks are going to go back to college or back to selling used cars or whatever they end up doing, at least they won't be acting as loan officers.  Maybe the industry can learn from it's mistakes of the past and make being a loan officer back into something to be proud of.

 

R.B. "Bob" Mitchell

ValueList Real Estate Services, Inc. 

 

6 Comments on Good Bye To All The Young Sharks....Don't Let The Door Hit You On the Way Out!

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07
2008
The same thing can be said for the real estate market.  When the waves started to hit, there was a record number of students enrolled to get their real estate licenses.  The school couldn't keep up! 
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Tootles! Don't let the revolving door hit you in your Banana Republic Suit pants!
2:25pm • #2

Industries with low barriers to entry and high income potential will always be susceptible to this type of ebb and flow. Fortunately, I can help steer my clients to good, reliable and ethical mortgage brokers - though they don't always take my advice and sometimes get "bit".

2:31pm • #3
Bob,  GREAT POST!  I started in the mortgage world about 3 years ago and I was only 23.  I got to see about a year of the boom then all came crashing down.  I always vowed to never put anyone into a horrible position, expecially taking 8 points (crazy), and never have.  I have been able to deal with the forever changing market as I was never fully engulfed completely in the sub-prime mess.  I have seen LO's that started 3 years before me that could not compete with change and have left the business to further other options.  I am now one of the top leading LO's in our company and vow to be one of the best in the Nation as almost 100% of loans closed this year and last were referalls.  Only the strong will survive!  Thanks for the post! 
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Bob, I loved this blog because I have lived through it as a real estate agent.  I learned, way back in the early years of real estate, how to qualify my clients with either an FHA, VA or conventional loan.  I could do it myself, find out what they could afford and match them with a property.

All of a sudden, there were so many loans that I couldn't say yay or nay on whether they could buy.  I remember one young man with no job saying he wanted to buy a house with one of the no document loans.  I confess I didn't take him seriously.  Guess what?  He bought a house successfully and it wasn't from me.  There were the youngsters in our offices (I love that up the ____statement in your blog!) saying that they could take care of the ones with bad credit. 

That time is when we started having to say to our clients, "Go see the mortgage broker and see what you can do and then we'll look at property."  Personally, I'd like to go back to having fewer and more honest and ethical mortgage people.  I'd like to be able to be familiar with certain loans and qualify the people myself.  Very good points you've made.

3:04pm • #5
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2008
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Christopher:  You're right, but the biggest difference is that real estate has always been this way.  When I got my first mortgage banking job I had to go through 3 interviews before I was hired.  For my second job....and at this point I was already a producing loan officer.....I also had 3 interviews including one with a senior VP who flew in to interview me.....Boy, did times change!  I do think that the number of real estate agents is going to diminish too....thanks for the comment.

Lyn:  To the ones who were scam artists, I definately agree!  As Jacob points out, not all of the "youngsters" were scum.  I do feel for those who got hurt in the downturn (myself included).  Thank you for your comment!

Katie:  Personally, in both real estate and mortgage banking, I think that the barriers to entry need to be raised.  Not just to protect the income of those of us in it already...though I wouldn't mind that...but to make sure that a better grade of folks get into the business and that they are better trained before they are let loose on the public.  Thank you!

Jacob:  Thank you for commenting and being so positive.  The cream does rise to the top and when the market does turn back...and it will....those of us left standing will reap the benefits.  Best of success to you!

Barbara:  Don't feel bad about not being able to keep up!  While for the past 13 years I've been doing both, the sheer number of programs and the fact that sub prime had sooooo many variations on the theme..made it difficult for me to keep up with.  It did get to the point where they were doing some ridiculous loans and we had to look at every single borrower.  I can only think of a few times where we couldn't at least make a counter offer to the borrower with SOME kind of loan to get them into the property!

Also, thanks for saying that you loved the noses up the butt story.  I called that agent the other day and told her that I used her story and she got a kick out of it.  Honest to God though, when that first wave of loan officers came out of their offices because the refinances were drying up, didn't it seem like you couldn't sit at your desk for an hour without a rate sheet being put in front of you and some kid with spiked up hair smiling at you  (sorry Jacob;0).  Thanks for your comment...I truly appreciate it.

 

Bob Mitchell

ValueList Real Estate Services, Inc.   

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