"S"-traps, "P"-traps, "R"-traps---what is the big deal?  With the exception of the "R"-trap we are talking plumbing----I'll leave the Rat traps for another "year" sunsmile.  There are oodles of different kinds of traps.  In modern homes we are primarily talking about "P"-traps.  S-traps were more common in older buildings where the plumbing was added post construction and the walls weren't torn apart to install drains inside the walls.  In modern installations we want to see P-traps. 

     Every once in a while a homeowner will install a drain that essentially resembles an S-trap by "function"---if not by design.  In this first picture the drain functions as an S-trap.  Follow the drain shape----see how it forms an "S"?  The issue with an S-trap is that the velocity of water when it goes over the last hill and down the drain can result in the plug of water pulling the water out of the trap and down the drain with it.  These traps often go glug-glug-glug when they drain.  Siphoned traps are not good because they can allow sewer gases into the home----and as mentioned in a previous blog we try to minimize the similarities between our bathrooms and our outhouses.trap

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

    

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

     I don't want to get into the technical details of proper drain installation and what else is problematic with this installation---I just want to talk about S-traps and P-traps.  The chrome trap pictured is "technically" a P-trap, but because it is installed into a 90 degree elbow instead of a "T" it will function as an S-trap and siphoning is a possibility.  What a "T" does is allow for the connection of the drain "vent" which allows air to be pulled down the drain with the water instead of the water that is supposed to stay in the trap.

     Often times we have situations where we want to install a drain but installation of the vent is too difficult or not practical.  Enter----"The Air-Admittance Valve", or AAV.  This device allows us to introduce air to the drain without having to run a pipe up through the roof.  For a long time these devices were not approved by the plumbing codes.  Now they are approved and accepted by most jurisdictions.  This next picture shows a typical AAV installed in new plumbing.trap

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

     In this installation the "T" for the sink drain P-trap is hidden in the wall and the AAV is connected to it but left accessible under the sink. Visualize how when the sink drains and enters the T in the wall, the AAV allows air to enter the drain.  These Air Admittance Valves must always be accessible.  All AAV's have a flap that keeps water and gasses from backing out of the vent.

 

 

Charles Buell 

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8 Comments on This is NOT a trap!

hhhhmmm, Interesting. I've never seen an AAV before or even heard of them. Won't they allow sewer gas to come out?

Sean Allen

04/08/2008 09:04 AM by International Financing Solutions


INTERESTING. THANKS FOR SHARING. YOU LEARN SOMETHING NEW EVERY DAY!

04/08/2008 09:15 AM by Nathan Diones (RE/MAX Marquee Partners)


Charles, your posts are always informative, and I hope more people read them, and even though I have been reading them, I did not know about the messages. I guess that I should use my cursor more often.

04/08/2008 11:00 AM by Frank Schulte-Ladbeck (Frank Schulte-Ladbeck Professional Real Estate Inspections)


Sean, they are pretty cool.  If they are functioning properly there should be no odors or leaking.

Nathan, thanks for stopping by.

Frank, AHHH, those devilish hidden messagessunsmile

04/08/2008 02:06 PM by Charles Buell, Seattle, WA, Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com)


Good blog Charlie. Makes it all clear. Traps can come in a multitude of configurations some quite confusing. Lots of people figure, long as it fits and does not leak -- then it is fine.

04/08/2008 04:25 PM by Steven L. Smith, Bellingham, Wa. Home Inspector (King of the House Home Inspection)


Charles, You beat me to the punch! I was going to write a post on AAV's but oh well, Good post my friend. I am still leery of those chrome traps though. I wish that they would do away with them altogether.

04/08/2008 06:08 PM by Michael Thornton - Nashville, TN area Home Inspector (Complete Home Inspections, Inc.)


Great info again Charles.  I agree with Michael, I don't like the chrome traps either.  They are way to expensive for the value, and they can spring a leak at any moment.

04/08/2008 07:52 PM by David Holden DRH Home Inspection Akron, Ohio Summit (DRH Home Inspection Akron, Ohio Summit County Home Inspector)


Steve, there are traps and pitfalls everywhere:)

Michael, sorry about that---do one anyway---I am sure you can add something

David, on the Planet Charles---there would be no chrome traps---much better uses of both brass and chrome----bring back chrome bumpers!

04/08/2008 11:41 PM by Charles Buell, Seattle, WA, Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com)


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